OR - Nine killed in Umpqua Community College shooting, Roseburg, 1 Oct 2015 - #2

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Here is the complete text of Mathew Downing's account of the shooting. This poor kid will never be the same. And someone's only comment on his statement is that he looks like the shooter!?! Huh!?!

I think his final words are worth noting. He's a wise young man.

The final thing I want to add is that I and everybody else should get from this is that any day could be your last. You don't want anybody's last memory of you to be a bad one so everybody needs to take it upon themselves to just be a lot nicer to people."
BBM

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...ownings_statement_on_o.html#incart_river_home
 
Don't know how it could be considered a surprise since msm has been reporting on the planned visit all week.

It appears that the ones he was meeting with didn't know till the last minute, maybe they were in the middle of things, like a funeral when they were contacted about the meeting. That's the way I took it. jmo idk

The White House did not provide details of Mr. Obama’s plans while he is in Roseburg.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/us/obama-to-meet-families-of-oregon-shooting-victims.html?_r=0
 
THIS IS ROSEBURG AT ITS FINEST!!!!

Led by student body president Carson Murphy, the group raised $3,000 in two days after the shooting. They used the money to buy 500 T-shirts in the Kelly Green colors of UCC. The shirts – the state of Oregon with UCC in block letters and a heart signifying Roseburg – were passed out to fans with the option to give a donation. Those donations -- $3,043.80 and counting -- would be passed on to the victims' families.

Coach Thurman Bell to his team:
"Men,'' Bell says. "I'm tired of all the talk. There's been a lot of issues we've had to deal with, a lot of issues our community has had to deal with. Those people out there came here to have fun and forget. They want something positive. That's our job!''He is pacing, pointing, and veins in his neck are bulging.
"You don't get another chance. We have to get that crowd into it, and the way we do that is being like a family. We have to do everything together!'' Bell screamed. "I want you to come back in here and look in that mirror and say you gave everything. Now go get it!''

Lifelong Roseburg resident and reporter Rachelle Carter:
Carter said there is also a silent donor in town who has hired someone to patrol grocery stores. At a market in nearby Oakland, a cashier finished scanning the contents of a customers' cart then handed the customer a note saying the groceries were paid for. At the bottom of the note, in block letters: UCC STRONG."Nobody knows who it is, but we hear of it happening," Carter said. "I can't even keep up with all the stories now. But that's who we are: We are real tight and we want the victims, the families of the victims and the people affected by the shooting to know we have their backs.''

BBM

http://www.oregonlive.com/roseburg-...he_silence_ended_in.html#incart_story_package
 
I would say that given the political climate in the area, the President's security comes before notifying individuals in advance of his specific schedule. I don't see anything to criticize here. Why not assume that he did the best he could under the circumstances in the time available? Why not be grateful for the kindness he showed those who were able to meet with him? Look for the good.
JMO
 
It appears that the ones he was meeting with didn't know till the last minute, maybe they were in the middle of things, like a funeral when they were contacted about the meeting. That's the way I took it. jmo idk

The White House did not provide details of Mr. Obama’s plans while he is in Roseburg.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/us/obama-to-meet-families-of-oregon-shooting-victims.html?_r=0

From the link:

"On Friday, Mr. Obama will once again seek to become the nation’s consoler in chief as he travels to a community racked with grief over a mass shooting."

How many more times is he going to have to do this for us?

Active shooter incidents are becoming more frequent—the first seven years of the study show an average of 6.4 incidents annually, while the last seven years show 16.4 incidents annually.

Source:
FBI Releases Study on Active Shooter Incidents
Covers 2000-2013 Time Frame
 
I wonder if working on hate and paranoia would be a good step as that seems to be at the root of a lot of the problems.
 
I would say that given the political climate in the area, the President's security comes before notifying individuals in advance of his specific schedule. I don't see anything to criticize here. Why not assume that he did the best he could under the circumstances in the time available? Why not be grateful for the kindness he showed those who were able to meet with him? Look for the good.
JMO

I agree with you, completely. It was nice to read about the people who are trying to help the community, that is what is needed, for the community to come together. I've been so saddened reading about the people complaining and saying such rude things about the President. Nobody is saying you have to like him, but showing respect for someone is really not that hard to do. Respect of so many things, has taken a backseat, it's embarrassing to see such rudeness and disrespect.
 
