Penn State's athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child sex case

[EGirl]

I've never met McQueary, but there's one word for someone who walks in on a 10 year old child being raped, turns their back and walks away: cold. There is no way in hell I could have witnessed that and walked away from the scene, no way.

You can bet the identity of the rapist and the impact he percieved Sandusky could have had on his career had something to do with that inaction as well. That is just pure cowardly.

McQueary won't be at the game Saturday? After his long, dedicated and amazing coaching career? Too bad, so sad. Really, compare that to even just one child being sexually abused and tell me it matters in the grand scheme of things. Anyone here who can tell me it even compares to what these kids went through needs to really evaluate where their heart is.

The bottom line, McQueary had an obligation to go to the police and he didn't. Because of his inaction, more children were possibly raped and scarred for life. As a poster here previously wrote, someone had been paying the piper. Now that the secrets are out, it's time for Sandusky, McQueary and everyone else to be held accountable for their actions and inaction.

It's good to hear that Penn State football fans will be wearing blue on Saturday to support the victims.

Let me preface this post by saying I would have had to have been physically removed from Sandusky if I had walked in on that...

Now to be in McQueary's shoes.... he was living in this world. This same world that today has riots in the streets and continued defense of the people that covered this up. That includes Paterno....who for all intents and purposed RAN PENN STATE. So, now we give poor Mr Paterno a pass but have death threats hurled at McQueary? An underling in a very, very powerful machine. An underling that told the very powerful Paterno...?

The coaches at Penn have told the players to encourage their families and friends to wear white instead of blue on Saturday to support Paterno... not the victims. That should illustrate how sick the environment at Penn State is. And, anyone defending any of them should be ashamed.

IMO, JMO and all that jazz.

 

[nomoresorrow]

And I read on another website that Sandusky had six adopted children and cared for foster children. That in itself is just tragic, I hope they were not his victims too.

Hi Danaya, I read that also in an old (1999) article I found in Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017979/index.htm). I'm sorry to say that it's very likely JS did abuse his adopted/foster children. My parents were foster parents and adopted 3 children... (sorry)

 

[HMSHood]

No one, it seems, knows Jerry Sandusky
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...mer-penn-state-assistant-coach-jerry-sandusky

It reveals more about Sandusky.

Seemingly idyllic childhood

The 1960 Washington High School yearbook reveals a strapping young man with a goofy grin who could've done anything. He's the fourth one from the left in the varsity basketball photo, with a buzz cut and a large bandage on his knee. He's on the student council and in the film club and is part of a conscientious group of teenagers who donated 10 cents apiece to help children in India.

Sandusky was an only child, raised in one of the most respected families in the town of Washington, a picturesque community of about 13,000 that is within a half-hour's drive of Pittsburgh. Art and Evie Sandusky taught their son to work hard. They often worked two jobs apiece, and they lived in a tiny apartment above the Brownson House, a recreation center that kept kids off the streets and engaged in sports. Art was Brownson House's director, an athletic man who stood about 5-foot-10 and always took time to listen to any problem; Evie worked the concession stands, coached the cheerleaders and put together plays for the children.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

BBM... I respectfully disagree. Paterno is being crucified because he did NOT do all the right things. When you have knowledge of a child being abused and in such a horrific manner as what this one incident in 2002 was you don't just go to your supervisors and report it and then let it go. You make sure it is reported and to the correct authorities and see it through to the end. You don't continue to see the perpetrator on campus and at football games with other children the same exact age as the child that was reported to you without doing SOMETHING MORE! He chose to do nothing more. He let it go, he turned a blind eye. Paterno was god on that campus and he had the ability to make sure something was done to ensure the safety of that child and every child that came after him. He's still of the board of The Second Mile as well... the very charity that Sandusky used to target his victims. Everyone who had any knowledge of any abuse is certainly worthy of being crucified because they should have done more! They all need to be removed from PSU!

And whether or not he perjured himself with the Grand Jury remains to be seen. McQueary testified that he specifically told Paterno that he saw Sandusky anally raping a little boy, yet Paterno says he never had specifics and the higher you go the more watered down the version of events gets... it's sickening! I highly dought McQueary and his father went to Paterno's home and only said he saw something of an unspecific sexual nature. Paterno most likely did lie to the grand jury, he's just not a target... yet according to the prosecuting attorney. He's lawyered up, and I'm quite certain charges will be coming to a lot more people in the weeks to come.

