PA PA - Bedford, 'Mr. Bones' WhtMale 30-35, 585UMPA, 30-06 rifle, gold dental wk, camping equip, Oct'58

[Ms Suzanne]

Ms. Suzanne, did you submit Othel to LE?

I emailed NAMUS on Othels case missing person.They are suppose to look into next week.I did not turn it into Mr Bones. So if anyone can Please.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I have never ruled out the possibility The boy and the box and Mr Bones cases are related.I suggested this a few years ago that maybe possibly if they can check Mr Bones as possibly be related to the boy in the box. Here is why I think that could be possible.They were both found in Pennsylvania and supposedly died in 1957 some time. They were both supposedly of European Ancestry.They say the boy in the box was in ill health and malnourished for about a year and they thought he was with someone on the run or went from place to place traveling. Mr bones appears to have been doing that

I just became aware of this thread today on "today's posts" and have not read through the entire thread. Am wondering whether it has ever been explored whether this UID case could be related to the Philadelphis box in the box case. So, I'm just asking if anyone has ever explored whether these two cases may be related. The timing is appropriate. Possible murder of boy in box, then suicide? Will post the same there.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I have not heard back from anyone yet.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Clarence Moore is now listed as a rule out for Mr Bones on NAMUS. I have not heard back if they are checking Othel Johnson as a possible match to Mr Bones or if they are checking a DNA relative with The boy in the box.I hope they are.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8011

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/33677/0/

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They apparently have DNA on Othel Ernest Johnson now.Have they or can they check his DNA with Mr Bones.I have never heard anything back about this match.Can someone one else ask if they were checked and ruled out by DNA.

Here is another man missing.Othel Ernest Johnson missing Jan, 1 1956 from New Mexico. Has he ever been turned in for a possible match to Mr Bones.I don't see him as a rule out on NAMUS.
http://www.nampn.org/cases/johnson_othel.html

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Bumping up for him.Has any one got any updates on Mr Bones.I still have not found out anything about the possible match with Othel Earnest Johnson.Also another lead I still think they should possibly check is a match with the boy in the box to see if they are related some how.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Bumping up for him.Any news? It's sad this case is so cold.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Is there anything to suggest Mr Bones might have been travelling with someone else?

I was wondering if he could have had an argument with that person. Hypothetical Mr X shot Mr Bones and left him there, taking his own kit with him but swapping weapons. That might account for no reports of Mr Bones going missing and no abandonned vehicle left nearby, but also for the presumed match between the rifling on the bullet that killed him and that on the barrel of the rifle found with him.

Maybe some of the stuff found at the site belonged to Mr X rather than Mr Bones. After all, it's not as though they could match any fingerprints on the stuff that was left to the skeleton.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I was told today Othel Johnson was ruled out as Mr Bones.I don't know how.

https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/8011

 

[Richard]

I wonder if any of the items found in Mr. Bones' camp were fingerprinted. And was anything at all written in the books?

 

[Ozoner]

Has Ronald Tammen been ruled out? He looks like such a good match.

The height estimate of the John Doe would have to be off by quite a bit, but there's a slight resemblance between Tammen and the sketch of the John Doe. Still, I think Tammen probably died the night he disappeared & simply wasn't found.

 

[Eddie99]

For what it is worth....Regardless of that rule out. I think Magnum PE, is correct.

Its easier for me to believe that something is awry with the DNA... either the test, or the actual biological relationship to whom he was tested against - was flawed.

The physical match.
The chronological match.
The location the perpetrator was seen, relative to the body location, and the crime scene.

Its just too much. I am stunned that Magnums submission was ruled out.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Please keep him in your prayers to have him Identified.It's been a long time for him.Very sad.I have haven't heard anything on this poor man for a very long time now.

 

[Ozoner]

Please keep him in your prayers to have him Identified.It's been a long time for him.Very sad.I have haven't heard anything on this poor man for a very long time now.

The "Avenue A" stamped on his key could have been Pittsburgh, but so far as I can tell, there's no 195 Avenue A today. (The 195 might not be an address, anyway.) Manhattan has also been mentioned, but Mr. Bones was a long way from Manhattan. Maybe someone could look at the 1940 census to see whether there was a 195 Avenue A back then. (I so wish 1950 census records were available.)

 

[madamx]

The way he was dressed with the leather MC and the Engineer boots reminded me of Marlon Brando "The Wild One"…(without the hat of course) which makes me believe this guy had a motorcycle.. I wonder if he was shot by someone who took his motorcycle and that is why no vehicle was found?.. Was it common in 1958 like it is more today for many guys to wear motorcycle jackets and engineer boots?