Not to over simplify or excuse but this is where it most often begins.

Cool Kids by Echosmith

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Not to over simplify or excuse but this is where it most often begins.

Cool Kids by Echosmith

[video=youtube;SSCzDykng4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCzDykng4g[/video]

Very nice. Everyone wants love and acceptance. Starts in infancy or maybe in the womb.
 
Eighteen-year-old Quinn Cooper was a big guy at 6-foot-2-inches, with size 14 shoes. Family friends say he could deadlift 400 pounds.

He loved the music of Louie Armstrong, and was pursuing theater at Umpqua Community College. Family members say Cooper loved to dance and perform voice acting. Cooper’s father, James E. Cooper, described him as a “wonderful son who loved life.”

Rest in Peace, Quinn.

More at the link: http://www.opb.org/news/article/quinn-cooper-a-gentle-giant-missed-by-many/
 
Lucero Alcarez had just turned 19 before she died.

Her family describes her as smart: She had reportedly received a full scholarship to Umpqua Community College to study pediatric nursing.

Family members also said she was kind – that she’d take the time to play with younger members of her family, even when she was busy with schoolwork.

Rest in Peace, Lucero.

More at link: http://www.opb.org/news/article/rem...s-you-you-can-paint-the-sky-with-your-beauty/
 
Very nice. Everyone wants love and acceptance. Starts in infancy or maybe in the womb.

This is a very nice video. Thank you Standreid for posting it. Love and acceptance should start in infancy or earlier. And so should teaching our children to be kind and compassionate to others. We need to help them be empathetic toward those who are not "cool." That might go a little way toward dissipating the anger of those who end up killing classmates and coworkers. Unfortunately, there will always be a few who nurture resentment to the point of hatred, no matter how well they are treated. It's a complex issue without a single simple solution.
JMO
 
Kim Saltmarsh Dietz was 59 years old, and was excited about returning to school.

“She called me last month. She said Matt, I’m really happy. I’m getting straight As. I’m doing well,” said Matt Kinney, her half-brother. “She had started down a new path.”

An accident had interrupted Dietz’s education decades before. She was inspired to return to college by her daughter, Shannon, who is also a student at Umpqua Community College.

Saltmarsh Dietz was in the room next door to the English class where the massacre started.

“She went out toward the room to check on the welfare of others,” Kinney said. She was shot twice.

Kinney doesn’t know for sure what prompted his sister to leave her classroom and walk toward the gunman, but he suspects it was love and concern for her daughter on campus.

At age 18, she saw a riderless horse wandering in the street and tried to help it. Saltmarsh Deitz was kicked in the head, and went into a coma.

She eventually recovered, but dealt with complications from her brain injury for several years.

Rest in Peace, Kim.

More at link: http://www.opb.org/news/article/mama-bear-kim-saltmarsh-dietz-loved-her-daughter-deeply/
 
Interesting map showing how laws have changed over the last 3 decades.

Gun violence decreases while gun rights increase:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
 
Friends describe Larry Levine as a quiet man who loved rivers, his fishing buddies and the blues. Levine was an English instructor at Umpqua Community College. He even looked the part of a professor, with a grizzled gray beard, and sometimes smoking a pipe.

In the fall, he would disappear into the forest for long stretches. Then he’d show up at his friend’s homes with bags of wild mushrooms as gifts.

Friend Joe Howell: “I just would like his legacy to be how much he loved the river, fly fishing and its environs and everything connected to it. “He was jovial and always joking and laughing. I never heard him say an unkind word about anybody. He had a big heart.”

In an essay in Fly Fisherman magazine Levine described a moment while fishing, eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich on a warm day.

He wrote:”Standing in the sun overlooking the river, I think there has never been a more delicious moment.”

Rest in Peace, Larry.

Much more about Larry at the link:

http://www.opb.org/news/article/roseburg-remembering-lawrence-levine/

Thank you LaLouve, for posting all of this information about the victims. Each one of these people were unique and loving people, who gave so much to everyone around them. Although I have never met Larry, his writings echo the spirit of the Oregon rivers that so many of us grew up around. From dawn til dusk, my summers were always filled with fishing and swimming in these beautiful waters. I can remember learning many of life's lessons while being out there.

