Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #21

[21merc7]

Okay, say Joran gets a million dollar interview guess what? His inmate friends are all better at the game than he. That money would be blown through very quickly since they would all have heard how much he has.

I hope no media interviews him, ever, for any reason. If so, breakfast you ask? Beans and rice. Hobbies? Poker, but lost my winnings to my new friends here at my lovely new home. JMO.

 

[FLNY]

the way that lurigancho was depicted in the nat. geo. special the prison system in peru is practically destitute and the inmates run the prison by forming their pavilions of/from where the inmates lived on the outside. there was a "british pavilion" and also a pavilion made up of young boys that were first time offenders. but all of the pavilions had a distinct pecking order. these hierarchies looked to be similar to criminal street gangs or mafia type set ups. so i guess where im going with this is that i think that no matter if jvds manages to sell some interviews or not his family/mother will continue to provide funds to keep him safe and jvds will be recruited by the most powerful pavilion/gang in the prison and be protected by them simply because of the money that he can provide them with. jvds will then be the one being extorted. so, as long as he can provide protection money he will be fine - unless some entity can provide an opposing powerful gang with enough money/incentive to get to jvds and "do him in". even a small amount of money is probably A LOT of money to anyone in these prisons - making jvds a major chunk of change in the pocket of anyone who is receiving his money to protect him. someone will need to keep him alive in order to make bank and the country needs to keep him alive to save face internationally. for peru having him in custody may create the long needed attention for their suffering prison system.... im just rambling here - who knows, i just have a nagging feeling that jvds is a cash cow for everyone involved now(not the family of his victims tho) and i just hope that sf and nh get their justice first...


eta: i know that jvds is in castro castro, but they are both in peru so castro castro cant be that much different - i think it might just be smaller, not sure tho... if anyone still hasnt watched the nat.geo. special you really should check it out - very sobering. lurigancho doesnt even have gaurds because it is so poor and that is why the inmates run it. crazy... i know that they are all prisoners but to see the inmates that are too poor or have aids that are banned from the pavilions that have to rummage out in the garbage for food ... or the only other way that they get food is if a pavilion has extra food left over. just wow. makes our prisons look like the ritz... they dont even have continuous access to water... they get buckets until the water runs out and if you didnt get any then you just go without... some were collecting water in small potato chip bags... im all for prison being harsh - but this is just almost barbaric moo...

I read / heard that Castro Castro is somewhat similar...but I doubt as harsh. Peru only has the funds to provide guards to control the perimeter of the prison; i.e., prevent prisoners from escaping. What goes on inside is controlled by the prisoners.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Sources: Joran van der Sloot Seeking $1 Million TV Deal
Joran Van Der Sloot Offers to Tell Tale for $1 Million, Sources Say

By JOHN QUINONES, SARAH KUNIN and LEE FERRAN
July 1, 2010

Joran van der Sloot may be behind bars in an infamous Peruvian jail on murder charges, but that didn't stop the 22-year-old gambler from trying to strike it rich yet again – this time through a potentially lucrative television deal.

According to sources within the Castro Castro prison where van der Sloot has been held since his early June arrest for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, the Dutchman has attempted to sell an on-camera interview for $1 million. No deal has been made so far, the sources said.

Though he's in prison, a $1 million payout could still be extremely valuable, former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said.

"It gives him more power in prison, his ability to buy things, his ability to manipulate other inmates to get whatever he wants – being a taker," Garrett told "Good Morning America" today.

more at the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/van-der-sloot-alleged-extortion-plot-revealed/story?id=11061469

 

[selena]

You know selena - Turkey is not Peru and that case is over 40 years old. Griffin keeps beating that drum, but is it really relevant? LOL

Well, not really but we talked about the series Locked Up Abroad last night. Just a peek into what Americans experience when committing crimes in another country and the difference in the justice systems and penal institutions. Somewhat topical in a broad way. I always loved the them song...
sorry for the O/T

 

[selena]

OT sorta... Locked Up Abroad on NatGeo now. Billy Hayes from the real 'Midnight Express'.

LOL, I wondered why Billy Mays would come back from the grave to do a special. I had to google it.

