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Yeah i think that's what happened.
It's made more confusing because there doesn't seem to be any footage of other episode's anywhere.

Which is strange, as the logic again is if they got permission to air the first show with her in it, why not the rest? And if she is in the rest, why are there no videos or even people talking about the other episodes?
Uness they spliced her out?

Something does not add up. But maybe someone can email the producer, or wait till one of the SA WSers come back.

Thanks again.
 
Which is strange, as the logic again is if they got permission to air the first show with her in it, why not the rest? And if she is in the rest, why are there no videos or even people talking about the other episodes?
Uness they spliced her out?

Something does not add up. But maybe someone can email the producer, or wait till one of the SA WSers come back.

Thanks again.

It is strange, and you'd think if Reeva had confided a kiss of some sort to one of her friends they would suspect that could have set him off and been called to testify?? All speculation at this point.

This page gives all the names of the contestants:
http://www.tvsa.co.za/showinfo.asp?showid=6459

You could Google her name with each guy name to see what comes up, perhaps adding in "kiss" to see if there's any info about it.
 
Thanks.

If she did 9 (or 8?) more shows, it implies,that when the 1 was shown shortly after her death, the producers spliced in her farewell kiss etc. at the end of the first show.
Perhaps that is why it is confusing?

The farewell kiss is pretty poignant because in the movie "Why Did Oscar Pistorius Kill Our Daughter?", June Steenkamp talks about how she thinks that kiss was for her...was Reeva saying goodbye to her. Sad!!!!!
 
To be honest, I find it hard to believe you'd have any recall of where something as mundane as a magazine rack was if you walked into a room to a scene like that. How many people see someone who's just been shot to death. He'd just done it to the woman he said he was deeply in love with. He stopped screaming though and when Nel asked him why he said "What was the point" or words to that effect!!! My god, if ever there was a time to scream it was then.

Speaking of the magazine rack. How does OP know where it was ? Oh yeah I forgot. He could see it through the crack in the door.
 
The Final Word on "Did Reeva Film More Episodes Of Tropika"?


The link below is from the shows producer, Samantha Moon, who told People:

"Every episode that she is in, [bold by Shane] every frame that she so ably dominates — shines with her light and her laughter echoes in every conversation, and we want to share these special memories with the rest of South Africa."

There are also some new(?) info on such things as a bad date;

"E! Online reported that in her final interview, Reeva Steenkamp was asked if she had a bad dating experience, and she replied that she "once had to get a restraining order against a guy:

""I went on one date with him and on the way home to drop me off, we had to 'pop by his place to let the dogs out' as he'd forgotten. He didn't own any pets and after I told him there wouldn't be a second date, he moved back home with his parents because ‘his house smelled of my perfume.' Psycho."

it's from just afer the shooting and some things are incorrect.
http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/02/reeva-steenkamp-oscar-pistorius-hot-facts/


I also read from the direct source that the interview was said to be just hours before the shooting.

ETA: So she definitely filmed more episodes.[Where are they?]
Note that the above implies that Reeva did not have this long, abusive relationship that is bandied about on the net. Just one "Psycho" date...before Oscar...
 
No one else was present that night so whatever words RS and OP exchanged including their alleged fight for an hour, are and will remain unknown. OP lies so we can't trust him and poor RS is dead.
 
Thank you for that video! I didn't really want to watch it, but I did. He didnt really lift the dancer from the floor though, she literally kicked her weight up in to his arms as he was standing erect and straight, both times.

Watching him try to dance he looks very awkward and unstable. I think that it is wrong to believe that he would be able to easily lift Reeva's weight from the floor. He is literally standing on two stilts. Nest described that OP first pulled Reeva's body (torso) up in to a vertical position and then had to get the rest of her weight off of the floor so that she could be cradled in his arms. Even with his upper body strength it had to be very hard to get her off of the floor and cradled in his arms in a fully erect standing position. Obviously he pulled it off, but I give deference to it having been very hard to do without Reeva (the dancer) helping to lift her weight off of the ground. :twocents:

BBM

I agree - OP looked very stiff in that dance video. IMO, he was a human equivalent of the pole during a pole dance. He added nothing to his dance partner's steps - if anything, he was a distraction. The tango is a lover's dance that should portray an elegant, fiery passion between two lovers.