<modsnip> many facts wrong. Also, Mcqueary did NOT state in any detail what he witnessed to Paterno. ONLY added detail for the gj testimony. There are witnesses to this. Paterno did NOT just report to his superiors and DID go to LE and consulted a lawyer as to what to do. There are MANY MANY aspects abd facts NOT being reported or made public yet. Was/is Paterno viewed as God on campus? Damn right. 61 years of his life and countless good deeds which HE and HIS family did from the goodness of their hearts? He deserved to be respected and honored. But he did NOT control all of the comings and goings on campus allowing Sandusky to do as he pleased. Paterno was head coach. Not the damn president or board of trustees. As such, his control WAS LIMITED! THINK! Who was the ultimate person at the PSU helm? Spanier......now sleuths....FOLLOW THAT CLUE!

 

[ynotdivein]

Of course I don't know how far-reaching this is or will be shown to be.

But from what we know at this point, Sandusky had a pattern. Target a victim from Second Mile (socio-economically disadvantaged, perhaps in need of strong male role models), "court" them (hand on knee in car reported by multiple known victims, tickling, blowing on belly, "cracking" backs all leading up to more aggressive violations) while offering them access to a life that must have seemed a dream come true--to be on the sidelines with college players? To travel outside their own city? To have barbeques and attend dress-up functions?

Remember what it felt like to be 8, 9, 10, 11? Being allowed to meet a college football player in all his gear would be tremendously, overwhelmingly exciting. (I am NOT saying any players were involved in this--just that Sandusky very calculatingly used his connections to ply his victims.)

And as reported in the GJ presentment--if they did not go along with his wishes, there was the threat that all of this 'dream come true' would be terminated. You'll be sent home. All this excitement taken away, because you said no.

These children were brutally manipulated and victimized by Sandusky. I hope that IF he similarly victimized his own foster children, that either they or he or his wife (if she was aware) will find the courage to admit it so that some kind of healing can begin.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Let me preface this post by saying I would have had to have been physically removed from Sandusky if I had walked in on that...

Now to be in McQueary's shoes.... he was living in this world. This same world that today has riots in the streets and continued defense of the people that covered this up. That includes Paterno....who for all intents and purposed RAN PENN STATE. So, now we give poor Mr Paterno a pass but have death threats hurled at McQueary? An underling in a very, very powerful machine. An underling that told the very powerful Paterno...?

The coaches at Penn have told the players to encourage their families and friends to wear white instead of blue on Saturday to support Paterno... not the victims. That should illustrate how sick the environment at Penn State is. And, anyone defending any of them should be ashamed.

IMO, JMO and all that jazz.

The coaches and players did NOT TELL THEM TO WEAR WHITE! EVERYONE was told to wear blue in support of child abuse!!!!! This is COMPLETE BULLCARP!
And paterno did NOT RUN THE CAMPUS! Omg.

 

[HMSHood]

Brockport Man: Jerry Sandusky Overly Friendly With Players
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/st...ndusky/bm6wmKB7Pk-SFNX-KZjyxw.cspx?autoplay=1

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You have many facts wrong. Also, Mcqueary did NOT state in any detail what he witnessed to Paterno. ONLY added detail for the gj testimony. There are witnesses to this. Paterno did NOT just report to his superiors and DID go to LE and consulted a lawyer as to what to do. There are MANY MANY aspects abd facts NOT being reported or made public yet. Was/is Paterno viewed as God on campus? Damn right. 61 years of his life and countless good deeds which HE and HIS family did from the goodness of their hearts? He deserved to be respected and honored. But he did NOT control all of the comings and goings on campus allowing Sandusky to do as he pleased. Paterno was head coach. Not the damn president or board of trustees. As such, his control WAS LIMITED! THINK! Who was the ultimate person at the PSU helm? Spanier......now sleuths....FOLLOW THAT CLUE!

You have no idea what McQueary and his Father told Paterno but it was enough child abuse that Paterno who is the head of the shower rooms to go and do his legal and least obligation which under the law was to run it up the phony chain of command. Now if it wasn't child abuse he was told about why did he feel he had to run it up the chain?

Then this piece of inhumanity failed to even check on the little boy or contact his parents.

Can't have anything messing up that 50 million dollar a year football machine.

