Identified! PA - White Haven, 'Beth Doe' & Unborn Baby 169UFPA, 16-22, Dec'76 - #2 - Evelyn Colon

[Springrain]

Petition is up. https://www.change.org/p/kevin-syst...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Sad that it had to come to this, but you handled it very well. Signed.

 

[CCJD]

Petition is up. https://www.change.org/p/kevin-syst...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

"She is known only by the nickname “Beth Doe,” a term that online sleuths picked posthumously for her."

The name Beth Doe did not come from online sleuthers. My understanding is that there was another unidentified girl at the time who was called "Jane Doe" so investigators called her "Beth Doe". Her gravesite at the potter's field has a white cross and a small stone with Beth Doe on them (they were there long before her exhumation).

 

[Springrain]

That whole account is so sickening. I would love to see it shut down, even though that probably won't happen.

 

[Nikon]

An online petition? Aren't you taking this too far? This is bordering on ridiculous. No, it is ridiculous. Death is a part of life.

Now that I see the username, I have been browsing the instagram photos. Most of them were interesting and educational. You'd be doing yourself a grand favour if you would open your mind, even if only a little.

Willful ignorance of important things is such an unhealthy way to live life.

 

[Springrain]

Mutilation is not a normal part of life/death. Most people do not succumb to being cut in half. I don't see the problem with a recognizable post-mortem picture of an unidentified decedent being published, but one with her nose and ears cut off, clearly unrecognizable, for many people to see--that is a problem. Especially when it is under hashtags "pregnancy". Everyday people, not necessarily medical examiners or those desensitized to morgue photos, could look under "pregnancy" on Instagram--it is a social networking site!

Some of the photos were educational--the vast majority of them were just a platform of grotesque oddities for necrophiliacs.
In any case, the username wouldn't be shut down and I've accepted it, but I would be happy to see Beth Doe's PM taken down. It shows a thorough disrespect for the deceased. I am certain those that follow the account do it for the sheer pleasure of gawking at tragedies, the "dramatic" nature of mutilation. I very much doubt the followers are doing it for the educational value--what better social media platform are there for people who like that?

 

[JayFletcher6493]

Has Patricia M. Laemmerhirt or Mildred Louise Butterworth Roche been looked into?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/laemmerhirt_patricia.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/roche_mildred.html

 

[Gourami Watcher]

"She is known only by the nickname “Beth Doe,” a term that online sleuths picked posthumously for her."

The name Beth Doe did not come from online sleuthers. My understanding is that there was another unidentified girl at the time who was called "Jane Doe" so investigators called her "Beth Doe". Her gravesite at the potter's field has a white cross and a small stone with Beth Doe on them (they were there long before her exhumation).

Thank you. I made a quick change to the page.

 

[CCJD]

Has Patricia M. Laemmerhirt or Mildred Louise Butterworth Roche been looked into?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/laemmerhirt_patricia.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/roche_mildred.html

Mildred Roche was 38 when she was last seen. Way too old to be Beth Doe.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23460/3

Patricia Laemmerhirt - 28 when last seen, might be a stretch. Height off by 3" give or take and doesn't fit the isotope results that placed Beth Doe in the southeastern USA, possibly TN if those results are correct. Moot point, though since there is no way to rule her in or out. Patricia has no prints, dentals or DNA available for comparison.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9541/0/

 

[Gawain]

Oh dear. Are you new to the internet? The more you try to get something off the internet, the more it will spread… Once upon a time, there was a French politician, I believe Hollande was his name, and there was a very unfortunate photograph of him put on the internet. French authorities made it clear to the public that they want this photograph removed. But instead, it became a running gag and was posted everywhere it could be posted. Internet trolls are like that. And people are bloodthirsty, disgusting beings, of course they want to see a picture of a mutilated face… especially if they are backed by the anonymity of the internet.

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Anyways… I am new to Websleuths but I’ve been reading some threads and try to keep up with new tips. I’ve been reading the Beth Doe thread thoroughly and I believe it is time we start sleuthing according to Beth Doe’s isotope testing, meaning trying to spread the word in Europe.

Once a victim remains unidentified for so long, you have to start considering even the smallest possibilities, which is why I put my first guess to the biggest country in Central Europe.
I’ll contact the Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany next week, as they have listed several unidentified decedents found in other countries that may possibly be of German descent („Peter Bergmann“, for example) and also some decedents that date back to the 70s. They also have an option on their website for people to submit tips and send requests and whatnot and I thought I should write them about Beth Doe. Maybe they can give me a list of girls missing from around the time Beth Doe got to the US or girls that moved to the US officially. I’d be happy if other people with more linguistic capabilities than me would also contact other countries, like Italy, the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. I may be able to find someone who can translate my E-Mail to the German Federal Police into Czech… but I would not count on it.

