Found Deceased PA - Four young men, 18-22, missing, Bucks Co., 5-9 July 2017 #4

[luckeeesmom]

I would be interested to know (I've read the threads but have difficulty opening maps so that may be the issue) whether the location of the burial site is visible from the roadways? If not, is it screened by the cornfields or other vegetation? Also, being on or around contruction sites, a backhoe can be noisy. I wonder if, in days leading up to the incident or in recent days, neighbors heard the engine of the backhoe or, if visible from roadway, if digging activity was observed.

 

[white rabbit]

what the heck could they be measuring from the hole to the middle of the road?

tire tracks, tractor tracks, backhoe...treads to link one of his vehicles to the crime scene

IF this is the actual crime scene, could be it's the dump site and they were killed elsewhere.

 

[rpgman]

what the heck could they be measuring from the hole to the middle of the road?

 

[BIC]

tire tracks, tractor tracks, backhoe...treads to link one of his vehicles to the crime scene

IF this is the actual crime scene, could be it's the dump site and they were killed elsewhere.

That whole area has been driven and walked over for days now.


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[Loughy]

I'm not going to speculate on what he was actually selling, but I highly doubt it was firewood. Unless he has business connections through a family member, what 20-year-old kid is going to have a viable buyer base for firewood? Hard to believe any of his personal connections have a pressing need for firewood. Doesn't make sense imo.

IMO, i call B/S.. i think he really was selling firewood, their's a huge pile of it in the pic from 2011

 

[Torbs]

In re: whether CD could have concealed the bodies himself, yes, he could have. He had the means via heavy equipment on the property, and it's reasonable to assume he knew how to at least operate said equipment given his dad's business. I don't think "fitness" matters so much if you have the heavy tools available and know how to use them.

That said, just based on the pictures from when authorities first began to excavate, whoever concealed the bodies looks to have been pretty skilled with heavy equipment. That's a lot different from just knowing how to use them. What I mean is that the grave site was neat: no random dirt piles, no torn up surfaces from bad driving, well-leveled, covered neatly with a lot of gravel. I don't doubt CD knew how to use heavy equipment based on what I stated above, but does anyone think he was skilled at using it, like someone would be if it were their full time job? That's where I start to think maybe he had some help.

 

[wordsick]

what the heck could they be measuring from the hole to the middle of the road?

The distance from the hole to the road. Everything needs to be documented.

 

[Throwaway23]

In re: whether CD could have concealed the bodies himself, yes, he could have. He had the means via heavy equipment on the property, and it's reasonable to assume he knew how to at least operate said equipment given his dad's business. I don't think "fitness" matters so much if you have the heavy tools available and know how to use them.

That said, just based on the pictures from when authorities first began to excavate, whoever concealed the bodies looks to have been pretty skilled with heavy equipment. That's a lot different from just knowing how to use them. What I mean is that the grave site was neat: no random dirt piles, no torn up surfaces from bad driving, well-leveled, covered neatly with a lot of gravel. I don't doubt CD knew how to use heavy equipment based on what I stated above, but does anyone think he was skilled at using it, like someone would be if it were their full time job? That's where I start to think maybe he had some help.

CD worked for his father

 

[realanastasia]

Also it was a private Catholic prep school. With an enrollment of around 450 students 9-12. This means just over 100 people in each class. I went to a school just a bit smaller than this and I can say that I knew almost everyone in my high school.

Point taken, but it looks like JP attended a different Catholic HS (LaSalle College HS) at least through 2013, which means he'd only have been in school with CD for two years as opposed to four.
Source--JP's old high school's newsletter (2013 issue): https://issuu.com/lschs/docs/belcroft_march_2013

It just seems unlikely to me that the two would have been any closer than mere acquaintances, given JP's status as a transfer student in a grade below CD, along with JP's academic strengths and involvement with HS athletics (lack of evidence suggests that CD wasn't a particularly noteworthy student-athlete or a scholar).

But I guess even an acquaintanceship would be enough to get you to trust a person enough to meet them somewhere if they asked.

 

[YayChristy]

My only question about the talk about this being connected to the Temple attack is that if they truly were the 4 witnesses to the attack then there wouldn't be speculation of how they were linked. There would be court documents and police records with their statements. The police would absolutely come forward and state that there's 4 missing witnesses to an ongoing case.

 

[sassyblue]

Michaela on HLN said this morning and I quote her exact words "Police say they were found buried more than 12 feet deep and covered in freshly poured concrete."

I've not seen the concrete reference anywhere else.

 

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[BRRI]

<modsnip>. I don't think Dean was involved in helping and then killed in the end as well. Maybe if there was a gun to his head he was forced to partake in maybe tying someone up or something.

It still gets me how this happened though. Unless they were shot in the back, didnt know, see, or suspect what was coming, I can't imagine anyone just standing there waiting to be shot. I could easily see young, healthy men at least trying to make a run for it. And also, Dean, Mark, and Tom seemingly all met up at the same time on Friday night - Cosmo and Dean in one vehicle, Mark and Tom in another, and I guess then meeting up at the farm. So somehow the remaining 3 ( i believe highly inlikely Jimi was still alive at this point) were subdued or able to be managed somehow.

We don't know that they didn't make a run for it. You don't have to be overly accurate in aim if say, a shotgun, was used, or shot at short range. Once they announce COD on the remains, it will be easier to establish. Until then, everything is speculation anyway

 

[Mercedes]

Thank you @Really? I appreciate your welcome message too. I just feel like it might not be the right thing to do, implicating DF as part of the murders. Just because he was known to be "cool" with POI or BR doesn't mean that he would commit a crime like that. He is absolutely a victim at this point, by inferring his involvement we are doing him & the people mourning over him a disservice. There is zero evidence to suggest that he was involved in the crime as far as that he was a perp.

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[ninij9]

Jimi Patrick is someone's child. He matters. They all matter. We tend to get lost in the gravel and the digging and the drugs and the violence and we forget that these are human beings, who were once little smiling boys that got first haircuts, and first days of school, and dances and first kisses. That's why we need his parents to tell us about Jimi.

Thank you. I very much agree. It's why most of us are here. Your heart breaks every day on Websleuths. I'm a mother, I won't even pretend to understand the pain.


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[Henry2326]

Brace yourself....IMO....more bodies may be found than the ones expected. Why would a hole get deeper by the minute?

"They are side-by-side, and combing through vast fields, and down 12 feet deep in a hole that is getting deeper by the minute," Weintraub said.

http://6abc.com/news/human-remains-discovered-in-bucks-co;-1-missing-man-idd/2199000/


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[Celt1997]

Something else big coming up? They measured and are clearing cords and fans out of the way.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Woah, managed to miss the whole of thread 3, damned time difference!

I gather remains have been found and so far Dean has been identified and confirmed deceased. Are we assuming the other 3 are there too? And maybe more?

Who is BR and what's the connection? And Liddle?

 

[Henry2326]

"This is a homicide; make no mistake about it. We just don't know how many homicides," Weintraub said.

http://6abc.com/news/human-remains-discovered-in-bucks-co;-1-missing-man-idd/2199000/

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