From what I have read about Larry Levine, is that he was a fly fishing purist. His writings reflected well beyond just fly fishing. He also spoke about his philosophy of the beautiful waters. His life and writings remind me that of David Duncan's, who wrote "The River Why". Duncan was a graduate of Reynolds High School back in the late 60's(same school district as last years shootings). In the movie and the book, The River Why, the father is a purist fly fisherman and the mother is just the opposite. She has no problem using bait. https://youtu.be/AV5o7L4_DYU
Gus, their son, is caught between both philosophies and shares his own journey throughout the movie, reflecting on his own thoughts about philosophy, fishing and life. The same "spirituality of fishing" that Duncan shares, seems to have shined brightly in Larry Levine's life and stories, too.

The Oregonian tells a story about Larry, which life seemed to imitate art. The duality of fishing methods, became a reality, in a story told by Larry's friend.

Schaffer, who fished and tended bar with Larry in Grants Pass, told the Oregonian:

"Levine was a purist about fishing. Bait was below him," Schaffer said. "He wasn't squeamish. It was his ethics."He also had a competitive streak. One morning, the two in Schaffer's 15-foot drift boat, Levine watched as Schaffer pulled up fish after fish using worms. Schaffer caught about 25 steelhead while Levine had nothing. After awhile, Schaffer noticed that Levine had switched to night crawlers."
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/10/oregon_college_shooting_lawren.html

Larry belonged to a fly-fishing conservation group called The Steamboaters. WW2 veteran Frank Moore was a founding member of this group, which started back in the late 1960's, to protect the beautiful North Umpqua River. Frank taught a friend of mine how to fly-fish many years ago. Last year I contributed to Frank's Indiegogo fund to help create the movie "Mending The Line". I am sure that Larry and Frank had a lot in common with the art of fly fishing and protecting the beautiful North Umpqua River. I see both of their names in the Steamboaters newsletter.

Here is a video with Frank Moore (Pioneer of Steamboaters) showing fly-fishing on the beautiful North Umpqua River.
https://youtu.be/YcoFFzPXv4w

Frank Moore's "Mending the Line" trailer
https://vimeo.com/78837964

After seeing how beautiful the waters of the North Umpqua River are for fly fishing, you can see how these experiences heavily influenced Larry's writings. In the Summer 2013 issue of The Steamboater Whistle, Larry takes the reader on a poetic journey, telling about the beautiful North Umpqua River and the lessons that it taught him.

Larry writes:

…."Over a period of time, an eon ago, the river whispered to me so softly as to be inaudible. Little by little, its voice grew louder, until I could decipher the message. Much akin to the lyrics of The Band's song, "The River Hymn," it called, "Son, you ain't never seen yourself / No crystal mirror can show it clear, come over here instead." It made me an offer to which I put up no resistance, and I've been here ever since. I like that when it addresses me--and address me it does--it always does so as "Son." It parents; it taught me to walk its rocky, slippery bottom, taught me to walk its banks; it taught me a language I work to understand, and it gave me hope that eventually my voice would be accepted into the choir that sang the language that I alone could not. I wasn't born to it; I'm adopted, and being here only gets better the more here I become…"

Then he finishes by sharing his visions of the river, located below his cabin:

"Today, I stood where the wide ledge below my house meets the deep part of the
river. Where the river ran over it, the ledge was the color of wet sand with a patina of moss green highlights. It was ninety degrees; I was summoning the courage to jump in. As I gazed into the depths, I saw my shadow and rays of light emanating around my silhouette. The light danced to the rhythm of the breeze on the water; it was all in one and magical, and that was what I dove into."

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs159/1110504438198/archive/1114239897066.html

Rest in peace Larry Levine! May your spirit carry on, in the people and on the beautiful waters that you loved so much!

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Sasquatch, thanks so much for sharing more about Larry Levine and the rivers of the Oregon Cascades. As one who has fished those waters too, I can relate to the truthfulness and soulfulness of his writings.
 

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