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Anyway, here are some general ideas I had and if my memory serves me right, they haven’t been mentioned yet... if they have, I apologize for the repetition:

- She may have been Turkish. This may be a long shot but in 1960 over 800,000 Turks came to Europe, to seek employment, as there was some sort of contract between Germany and Turkey… yadeyadeya, if you want to know about the whole ordeal, google it. The point is, if her parents were one of those 800,000 and she was born in Europe, however, this would explain her Mediterranean appearance and maybe also the manner of her death. Sadly, in Turkey, honor killings are still happening and if they brought this tradition with them, this would explain why her nose and ears were cut off. The biggest thing that rubs me the wrong way about this theory is that this would mean she was at the younger end of her age range… And wasn’t her dental examiner claiming that she was probably about 24?

- She may have fled the Soviet Union

- She may have been at the older end of her age range, as many Europeans have it as a wish to travel to the United States as soon as they come of age, meaning between 18 and 21… and maybe she decided to stay but wasn’t officially granted permanent stay, that also contributed to her never being identified. But then again, I guess it was a lot easier as a foreigner to get to the US back then than it is now because of 9/11. I don’t know, though, if they have records of all the people that came tot he US in Beth’s time frame. If they do, who should I contact to request this data? An embassy? I’m really grasping for straws here but I want to get this woman her name back.

 

[ArtsyOwl]

I am so glad that you have started this petition up. I really hope that the picture is removed soon. Signed.

 

[Springrain]

OK--just to clarify because some people don't see the point of the petition.

People look different when they're dead. Tammy Jo Alexander's relatives looked at her PM photos and they weren't even sure if it was her or not. Those photos were not graphic. They could see the strong resemblance with Carl's recon, when he takes into consideration the changing of appearance during death.

My point is, Beth's PM is more unrecognizable than a normal PM. Her nose was cut off, so obviously the area was bloody and disturbing, graphic. Her eyes and forehead, chin, were not mutilated, but they had lost pigment, and anyhow most of the focus would be on the mutilated nose. It'd be really hard to recognize a dead friend/relative with her nose chopped off.

People do not think that they can recognize her from it. They want to gawk at the mutilated face of a young woman.

In short, even though the people of Websleuths are well meaning, it is much more likely this photo is there for people to gawk at the tragedy. It cannot be used for ID purposes, because her face took so much abuse, she would be pretty much unrecognizable.

 

[Fluttershy]

Christine Thornton is from out of the area, but was pregnant when she disappeared. She looks similar to Carl's reconstruction, at least to me, but she seems to be too tall.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26265/4/

 

[AliceInPain]

OK--just to clarify because some people don't see the point of the petition.

People look different when they're dead. Tammy Jo Alexander's relatives looked at her PM photos and they weren't even sure if it was her or not. Those photos were not graphic. They could see the strong resemblance with Carl's recon, when he takes into consideration the changing of appearance during death.

My point is, Beth's PM is more unrecognizable than a normal PM. Her nose was cut off, so obviously the area was bloody and disturbing, graphic. Her eyes and forehead, chin, were not mutilated, but they had lost pigment, and anyhow most of the focus would be on the mutilated nose. It'd be really hard to recognize a dead friend/relative with her nose chopped off.

People do not think that they can recognize her from it. They want to gawk at the mutilated face of a young woman.

In short, even though the people of Websleuths are well meaning, it is much more likely this photo is there for people to gawk at the tragedy. It cannot be used for ID purposes, because her face took so much abuse, she would be pretty much unrecognizable.

Telling the Internet to not do something is like telling a terrible two not to do something.
They will get even more interested, and they will push you out of the way to do it.
Anyone with not nice intentions who sees the petition will now look this picture up and spread it.
I am sorry, but that is how it works.
It's not nice, but I appreciate at least now there will be more people knowing about her, until hopefully the right person sees it, and the police can do their job.
They/ she has not been identified for almost 40 years.
If she's identified because this awful image is spread around, even in the most darkest places of the internet, will you still complain?

 

[Springrain]

Telling the Internet to not do something is like telling a terrible two not to do something.
They will get even more interested, and they will push you out of the way to do it.
Anyone with not nice intentions who sees the petition will now look this picture up and spread it.
I am sorry, but that is how it works.
It's not nice, but I appreciate at least now there will be more people knowing about her, until hopefully the right person sees it, and the police can do their job.
They/ she has not been identified for almost 40 years.
If she's identified because this awful image is spread around, even in the most darkest places of the internet, will you still complain?

I do see what you mean about more people seeing it, and I understand that. 57.2k people could have seen it by now anyhow, though.

