One thing that just hit me, rereading his account, he never saw Reeva in the 'pitch dark' bedroom but apparently had no problem locating his gun.
One thing that just hit me, rereading his account, he never saw Reeva in the 'pitch dark' bedroom but apparently had no problem locating his gun.
How does OP changing his story from going out on the balcony to not going out on the balcony work in his favour though? I honestly can't see how that would help him at all. I really don't think he lied intentionally, I just think there may have been a misunderstanding on what he actually meant in his bail application. How strong was the light on Reeva's cell phone? If it's anything like mine and someone turned it on while I was focussed/concentrating on positioning/moving a fan that was running, the light would not distract me! Sorry, it just would not! By the time he had finished positioning the fan, Reeva could already have been in the bathroom. He could have moved even slightly away from the fan and he would have heard the noise from the window opening quite clearly--it was coming from the opposite direction, wasn't it? I think there would be quite a few people who wouldn't feel the need to switch a light on to go to the bathroom. Even as a guest at someone else's place, alot of people do not switch a light on to go to the bathroom/toilet. How familiar is Reeva, with the layout of OP house, in particular the upstairs area? Had she stayed there often enough to know her way around without switching the lights on? Does anyone know?OP changed his story from going out on the balcony to not going out on the balcony. According to Nel, OP would have had to have turned slightly to put the fan where he claims he put it. If he'd have turned, he'd have seen Reeva's cell phone light (which OP said she could have used to light the way to the toilet). But Reeva knew OP was awake, so why didn't she switch the light on? Who chooses to use a cell phone as a light when there's an actual light to switch on and when your partner's already up and busy with fans and what not. Don't forget that this window-sliding frame-hitting noise OP heard above the sound of the fan (which would have been right near his face) was not acknowledged by Reeva, and she would have heard it much louder than him - and yet he didn't think it strange at all that she hadn't said 'What's that'?. His story is simply outlandish and his versions have changed with the wind.
Tha balcony light was on. Reeva is said to be on the balcony side of bed.
If he had stepped OUT ONTO the balcony, he would grab the fan and would see the bed while coming in /moving forward not backward/balcony light lighting the bedroom , his face toward the bed before closing the curtains. Improbable not seeing the bed.
Also he could not hear the alleged window noise from balcony . Improbable again. Fan was an instrument to be on the balcony but it wouldn't work.
In the testimony putting the fan in between the balcony door entrance, he is supposed to grab the fan between the curtains and he is moving inside
the alleged dark bedroom his back toward the bed and then put the fan.
There is no coming in from the lights on balcony with open curtains.
As for two fans thing ,imo he needed to create more time and movement inside busy with the fans and the jeans on the floor and covering the led light etc so as Reeva to go to the toilet inbetween and him allegedly not noticing.. :facepalm:
Does anyone have a realistic view as to why OP included the additional fan in his statement?
There have been a few suggestions that the fan/s were part of a story to give OP a reason to have his back towards the bed, and to explain that this is why he wouldn't have seen Reeva leaving the bed.
If OP has fabricated a story to include the extra fan, then I see this additional fan as a hindrance rather than a benefit.
With specific regard to OP's statement, the extra fan would make little or no difference to the time he spent on the balcony, as OP had never mentioned how long he spent on the balcony in his statement, therefore this could not be disproved. The reason I think it would be more of a hindrance is that it if OP was bringing two fans in, there is probably more opportunity that he could have turned round and spotted Reeva, thus making his explanation more, not less, difficult.
Any thoughts on this?
*I'm not entirely sure why any fans needed to be included at all as the whole scenario could have been explained away without introducing these.
That's a separate issue though. It would be interesting to hear views on the additional fan.
How does OP changing his story from going out on the balcony to not going out on the balcony work in his favour though? I honestly can't see how that would help him at all. I really don't think he lied intentionally, I just think there may have been a misunderstanding on what he actually meant in his bail application. How strong was the light on Reeva's cell phone? If it's anything like mine and someone turned it on while I was focussed/concentrating on positioning/moving a fan that was running, the light would not distract me! Sorry, it just would not! By the time he had finished positioning the fan, Reeva could already have been in the bathroom. He could have moved even slightly away from the fan and he would have heard the noise from the window opening quite clearly--it was coming from the opposite direction, wasn't it? I think there would be quite a few people who wouldn't feel the need to switch a light on to go to the bathroom. Even as a guest at someone else's place, alot of people do not switch a light on to go to the bathroom/toilet. How familiar is Reeva, with the layout of OP house, in particular the upstairs area? Had she stayed there often enough to know her way around without switching the lights on? Does anyone know?