 

[lala]

You have many facts wrong. Also, Mcqueary did NOT state in any detail what he witnessed to Paterno. ONLY added detail for the gj testimony. There are witnesses to this. Paterno did NOT just report to his superiors and DID go to LE and consulted a lawyer as to what to do. There are MANY MANY aspects abd facts NOT being reported or made public yet. Was/is Paterno viewed as God on campus? Damn right. 61 years of his life and countless good deeds which HE and HIS family did from the goodness of their hearts? He deserved to be respected and honored. But he did NOT control all of the comings and goings on campus allowing Sandusky to do as he pleased. Paterno was head coach. Not the damn president or board of trustees. As such, his control WAS LIMITED! THINK! Who was the ultimate person at the PSU helm? Spanier......now sleuths....FOLLOW THAT CLUE!

They ALL...as COLLEGE EDUCATED ADULTS, KNOW that you report a crime to the police. It is LAW in PA to report even suspected child abuse. There are no excuses and no more facts coming out that will EVER clear Paterno or any other person that knew, suspected or even heard a rumor about Sandusky. There is no big "A-HA" moment that will come out and we'll all understand. Paterno basked in the limelight of being "the" face of Penn State...now he MUST wallow in the cesspool it has become. Too bad, so sad. Who cares about the "good" he did...he negated that when he decided to sell his soul to the devil and keep his mouth shut.

 

[belimom]

28 years ago I "broke the silence" and told the secret that I'd carried throughout my life - As most of you know I am an incest survivor. What I find as sickening as reading the GJ indictment itself is the lack of concern for the victims. 28 years later and nothings changed. 28 years ago and to this very day no one has ever asked me "Are you okay?" Everyone was more concerned with how this would effect my father; my father's standing in the church, the community, and at his workplace. And yes, there were several individuals over the years who knew and said nothing. They rallied around my father too. And here we are, 28 years later, and people are still more concerned about job positions, reputations and status' within the community or whether or not a football game will be played - no one is asking "Are they (the victims) okay?" Trust me, a 10-year-old boy raped in a shower is not okay! My thoughts and my prayers are ONLY with/for the victims - period.

:grouphug:

I did not experience sexual abuse from my father, but I did suffer physical/emotional abuse from him. At age 14, I finally broke the silence and reported him. Small town, and he was a businessman. The social workers took my report, took a picture of the bruise on my face, but "sat on it", telling me to call them again if I needed to. That was it.

I told the youth director at my church. He got angry and said that he never could have imagined that my father could do such a thing (our families go back generations). That was it.

None of these people said, "I'm sorry", or did anything to make sure that it wouldn't happen again. I told my dad that I reported it and he laughed in my face but never hit me again.

It's an atrocity that people don't take it more seriously and try to protect our children.

 

[HMSHood]

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top"]Amazon.com: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (9781582613574): Jerry Sandusky: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZXRXMOp7L.@@AMEPARAM@@41ZXRXMOp7L[/ame]

Jerry Sandusky has a book called Touched. It was published in early 2001. Was never a good seller and the reviews at Amazon are overwhelmingly negative.

 

[nomoresorrow]

:grouphug:

I did not experience sexual abuse from my father, but I did suffer physical/emotional abuse from him. At age 14, I finally broke the silence and reported him. Small town, and he was a businessman. The social workers took my report, took a picture of the bruise on my face, but "sat on it", telling me to call them again if I needed to. That was it.

I told the youth director at my church. He got angry and said that he never could have imagined that my father could do such a thing (our families go back generations). That was it.

None of these people said, "I'm sorry", or did anything to make sure that it wouldn't happen again. I told my dad that I reported it and he laughed in my face but never hit me again.

It's an atrocity that people don't take it more seriously and try to protect our children.

:hug: Back at cha' Belimon. I think that's the most difficult and damaging thing of all for survivors of any type of abuse - not being believed or taken seriously.

However, I do think that positive change can come from this current and very public scandal. People are talking and examining how they would personally react/respond if they witnessed the abuse of a child. All of us have the opportunity to be a hero to a child everyday. Whether we're at the grocery store, the local rec center, or a shopping mall, if we see a child being abused - REPORT IMMEDIATELY! Call 911. And yes, hitting a child is abuse too.

 

[RR0004]

I think he's trying to say that the kids he attacked came from broken homes and had very little guidance in their lives. They are the most vulnerable victims.

Any person (period!) and those in a position of authority who prey on children (regardless of socio-economic background) is beyond repulsive to me.