I was writing that in response to people who thought the photo would get her identified. I do not have ANY problem with a recognizable (non-mutilated or severely decomposing), even if very graphic, PM pictures being public. I just don't see how this PM is at all recognizable to a family member. I know I sure as heck would not recognize a family member I hadn't seen in ~40 years with her nose ripped off! It is not realistic that anyone would actually recognize her. Her face took so much damage, a reconstruction artist not only has to illustrate what she looked like when taking into account the typical facial changes post-mortem, but also create an estimate of her nose. Now, think of what an average (not reconstruction artist) would think about the photo. Surely they could not imagine what this dead woman with no nose looked like in real life! That's why I would much prefer the reconstruction being circulated.

Now, if she were to be identified because of this image, of course I wouldn't complain. But the likelihood of that seems very, very low. As I said before, she hasn't been seen by anyone for at least 39 years, and memories are lost. I would imagine that, looking at even a non-graphic PM pic of a possible relative you hadn't seen that long, it would be very difficult to see if they could be your relative. But a woman with her face brutalized like this--I very strongly doubt that anyone would recognize this as their relative. Again, there seems to be a very, very slim chance of the average person recognizing a relative they hadn't seen in 40 years with a severely mutilated face.

 

[Springrain]

OK, condensed version of what I wrote above:

The likelihood of the average citizen studying the facial photo of a severely mutilated woman saying "Oh, hey, she looks like my 'Aunt Sally'! I haven't seen her in 40 years, she was pregnant when she left, too, could that be her?" is so very low.

The chance of someone seeing a reconstruction and reading a description of the death and having that train of thought is much more likely.

 

[AliceInPain]

I have much respect for yours and others in this threads opinions and it's noticable how close you are to this girl and how you want to protect her dignity, I understand that.
However, the picture is out there now.
And, to me, it doesn't look at all like the same girl in the reconstruction that's been around for years, so someone recognizing "Aunt Sally" from this pic (or even the newer reconstruction by Carl) than the other one is just more likely.
That is just my opinion.
I'm very sorry you're upset about this, but please try see the positives in the negatives.

 

[Springrain]

I have much respect for yours and others in this threads opinions and it's noticable how close you are to this girl and how you want to protect her dignity, I understand that.
However, the picture is out there now.
And, to me, it doesn't look at all like the same girl in the reconstruction that's been around for years, so someone recognizing "Aunt Sally" from this pic (or even the newer reconstruction by Carl) than the other one is just more likely.
That is just my opinion.
I'm very sorry you're upset about this, but please try see the positives in the negatives.

Sorry if I came across too strong! I do agree about that recon that you're referring to (at least the one I think you're referring to, the one with the darker features?) I just want dignity for Beth, I'm very emotional, which I'm sure you can tell.

 

[Sabriel]

On some descriptions she is listed with only having a mole on her left check, and in others they also list one above her left eyebrow as well. In some of the composites it does show 2 moles. I also looked over the isotope information and it got me looking for missing females in Europe. One case I came across is of Annastaes Banitskas. She has both of the same moles on her face in her photo and in an age progressed photo, although in the description it only indicates the one on her left cheek. She went missing in Australia, but she had moved there from Europe with her family. The timing when comparing to the isotope results is a bit off, and I don't know a lot about those tests and the accuracy, but maybe she should be looked into. The family thought she may have ran off with a boyfriend. She took most all of the family photos the day she disappeared, and they only had this photo listed.


To me it looks like that photo could have been taken when she was much younger, but it doesn't say what age she was when it was taken. Here is an Article from last year http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736289/Anna-Banitskas-missing-FORTY-years-family-believe-alive-hiding-fallen-pregnant-just-15.html And here is her Doe Network info http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/31dfvic.html

 

[Springrain]

On some descriptions she is listed with only having a mole on her left check, and in others they also list one above her left eyebrow as well. In some of the composites it does show 2 moles. I also looked over the isotope information and it got me looking for missing females in Europe. One case I came across is of Annastaes Banitskas. She has both of the same moles on her face in her photo and in an age progressed photo, although in the description it only indicates the one on her left cheek. She went missing in Australia, but she had moved there from Europe with her family. The timing when comparing to the isotope results is a bit off, and I don't know a lot about those tests and the accuracy, but maybe she should be looked into. The family thought she may have ran off with a boyfriend. She took most all of the family photos the day she disappeared, and they only had this photo listed.

To me it looks like that photo could have been taken when she was much younger, but it doesn't say what age she was when it was taken. Here is an Article from last year http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eve-alive-hiding-fallen-pregnant-just-15.html And here is her Doe Network info http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/31dfvic.html

Wow! That looks promising!

 

[Sabriel]

I would really like to have this checked out. The moles and the European background are really telling me this could be her.


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