It's painfully obvious that OP cannot dance. His dance partner led him through all his graceless steps.

IMO, the dance video highlights OP's general attitude: he believes he is the center of the universe and everything & everyone else revolves around him.

I also agree that even with his prosthetic legs and even with his upper body strength, it may have been difficult for him to lift Reeva from the floor. Reeva's body was not participating in the lifting.

The thing that causes me to be suspicious about his call to Stander to help him lift/carry Reeva is that he called Stander before he called Netcare (before he was allegedly advised by Netcare to bring Reeva to the hospital himself).

Prior to calling Netcare, OP had not yet received any instruction from Netcare, let alone any advice from them telling him to personally transport a multiple gunshot-wounded, gravely injured victim to the hospital.

I can't shake my suspicion that OP may have called Stander for assistance of another kind and Stander may have turned him down, leaving OP with no option but to lift & carry Reeva himself - to who knows where. If so, I can envision OP finding the strength/ability to pick Reeva up, despite how difficult it may have been.

1. OP first called Stander (allegedly for help lifting/carrying Reeva) before he called Netcare.

2. OP then called Netcare, but claims he can't remember what he said to the dispatcher. OP claims the dispatcher told him to transport Reeva himself.

3. Security guard Baba calls OP. OP tells Baba "everything is fine".

4. OP then carries Reeva downstairs to discover several witnesses in his foyer/on his doorstep (Stander, Clarice, Baba, and another security guard, soon followed by Dr. Stipp).

5. According to OP's testimony, Stander tells OP to put Reeva down onto the floor. Prior to Dr. Stipp coming to the scene, towels, garbage bags, rope, and tape are collected in an effort to presumably staunch the blood flow. Yet, curiously, no one at the scene phones for medical help until after Dr. Stipp's arrival & insistence on phoning an ambulance, despite the fact that Reeva is lying on OP's floor with gunshot wounds to her hip, arm and head.

6. OP tells witnesses that he shot Reeva, mistaking her for an intruder.

During security guard Baba's testimony, he stated (paraphrasing) that the morning Reeva was shot was his "last night". I can't help but wonder if he meant that his employment was terminated, for whatever reason, after the fatal shooting of Reeva at OP's house.

To sum it up: OP was obviously able (despite the possible difficulty) to lift/carry Reeva without Stander's assistance. Therefore, I'm suspicious as to why OP would have called Stander to allegedly ask him to help lift/carry Reeva.

Stander's wife (overheard by Dr. Stipp) said "I hope this doesn't get out to the media". IMO, this one statement says a lot about the type of people OP made his first phone call to that fateful morning.
 
5. According to OP's testimony, Stander tells OP to put Reeva down onto the floor. Prior to Dr. Stipp coming to the scene, towels, garbage bags, rope, and tape are collected in an effort to presumably staunch the blood flow. Yet, curiously, no one at the scene phones for medical help until after Dr. Stipp's arrival & insistence on phoning an ambulance, despite the fact that Reeva is lying on OP's floor with gunshot wounds to her hip, arm and head.

Just to address one point from your post.

I wonder if OP mentioned to them that he had called Netcare, and they at first assumed that help was on the way. I can only try to imagine the horror and chaos of that scene.
 
Just to address one point from your post.

I wonder if OP mentioned to them that he had called Netcare, and they at first assumed that help was on the way. I can only try to imagine the horror and chaos of that scene.

Great question Cherwell!

I remember Dr. Stipp testified that he asked Stander if an ambulance had been called. Dr. Stipp stated that Stander told him "no".

Afterward, Dr. Stipp called a hospital, was instructed by that hospital to phone for an ambulance, and then Dr. Stipp did so.

If I believe Dr. Stipp's testimony (which I do), then no one currently at the scene believed an ambulance had been called or had phoned for an ambulance themselves prior to Dr. Stipp arriving.
 
Great question Cherwell!

I remember Dr. Stipp testified that he asked Stander if an ambulance had been called. Dr. Stipp stated that Stander told him "no".

Afterward, Dr. Stipp called a hospital, was instructed by that hospital to phone for an ambulance, and then Dr. Stipp did so.

