Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #17

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We do have a member who is local in Peru, hopefully the member will sign on and help us all out with the currency at the casino.
 
for those of you concerned about JVFS wiggleability, you need to remember where he is. and, more importantly, where he is not.

he is not in Aruba, america or Holland.

end of story. end of JVDS.

except its even worse. he has "allegedly" killed a daughter of the ruling class. The evidence is overwhelming. he has already lied about it, not to mention flight. and now he is lying about his lies: they tricked me into confessing. if it is true that leniency comes with confessing in Peru, then it probably works the other way around. so his new story about his "tricked" confession can only drive the nails deeper into his coffin.


as for AVDS, I have no sympathy for her. had she done what she should have done 5 years ago, everyone would be better off right now, including JVDS.
 
costalpilot said:
for those of you concerned about JVFS wiggleability, you need to remember where he is. and, more importantly, where he is not.

he is not in Aruba, america or Holland.

end of story. end of JVDS.

except its even worse. he has "allegedly" killed a daughter of the ruling class. The evidence is overwhelming. he has already lied about it, not to mention flight. and now he is lying about his lies: they tricked me into confessing. if it is true that leniency comes with confessing in Peru, then it probably works the other way around. so his new story about his "tricked" confession can only drive the nails deeper into his coffin.


as for AVDS, I have no sympathy for her. had she done what she should have done 5 years ago, everyone would be better off right now, including JVDS.
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I agree with you but I did just have a thought about AVDS and how she handled the situation. If the stories we have heard about Joran's father assisting him in disposing of the body or even if he just knew what Joran had done, that meant AVDS would have to admit her husband was also as bad as her son. She not only would lose a son, but a husband as well. Her whole life would be a sham. jmo
 
Just a little something I have observed, people like to play Cash, not always chips.
When playing for cash, one currency is used.
The dealer will call out, CASH PLAYS to the pit boss.
It is possible SF played with cash sometimes.
If so, there is no way to get a correct reading on her or Joran's losses or winnings.

IMO
 
There's gonna be an exclusive interview with Anita van der Sloot on Dutch TV tomorrow. Don't know if anyone is interested but I'll keep you updated!
 
Columbo said:
Just my opinion, of course, but I don't think this murder was planned out in advance. He doesn't seem that methodical to me. I certainly could be wrong.
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No but he seems like someone who is always hedging his bets. If his plan was to get money from Stephany, and she became "uncooperative" at some point, maybe he had that option at the back of his mind and was doing a little setting up and checking things out just in case.

The story of the robbery that he told to his mother, days before the murder, just doesn't make sense to me. Especially since he actually used that story with the Chilean LE. Add in the possibility of the tidal charts and it gets even more strange.

If the tidal charts don't exist, then the robbery story could have just been a ruse to try to get money out of his mother and she's not bothering to mention that part of the conversation in her interviews with the Dutch news media. I would imagine that if he had told her he was robbed, desperate and in need of money to get hom... and she refused...she would feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about what ultimately happened and might not want to mention that to the press. And since he already told the robbery story to his mother, it would make a good lie to tell the Chilean police I suppose. Well in his mind anyway. That's the only other way I can make sense of it.
 
newone said:
What about (a) possession of stolen property and
(b) skipping out on a hotel bill? (that's theft too I believe):twocents:
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Good questions.....I hadn't thought about that.....

but wonder if that would fall into obstruction of justice....which I think is revelent in his changing and lying when he answers questions that is put to him by this Judge.....I may be wrong I don't know.
 
According to this report, there was a translator from the Dutch embassy with him when VDS gave his confession:

"Van der Sloot ... gave his confession in Dutch, which was translated into Spanish by a translator from the Dutch Embassy."

I'm sure the Dutch translator was also available to translate the confession document, written in Spanish, into Dutch for Joran before he signed it...so much for the 'I didn't understand' excuse IMO.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crim...-and-suffocated-Stephany-after-losing-control
 
FLNY said:
According to this report, there was a translator from the Dutch embassy with him when VDS gave his confession:

"Van der Sloot ... gave his confession in Dutch, which was translated into Spanish by a translator from the Dutch Embassy."

I'm sure the Dutch translator was also available to translate the confession document, written in Spanish, into Dutch for Joran before he signed it...so much for the 'I didn't understand' excuse IMO.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crim...-and-suffocated-Stephany-after-losing-control
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Good catch, FLNY!!
 
Kamille said:
No but he seems like someone who is always hedging his bets. If his plan was to get money from Stephany, and she became "uncooperative" at some point, maybe he had that option at the back of his mind and was doing a little setting up and checking things out just in case.

The story of the robbery that he told to his mother, days before the murder, just doesn't make sense to me. Especially since he actually used that story with the Chilean LE. Add in the possibility of the tidal charts and it gets even more strange.