All JMOO
Looking at this specific question:
How much evidence has OP presented that supports his life was threatened?
My personal view is that apart from his own claims there is no persuasive evidence to back up the assertion that he felt his life was threatened or indeed that he had an unusually extreme fear of crime. He has to at least try to show this because otherwise he has no justification for what he did - sadly i believe it is all a pretence and that he shot Reeva deliberately.
- No corroborated evidence for any of the claims of previous attacks - in particular the 'shooting' incident when he was in his car appears to be totally fabricated with not even a half hearted attempt to field anyone to corroborate it so far.
- No burglar bars at the wondows
- It seems unlikely that the alarm was even set
- No use of the panic alarm
- They slept with the balcony doors not only unlocked but actually open,
- OP lived on an extremely secure estate
- Broken downstairs window with no apparent concern about fixing it
Agreed. But he had no other choice. The bed is just in front of the balcony.
He no way could prove that he didn't see the empty bed coming in from the balcony cause inside would be brightly lit until he puts the fan wherever it is and goes back to close curtains and blinds stuff.
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I use a 3D program for some artistic hobbies. After Dixon testified, I decided to test what he and OP and Jan Botha had testified as to what happened in the WC. I did this just for myself, so it is a bit rough. But it might be of interest to others. This program is capable of creating a 3D environment and of doing animation. I am not skilled enough to create the 3D environment, but I am able to do some rudimentary animation. I posed the figures using the photo of the reconstructed WC in the court room, so the perspective is a little off. I positioned the figures to the best of my recollection of testimony. They are not to scale, but I did my best to size them by eye. I posed the figures standing,then attempted to recreate the scenarios posed by the prosecution (PT) and the defense(DT). This is the DT recreation. I selected 3 positions to import into Photoshop. I did the coloring and such there and cut loose the magazine rack so that I could move it around. I hope we get to see the animation in court, but I have my doubts. They would have had to re-do everything to match OP's latest version. Lots of time and money involved there. I doubt the WC events would be in the animation in any event because I don't see how they can corroborate the DT version of things in there.
The blue figure is standing close to the door, slightly bent forward, arm bent and close to the hip /per Jan Botha and Dixon. Reeva has 4 seconds to live. I guess the idea is that she had just locked the door? OP said that he began shooting reflexively upon hearing the magazine rack moving, so I raised and extended her left leg. Since all of her weight was now on her right leg, and her right hip was shattered, she would have collapsed right there. That being impossible, I put her left leg back on the floor. In the Dt version, she starts to fall backwards, but is hit in the arm while still close to the door. Ok, she has to also spin about 45 degrees to fall against the the left end of the magazine rack which is in the middle of the wall, per OP. Before hitting the magazine rack, though, she has to fall to the right, into the path of the bullet trajectories, so that she can be shot through the right arm. Then she has to straighten back up so that she can fall onto the left side of the magazine rack, incurring the bruise to her inner right buttock, and then slide to the floor, bruising her back, just to the left of the spine on the way down. I couldnt make any of this happen, but lets say that gravity and laws of motion were temporarily suspended and it did happen.
The Red figure depicts RS siting on the floor after hitting the left end of magazine rack, and after receiving the bruises to her right inner buttock and back. Her right leg and arm are now useless. Her left arm is raised in the air, ready to receive bullet hole B/ per Dixon. The problem here is that I cant get her from that position Into the corner where OP said he found her unless she teleported over to the left around 18 inches. I guess it is at this point that the magazine rack is knocked into the right corner of the WC/ per OP. It is depicted in turquoise. Reeva has 2 seconds to live.