If I believe Dr. Stipp's testimony (which I do), then no one currently at the scene believed an ambulance had been called or had phoned for an ambulance themselves prior to Dr. Stipp arriving.

I know, but as I say, it would have been chaotic and horrific. I'm just trying to imagine how the Standers might feel in those circumstances .... possibly initially believing that an ambulance was on the way from Netcare. Then a feeling of relief when an actual doctor (Stipp) arrives and takes charge .... Only then might one start to think more clearly.
 
Excuse me, this is a little bit off topic from the current discussion. I am confused and maybe someone familiar with cricket bats can assist. Are these photos of the opposite sides of the cricket bat? If so, how did the blood get on the other side?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...cache/gallery_780x583/2014/04/01/img_0826.jpg


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...rivatives/article_1200/pistorius1n-13-web.jpg

link

The date on the 1st pic is also troubling.
They waited 14 days to take a picture of the bat--or the other side of it?

Should have been done on the 14th.
 
Excuse me, this is a little bit off topic from the current discussion. I am confused and maybe someone familiar with cricket bats can assist. Are these photos of the opposite sides of the cricket bat? If so, how did the blood get on the other side?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...cache/gallery_780x583/2014/04/01/img_0826.jpg


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...rivatives/article_1200/pistorius1n-13-web.jpg

link
I believe the first two links are the same side. The other side is covered with signatures...you can see it in your 3rd link. Your closeup of the bat is picture 15 in the slideshow and the opposite side is picture 16.
 
No one knows yet what OP said to Netcare. All we know is that he called and the call lasted a full one minute of time. That is a long time considering that most of us didn't even believe that he said a word, much less that he described Reeva's injuries and/or her condition. He had to have said something and they responded, otherwise the call would have been just a few seconds.

OPs exchange with Baba, everything is fine, in my mind is OP knowing that Reeva was dead, he had the Standers coming, and he did not want Security in his home. Things were ugly and about to get much worse for OP, so Security was not what he wanted at that time.

The Standers? Who knows what OP said to Mr. Stander really? I think he told Mr. Stander to come and help him because he shot Reeva thinking that she was an intruder and he needed help. Help lifting her from the toilet closet would be a reasonable request and one that Mr. Stander would immediately respond to. OP said that to Dr. Stipp, he told Stipp that he had accidentally shot Reeva thinking that she was an intruder. The Standers certainly responded very quickly and tried to protect OP from others coming in to the home, IMO for the sake of privacy from people that did not need to enter. I don't see that as a bad thing. They welcomed Dr. Stipp, and they did not "order" Security to stay out of the home; Security seemed at ease that no further shooting was going to occur. Mr. Stander, though not a medical professional, was able to see that Reeva was dead the moment that he laid eyes upon her. Her mangled arm, her brains and blood covering her hair and clothes, her pale complexion and fixed eyes, she was not bleeding anymore and she was not breathing either, etc... He did not attempt CPR, and that is telling. Mr. Stander knew Reeva was dead, that is why he refused to help OP take her to the hospital and told OP to set her down.

Carise (it is not Clarise) supported her father's efforts. She told investigators though that OPs cell phone was sitting in a charger in the kitchen. That was something Nel tried to get OP to give information about, but OP did not talk about it. So I don't think that Carise took OPs phone from the house. Carise's actions of getting towels, plastic bags, rope and/or tape? I don't know, but she should probably be given the benefit of the doubt. All of those things could have been used to help Reeva if she was still alive. For example to cover the car seats, to apply a torniquet, towels and tape for bandaging; they do not have to be nefarious tools that the Standers were considering using to help OP dispose of Reeva's body. As far as I know the Standers are law abiding citizens that just happened to know OP and they responded to his call for help, as any friend or neighbor should do.

OP put on a show for Dr. Stipp though, but Stipp wasn't buying in to it and left shortly after determining that Reeva was dead.
 
Great question Cherwell!

I remember Dr. Stipp testified that he asked Stander if an ambulance had been called. Dr. Stipp stated that Stander told him "no".

Afterward, Dr. Stipp called a hospital, was instructed by that hospital to phone for an ambulance, and then Dr. Stipp did so.