If the tidal charts don't exist, then the robbery story could have just been a ruse to try to get money out of his mother and she's not bothering to mention that part of the conversation in her interviews with the Dutch news media. I would imagine that if he had told her he was robbed, desperate and in need of money to get hom... and she refused...she would feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about what ultimately happened and might not want to mention that to the press. And since he already told the robbery story to his mother, it would make a good lie to tell the Chilean police I suppose. Well in his mind anyway. That's the only other way I can make sense of it.
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You really make some good points here.

As you suggest, I think the purpose of the robbery story was to finagle money out of his mother. It's been reported that he was always saying he lost his wallet (or his wallet was stolen?) when he asked people for money. So that does make sense to me.

Supposedly LE hasn't looked at the computer, but do you suppose someone might have "peeked" at it and seen the tidal charts, and that info leaked out to the press? I honestly just don't see Joran as being that organized (to plan a murder and go buy tidal charts ahead of time), I think his brain is disheveled and he flies by the seat of his pants. Again--JMO!
 
Jean C. just reported live from HLN. It's not clear if the hearing is over yet but VDS's lawyer has left the prison and not returned yet. Jean C. said his car was surrounded by press but he just shook his finger at everyone and said no.

She also said at one point (probably not today) JVS's lawyer said he would not allow JVS to answer questions except to say he didn't know what he was signing. She reported the lawyer said has said he will not answer questions until the Habeas Corpus pending has been resolved.

Not exact wording but pretty darn close.

So I'm not expecting much to come from todays hearing. IMO
 
Okay... I hate to go back to the beginning here, but I wonder if Stephany didn't have any intention of hanging around in Joran's room for very long.

In his confession, he says:

... I got up thinking what to do. There was also blood on my shirt and on the bed. When I took my shirt and I pushed it hard on her face, until she was dead. Then I thought: now what? I left the hotel but the receptionist told me I had to move the car...

I would assume this is a high traffic area with no parking allowed except for maybe a loading/unloading space or a space or two for temporary parking.

It makes me think she wasn't planning on staying long. Maybe to quickly retrieve money she loaned him? Rather than hanging out for any of the other various reasons speculated.

I don't know what difference it makes in the scheme of things, if any, except to (maybe) narrow down her reasons for being there. Maybe I'm making something out of nothing??
 
I think it is safe to assume that JVS isn't going to be popular with other inmates. Now, with him saying his confession was coerced..... will not make him popular with the police. What's next....saying the guards pick on him? Making enemies in Castro Castro isn't wise.
 
Lori59 said:
I think it is safe to assume that JVS isn't going to be popular with other inmates. Now, with him saying his confession was coerced..... will not make him popular with the police. What's next....saying the guards pick on him? Making enemies in Castro Castro isn't wise.
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I think he'd also better hope that the Columbian hitman Ospina never finds out that Joran has complained about being imprisoned with him....the operative word here is 'HITMAN'!!!

At the VERY least, Ospina may not let Joran watch his tv any more...LOL!!
 
In Session Jean C.:

Hearing has concluded. JVS did make a statement, but only said his due process rights have been violated. Per Altez, they are waiting on the investigation to conclude as to a habeas corpus violation. Judge will make a decison on that Wednesday (they think). If it's not in JVS's favor, it will be appealed to the Superior Court in Peru. The habeas corpus violation goes to the illegality of his detention - based on his violation of rights.
 
suzihawk said:
In Session Jean C.:

Hearing has concluded. JVS did make a statement, but only said his due process rights have been violated. Per Altez, they are waiting on the investigation to conclude as to a habeas corpus violation. Judge will make a decison on that Wednesday (they think). If it's not in JVS's favor, it will be appealed to the Superior Court in Peru. The habeas corpus violation goes to the illegality of his detention - based on his violation of rights.
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if Altez's life was threatened before, he'd better start wearing a suit of armor if he ever prolongs this by dragging it to the Supreme Court!!

This is ridiculous...LE has all the evidence in the world to detain him!!
 
suzihawk said:
In Session Jean C.:

Hearing has concluded. JVS did make a statement, but only said his due process rights have been violated. Per Altez, they are waiting on the investigation to conclude as to a habeas corpus violation. Judge will make a decison on that Wednesday (they think). If it's not in JVS's favor, it will be appealed to the Superior Court in Peru. The habeas corpus violation goes to the illegality of his detention - based on his violation of rights.
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If I hear the words Amnesty International connected to this case, I will :banghead:
 
suzihawk said:
In Session Jean C.:

Hearing has concluded. JVS did make a statement, but only said his due process rights have been violated. Per Altez, they are waiting on the investigation to conclude as to a habeas corpus violation. Judge will make a decison on that Wednesday (they think). If it's not in JVS's favor, it will be appealed to the Superior Court in Peru. The habeas corpus violation goes to the illegality of his detention - based on his violation of rights.
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JMO but good luck with your habeas petition, Joran. A foreign citizen fleeing the jurisdiction is not exactly a candidate for pre-trial release.
 
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