Green figure. So lets say that the magazine rack is in the right corner and that she did teleport into the left corner in a position in which she could be shot in the left hand and head,ending her life, as she fell over onto the toilet. Op has only one version of what her position was when he found her. He pointed on the court room monitor, showing where her legs were and where her torso was in the corner. He said her arm right was on the toilet and that her head was lying on her right shoulder where the blood is. He spoke in a rather calm voice as he pointed these things out on the photo of that small bloody room. He did not cry and he did not puke. I couldnt get her torso onto the corner and have her head and legs positioned where OP said they were. Her legs are lying in the blood pool in my recreation. Now, If all of the preceding impossibilities had occurred, can someone please tell me how her useless right arm got up onto the toilet seat?
Conclusions:
1. Reeva was not standing in the position the DT proposed.
2. Reeva did not kick the magazine rack. There was no wood moving sound. Oscar lied
about this.
3.The magazine rack was never in the middle of the wall nor in the right corner. The police did not move it. Oscar lied about this.
4.The bruising to the buttock and back was not caused by the magazine rack.
5.Reeva was never sitting or lying on the floor. Oscar lied about this.
6.Reevas right arm was not on the toilet seat and her head was not on her shoulder. Oscar lied about even this.
7. Oscar lied about everything.
You know, when I did this recreation, I was involved in the process, and I didnt really allow myself to think of the figures as Reeva Steenkamp. To Write this up, I had to really think about what he did to her. I have a headache and I am furious. How could he have done this?
Is this a photo of the ambient light you mention, at the end of the corridor. It looks as though the light is coming from the bathroom window around the corner.
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Sorry I'm not sure how to post the picture correctly but it's on juror13's blog page, Entrance to the bathroom. The bath tub can be seen at the top of the photo. There was blood spatter found on the floor and wall, a bullet casing on the left side of the entrance and wood splinters from the toilet room door. is the title of the photo. Its at the end of her page where she lists the trial photos, days 9 & 10, Rensberg
http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/
Woww .. very good work..
what struck me is the undisturbed blood pool where
her legs are in her final position.. I remember sth as op told that at some point he sat on the toilet seat to pick up and pull her out thus smearing the blood on the left side of the seat but i just can't see why he would need to do that from yr images ? I have to go and check again..
BIB2 Good question.. Maybe our medical experts would answer that..whether she could move her severly injured arm up the seat or was it paralysed ?
Woww .. very good work..
what struck me is the undisturbed blood pool where
her legs are in her final position.. I remember sth as op told that at some point he sat on the toilet seat to pick up and pull her out thus smearing the blood on the left side of the seat but i just can't see why he would need to do that from yr images ? I have to go and check again..
BIB2 Good question.. Maybe our medical experts would answer that..whether she could move her severly injured arm up the seat or was it paralysed ?
I wonder of all the times a woman is shot dead by her partner, how many times is it genuinely an accident?, and therefore what are the actual odd's Oscar is telling the truth before you even get to the total joke that is his story?.
This photo below depicts the end of the corridor. They have also referred to it as the "passage" during trial. There would be some ambient light that hits this spot from the bathroom window around the corner.
I remember reading from a few people on here that they thought OP said he sat ON the toilet seat to move her, but I don't believe he did. This is what I got after I listened to the testimony a few times:
Oscar crouched down over Reeva and put his left arm underneath her right arm and checked to see if she was breathing or had a pulse. He didnt feel that she did so he pulled her on top of him. At that point he heard her breathing so he immediately tried to pick her up and get her out.
He wasnt able to pick her up so he scuffled around with his legs which he theorizes is how the magazine rack got moved, he may have kicked it. At this point he was seated against the left hand part of the door frame inside the toilet room with Reevas weight on top of him. He managed to turn her around and get her on the ground.
He placed her half way between the toilet room and the frame. (this is presumably where there is a pool of blood seen just outside the toilet door.)
He was trying to pick her up but he couldnt. He then moved her in to the bathroom.
If you discover that I have this wrong let me know and I can go back and correct it. Thanks
P.S. No way did he scuffle around that toilet room. The blood pool and droplets do not indicate any struggle inside that room. I believe he walked in, lifted her head off the bowl and got her out.
BBM
OP's story had her arm up on the bowl and her head resting on her right shoulder.
But Mangena's sequence of events has her head on the toilet bowl, her right arm at her right side, causing the large blood pool next to the toilet and her lower body was on top of the magazine rack.
Her arm was completely dysfunctional at this point so I don't see how it would be possible that it would be up on the toilet seat.