 

[Peliman]

Well, not really but we talked about the series Locked Up Abroad last night. Just a peek into what Americans experience when committing crimes in another country and the difference in the justice systems and penal institutions. Somewhat topical in a broad way. I always loved the them song...
sorry for the O/T

Hi Selena... it's a very good subject, travel to other countries and what can happen. Even something simple like renting a car and getting in an accident. I don't always agree how other countries do things but have learned to be very aware and I look into every countries laws before travel.

Years ago and I don't know if it's changed. I read about Mexico because I wanted to rent a car and drive in the country without being guided. What I learned was if you had an accident in Mexico, everyone flees the scene. Unlike the US, I'm under the impression the Mexican police will arrest everyone at the accident scene.

Traveler's beware...

BTW: Thanks for the poker tips, I've had friends trying to persuade me for the last few weeks about going to a local casino. Since this case broke and what I've been learning, i think I may go but pass on the gambling awhile. Thanks for the tips you've provided.

 

[abbra]

Sources: Joran van der Sloot Seeking $1 Million TV Deal
Joran Van Der Sloot Offers to Tell Tale for $1 Million, Sources Say

By JOHN QUINONES, SARAH KUNIN and LEE FERRAN
July 1, 2010

Joran van der Sloot may be behind bars in an infamous Peruvian jail on murder charges, but that didn't stop the 22-year-old gambler from trying to strike it rich yet again – this time through a potentially lucrative television deal.

According to sources within the Castro Castro prison where van der Sloot has been held since his early June arrest for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, the Dutchman has attempted to sell an on-camera interview for $1 million. No deal has been made so far, the sources said.

Though he's in prison, a $1 million payout could still be extremely valuable, former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said.

"It gives him more power in prison, his ability to buy things, his ability to manipulate other inmates to get whatever he wants – being a taker," Garrett told "Good Morning America" today.

more at the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/van-der-sloot-alleged-extortion-plot-revealed/story?id=11061469

Any and all monies made by Joran Van der Sloot, his mother and any of their acquaintences for personal interviews on the Stephany Flores and Natalee Holloway Cases should be seized by the law and distributed to the victims families. Its time to stop the " bad guy" from profiting off the blood money of his victims. Anita Van der Sloot and others are just as guilty as others who benefit monetarily off the Holloway and Flores tragedy. If it can be proven that she and others are aiding Joran with this " made money," charges of aiding and abetting the criminal van der sloot should be filed against them.
Joran is entitled to a public defender so Mrs. van der sloot can't claim she has to pay for legal defense for her son. Granted, Joran is her son and she loves him in her own way but she should love the sinner but hate his sinning.
She needs to step away ( no matter how much she is bother by doing so) and let Joran learn to take his lumps like a man. Van der Sloot is a man/child who will learn fast enough that he can't wheel and deal his way to survival in the harsh Peruvian Prison System like he has done for the past five years outside of prison. When reality sinks in Joran won't be able to cry to Mommy to help him out of his predicament. He made his bed and the best thing Anita could do is let Joran deal with the consequences of his actions.

 

[Sanny]

I'm wondering how much has sunk into Joran's head...since he was asking for curtains for his cell. LOL which were denied.
Did he really think he was so 'special' that his request would be granted?

Is an Interior Decorator next on his list of 'wishes' ?
Just wonderin....rof now

 

[nervous_nellie]

I'm wondering how much has sunk into Joran's head...since he was asking for curtains for his cell. LOL which were denied.
Did he really think he was so 'special' that his request would be granted?

Is an Interior Decorator next on his list of 'wishes' ?
Just wonderin....rof now

im thinkin that it cant be that bad if all hes thinking about is curtains and reeling in a million dollar interview deal.... even tho the prison/accommodations are crap hes doin just fine, hes protected... moo

 

[Lola]

Thank you kindly. I prefer to take the words of one who lives there and has a record of credibility with me and others over one who visits there only.

YW - I agree, I also like to take the word of someone or several people who live there, that's why I consulted my family.

 

[Sanny]

im thinkin that it cant be that bad if all hes thinking about is curtains and reeling in a million dollar interview deal.... even tho the prison/accommodations are crap hes doin just fine, hes protected... moo

I totally agree with you on that......money and curtains....LOL that's about it.

 

[Sanny]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/01/peru.murder.case.memorial/index.html

Father of slain Peruvian student hopes others learn from her death.....said Mr. Flores

 

[la_cavalière]

If I understood the description of the law correctly, convicted criminals cannot profit from their crimes. But until and unless Joran is convicted, he can rack up the dough from interviews... is that right???