 

[Magnum P.E.]

Hi guys. I’m surprised at the interest in Mr. Bones at this point. To answer a few questions, 1) I established a long time ago that 195 Avenue A was the location of a locksmith in Manhattan. I spoke to the building manager, it was gone a long time and turned out to be a dead end.2) No vehicle was found, and he had a lot of gear with him. I assume he was dropped off (dead or alive) by another person. 3) It’s tempting to connect Mr. Bones and the Boy in the Box, because the cases are close in time and in (different parts of) the same state. But there’s nothing tangible to connect them. Both sets of DNA are in CODIS, and have not been found to be a match.
Time has passed and the technology has arrived to do a much better DNA test, and compare results to a much larger database using Forensic Genealogy. I am working on another case now, hopefully to wrap up in 2019. Perhaps I can then push to have the more sophisticated DNA testing done. No exhumation would be necessary as he’s still in a cardboard barrel as State Police HQ.

I have not given up on Mr. Bones yet.

 

[Richard]

Engineer (motorcycle) boots and leather jackets were popular in the late 1950's and common among motorcyclists. However, they were NOT commonly worn by hikers, backpackers, or campers then (or now). They do tend to be somewhat out of the ordinary for a guy carrying all that camping equipment, a high power rifle, and poetry books. He certainly was an unusual and mysterious individual with all of his personal belongings and no identification or known transportation.

 

[StarrChance]

No. I doubt it would be significant if we knew. He was found about a half mile north of the Turnpike, but to get there you have to exit the Turnpike and drive several miles on back roads. In other words, it is a short distance in a straight line but hard to get from point a to point b. I bet that was the first thing they investigated in 1958.

Last time I passed through I found out that Camp Chalybeate was a fishing camp.

Charles Conner is the best potential match in 56 years. My last best hope of solving this is to locate a relative who could potentially match the mitochondrial DNA and turn the information over to the family I am in contact with ( wonderful folks btw). Websleuths rules prohibit me from making that approach but certainly other family could.
I need to go back several generations in the maternal line, then forward to find a living descendant.

Anyone here good with genealogy and want to help? PM me.

I am low on energy and discouraged because no one in LE returns calls or emails. I guess it is time to start working on him again.

Mr. Bones, Mr. Bones
In a barrel all alone
Will we ever get you home, Mr. Bones?
Nobody cares, nobody tries
To find out how you lived and died
The Websleuths are your only kin
We look and look and look again
In every archive we can find
And surely the answer lies in some dusty book
Waiting for us to take a look
The Sleuths await the coming day
Through dentals or your DNA
When we'll no longer call you Mr. Bones.

Not good poetry but I had to get that off my chest....

Thankyou Magnum, the Poem was very touching.
Is there a synopsis of the Charles Connor case online?

 

[madamx]

Hi guys. I’m surprised at the interest in Mr. Bones at this point. To answer a few questions, 1) I established a long time ago that 195 Avenue A was the location of a locksmith in Manhattan. I spoke to the building manager, it was gone a long time and turned out to be a dead end.2) No vehicle was found, and he had a lot of gear with him. I assume he was dropped off (dead or alive) by another person. 3) It’s tempting to connect Mr. Bones and the Boy in the Box, because the cases are close in time and in (different parts of) the same state. But there’s nothing tangible to connect them. Both sets of DNA are in CODIS, and have not been found to be a match.
Time has passed and the technology has arrived to do a much better DNA test, and compare results to a much larger database using Forensic Genealogy. I am working on another case now, hopefully to wrap up in 2019. Perhaps I can then push to have the more sophisticated DNA testing done. No exhumation would be necessary as he’s still in a cardboard barrel as State Police HQ.

I have not given up on Mr. Bones yet.

Oh Magnum it's so great to hear you have not given up on Mr Bones!!! Thank you for all the work you have done to try and find out who he is.

 

[madamx]

Engineer (motorcycle) boots and leather jackets were popular in the late 1950's and common among motorcyclists. However, they were NOT commonly worn by hikers, backpackers, or campers then (or now). They do tend to be somewhat out of the ordinary for a guy carrying all that camping equipment, a high power rifle, and poetry books. He certainly was an unusual and mysterious individual with all of his personal belongings and no identification or known transportation.

My thoughts Exactly on the MC jacket and the Engineer boots. Not an outfit for camping or hiking. Have the titles of the books he had ever been mentioned?