If I believe Dr. Stipp's testimony (which I do), then no one currently at the scene believed an ambulance had been called or had phoned for an ambulance themselves prior to Dr. Stipp arriving.
Something's very strange about this whole ambulance debacle.

OP's testimony about when the Standers arrived.

08:51:

"When I got down to the bottom of the stairs they told me to put Reeva down and told me the ambulance was on the way. I said: 'We need to get to the hospital. We need to get to the hospital.' They said to just put her down as the ambulance was on its way," Mr Pistorius tells the court.

TWICE he says the Standers told him an ambulance was on its way - but how could it be, when OP hadn't called one, and neither had the Standers? Dr Stipp wasn't even at the house at that point, and it was he who told Stander to call an ambulance. So why did OP claim the Standers told him to put Reeva down because an ambulance was on its way? An ambulance hadn't even been called at that stage :confused:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26951686
 
No one knows yet what OP said to Netcare. All we know is that he called and the call lasted a full one minute of time. That is a long time considering that most of us didn't even believe that he said a word, much less that he described Reeva's injuries and/or her condition. He had to have said something and they responded, otherwise the call would have been just a few seconds.

OPs exchange with Baba, everything is fine, in my mind is OP knowing that Reeva was dead, he had the Standers coming, and he did not want Security in his home. Things were ugly and about to get much worse for OP, so Security was not what he wanted at that time.

The Standers? Who knows what OP said to Mr. Stander really? I think he told Mr. Stander to come and help him because he shot Reeva thinking that she was an intruder and he needed help. Help lifting her from the toilet closet would be a reasonable request and one that Mr. Stander would immediately respond to. OP said that to Dr. Stipp, he told Stipp that he had accidentally shot Reeva thinking that she was an intruder. The Standers certainly responded very quickly and tried to protect OP from others coming in to the home, IMO for the sake of privacy from people that did not need to enter. I don't see that as a bad thing. They welcomed Dr. Stipp, and they did not "order" Security to stay out of the home; Security seemed at ease that no further shooting was going to occur. Mr. Stander, though not a medical professional, was able to see that Reeva was dead the moment that he laid eyes upon her. Her mangled arm, her brains and blood covering her hair and clothes, her pale complexion and fixed eyes, not breathing, etc... He did not attempt CPR, and that is telling. Mr. Stander knew Reeva was dead, that is why he refused to help OP take her to the hospital and told OP to set her down.
Carise (it is not Clarise) supported her father's efforts. She told investigators though that OPs cell phone was sitting in a charger in the kitchen. That was something Nel tried to get OP to give information about, but OP did not talk about it. So I don't think that Carise took OPs phone from the house. Carise's actions of getting towels, plastic bags, rope and/or tape? I don't know, but she should probably be given the benefit of the doubt. All of those things could have been used to help Reeva if she was still alive. For example to cover the car seats, to apply a torniquet, towels and tape for bandaging; they do not have to be nefarious tools that the Standers were considering using to help OP dispose of Reeva's body. As far as I know the Standers are law abiding citizens that just happened to know OP and they responded to his call for help, as any friend or neighbor should do.

OP put on a show for Dr. Stipp though, but Stipp wasn't buying in to it and left shortly after determining that Reeva was dead.

~BBM

totally agree and was just about to post similar. That great minds thing again ;)
 
The date on the 1st pic is also troubling.
They waited 14 days to take a picture of the bat--or the other side of it?

Should have been done on the 14th.

I think the pics dated Feb 28 with the measuring tape were taken in the lab after the cricket bat was collected from the scene as evidence. There are other pics (that were shown in court) of the cricket bat in the bathroom that are dated Feb 14, 2013.

Lisa's blog (juror13) contains many of the evidence photos, including the dates that the crime scene photographer took them.

http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/oscar-pistorius-trial-day-11/


I believe the first two links are the same side. The other side is covered with signatures...you can see it in your 3rd link. Your closeup of the bat is picture 15 in the slideshow and the opposite side is picture 16.

I agree. Those pics show the same side of the cricket bat. One is obviously an image of the bat in the bathroom. I think the image of the bat with the measuring tape was taken 2 weeks later in the forensics lab.

Here is an image of the reverse side of the bat with the signatures:

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http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/oscar-pistorius-trial-day-11/
 
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