 

[TigerBalm]

I'm wondering how much has sunk into Joran's head...since he was asking for curtains for his cell. LOL which were denied.
Did he really think he was so 'special' that his request would be granted?

Is an Interior Decorator next on his list of 'wishes' ?
Just wonderin....rof now

Well, I think he is just trying to be like his neighbor "the clown", who had his curtains drawn when Jane went on her tour of Joran's cell.


You know kinda like the monkey see, monkey do thing.

* The clown doesn't make a statement to the judge
* The psychopath doesn't make a statement to the judge

* The clown eats the same food as other prisoners
* The psychopath now eats the same food as the other prisoners

* The clown has curtains in his cell
* The psychopath now wants curtains in his path ... :nono: not so fast there mr. psychopath

 

[Philly]

im thinkin that it cant be that bad if all hes thinking about is curtains and reeling in a million dollar interview deal.... even tho the prison/accommodations are crap hes doin just fine, hes protected... moo

He may not have it that bad right now - he probably still thinks one of his strategies will get him out of there. But, it will eventually sink in that he isn't going anywhere but where he is right now. Think about how stir-crazy we get (those in the NE) who are house-bound due to bad snowstorms in the winter. - How we can't wait to get out and about after a few days of confinement. And, our confinement consists of the comfort of our homes. Multiply confinement that by years in Peruvian prison - that is what he's facing. It will sink in and no matter how much money he gets his hands on, he will still be stuck in a hellhole. IMO

 

[selena]

Thank you so much! i really appreciate your help!

Hi Selena... it's a very good subject, travel to other countries and what can happen. Even something simple like renting a car and getting in an accident. I don't always agree how other countries do things but have learned to be very aware and I look into every countries laws before travel.

Years ago and I don't know if it's changed. I read about Mexico because I wanted to rent a car and drive in the country without being guided. What I learned was if you had an accident in Mexico, everyone flees the scene. Unlike the US, I'm under the impression the Mexican police will arrest everyone at the accident scene.

Traveler's beware...

BTW: Thanks for the poker tips, I've had friends trying to persuade me for the last few weeks about going to a local casino. Since this case broke and what I've been learning, i think I may go but pass on the gambling awhile. Thanks for the tips you've provided.

You are welcome. I learned as much as you did about the poker industry online and maybe when all this is said and done we can all sit down for a game of " Crazy eights".
:crazy:

 

[selena]

He may not have it that bad right now - he probably still thinks one of his strategies will get him out of there. But, it will eventually sink in that he isn't going anywhere but where he is right now. Think about how stir-crazy we get (those in the NE) who are house-bound due to bad snowstorms in the winter. - How we can't wait to get out and about after a few days of confinement. And, our confinement consists of the comfort of our homes. Multiply confinement that by years in Peruvian prison - that is what he's facing. It will sink in and no matter how much money he gets his hands on, he will still be stuck in a hellhole. IMO

If I understood the description of the law correctly, convicted criminals cannot profit from their crimes. But until and unless Joran is convicted, he can rack up the dough from interviews... is that right???

that's what it looked like to me. MOO!

 

[selena]

Thank you so much! i really appreciate your help!

somehow your thanks to daniel got dragged into my your welcome to Peliman.
thank you DABC for the transcriptions- not trying to ride your coattails.

 

[TigerBalm]

If I understood the description of the law correctly, convicted criminals cannot profit from their crimes. But until and unless Joran is convicted, he can rack up the dough from interviews... is that right???

Unfortunately, yes


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[Sanny]

Well, I think he is just trying to be like his neighbor "the clown", who had his curtains drawn when Jane went on her tour of Joran's cell.


You know kinda like the monkey see, monkey do thing.

* The clown doesn't make a statement to the judge
* The psychopath doesn't make a statement to the judge

* The clown eats the same food as other prisoners
* The psychopath now eats the same food as the other prisoners

* The clown has curtains in his cell
* The psychopath now wants curtains in his path ... :nono: not so fast there mr. psychopath

Tiger......you got it.....I totally forgot about the 'clown's' curtains being
drawn when JC visited Joran's cell......:doh:

thanks for bringing that to my attention.....

As for the rest of what you posted here.....it's something like.....Monkey see, Monkey do.