 

[Velouria]

You have many facts wrong. Also, Mcqueary did NOT state in any detail what he witnessed to Paterno. ONLY added detail for the gj testimony. There are witnesses to this. Paterno did NOT just report to his superiors and DID go to LE and consulted a lawyer as to what to do. There are MANY MANY aspects abd facts NOT being reported or made public yet. Was/is Paterno viewed as God on campus? Damn right. 61 years of his life and countless good deeds which HE and HIS family did from the goodness of their hearts? He deserved to be respected and honored. But he did NOT control all of the comings and goings on campus allowing Sandusky to do as he pleased. Paterno was head coach. Not the damn president or board of trustees. As such, his control WAS LIMITED! THINK! Who was the ultimate person at the PSU helm? Spanier......now sleuths....FOLLOW THAT CLUE!

BBM

And these mystery witnesses never tried to offer this testimony to the grand jury? Not even to defend Papa Joe? Hmmmmm.

BTW, if Paterno in fact DID report to LE, then why did he himself state he wished he'd handled things differently?

Guess we'll just have to wait until this "big development" breaks, but at this point I'm not buying.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

You have many facts wrong. Also, Mcqueary did NOT state in any detail what he witnessed to Paterno. ONLY added detail for the gj testimony. There are witnesses to this. Paterno did NOT just report to his superiors and DID go to LE and consulted a lawyer as to what to do. There are MANY MANY aspects abd facts NOT being reported or made public yet. Was/is Paterno viewed as God on campus? Damn right. 61 years of his life and countless good deeds which HE and HIS family did from the goodness of their hearts? He deserved to be respected and honored. But he did NOT control all of the comings and goings on campus allowing Sandusky to do as he pleased. Paterno was head coach. Not the damn president or board of trustees. As such, his control WAS LIMITED! THINK! Who was the ultimate person at the PSU helm? Spanier......now sleuths....FOLLOW THAT CLUE!

BBM I believe the part I bolded for sure.

 

[RR0004]

If my kid were at school there I would be a lot more concerned about:

a) was there ever anything that affected him? I know Sandusky was gone, but obviously the school is a safe place for violent sexual predators to bring their victims.

b) the potential for him being mixed up in the violence of the riots

c) what kind of life lessons he's learning from his fellow students and some of the adults who think a football game is more important than the lives of the victims - victims who might NOT have been victims if McQueary or Paterno or the rest of them grew a set and acted like the decent men we thought they were.


Sure, we'd all like to look forward to something on Saturday. But Copernicus called just now to remind us that the world does not revolve around these kids having a fun football Saturday. That is so far down the list of what's important here!

Not if you're the students, lol...and let me tell you what these students do on a yearly basis-like no others- they collect millions for charity...http://www.thon.org/ There are some pretty great students in State College.
And, of course I want them to be safe...same as I did after 9/11, same when students went missing from their campus, same when others were killed off campus. They are developing a social conscience...becoming increasingly more aware of the world around them...but on Saturday...I hope, as their mother, that they're having fun and watching some good college football.
JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

If I had witnessed a grown man raping a child, in a shower room, you can bet I wouldn't have been walking outta there alone. I would have taken that child with me and delivered the boy to LE myself. The perp would have to kill me, to stop me.

 

[Salem]

I'm locking for 5 minutes while I do some cleanup. Hang tight and the thread will be right back!

Salem

 

[Salem]

Okay Guys - We need to CALM DOWN in here. Please do NOT quote and respond to posts that you know are against TOS! Alert them please.

This is going to be a very touchy thread. Try to remember this story is still breaking, we don't have all the facts, but it sounds like they are coming so let's wait for them.

Remember Attack the post, NOT the poster! We can respectfully have differences of opinion.

If it is getting to be too much - take a walk, visit another thread, come back when you have calmed down a bit. I will post a link to the rules - everyone go take a look at them and especially the thread about dealing with your fellow posters. Rules are right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=159"]The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Fellow poster thread is right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91915"]Best Practices Dealing with your fellow posters - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


Deep Breath! Here we go,

Salem

 

[mahmoo]

Penn State's Mike McQueary placed on administrative leave

Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary, who remains a key figure in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, has been placed on administrative leave, new Penn State president Rodney Erickson said Friday.

He also said the decision was made by the Penn State athletic department. McQueary's administrative leave is paid.