GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #22

[Cottages]

With all JVS' pathological issues, the simplest explanation might easily that gambling addiction might be the core pathology here. (JMO).....Again, just how I see things from what I've read.

Welcome Corq!

I think JVS's problems are a little more complex. Many people with addictions are otherwise harmless. Harmless ones are the ones that would be more likely to be the people with a gambling addition as their "core issue." Such an addiction does not explain:

[Mayo Clinic]
Signs and symptoms of antisocial personality disorder may include:

Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit
Using charm or wit to manipulate others
Recurring difficulties with the law
Repeatedly violating the rights of others
Child abuse or neglect
Intimidation of others
Aggressive or violent behavior
Lack of remorse about harming others
Impulsive behavior
Agitation
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior

...which JVS exhibited long before he became a gambling addict according to other statements/reports (which would be a "conduct disorder" diagnosis in his youth).

By the way, in the psychology world, the term "impulsive behavior" includes addictions. In other words, ASPD's tend to have addictions (and act impulsively in other ways).

 

[Lola]

Given the record of peru21 on their previous stories...big grain of salt on total accuracy - but here it is

Analyzed laptop Joran van der Sloot

Translation

Will know if hiding Natalee Holloway case information. Judge Carlos Moreno, head of the Fourth Court for Inmates in Jail, ordered to analyze the information contained on the laptop of Joran Van der Sloot.

Moreno instructed them that to the experts High-Tech Police to determine whether there emails or any indication about the murder of the American Holloway in Aruba.

The Dutchman said Stephany Flores killed because the girl came across information implicating him in the high-profile crime of 2005. The psychiatric examination of Van der Sloot would culminate in the coming days.

 

[FLNY]

I agree that there are probably some things regarding the money that has not been released. A smart prosecution team would absolutely not reveal all they know. In fact, they would reveal *only enough* to stave off any accusations that they were being biased towards a foreigner.

Prosecutors here in the U.S. certainly would have reviewed all of the casino tapes to ascertain how much SF and JVS had won AND lost in the preceding days as well as deposits/withdraws in SF accounts.

And I agree that JVS was probably attempting to account for ill-gotten money from SF. Since he left his credit cards in a Chile hotel, either he forgot them or planned to return to that hotel room? Makes me wonder if he buried money around that hotel...or hid it in the box spring...pure speculation, but with JVS, nothing would seem far-fetched (well, except that he was set-up, that's more than far-fetched).

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Regarding his hotel room in Chile:

On Thurs., June 3, JVDS "was arrested by agents of the Investigative Police of Chile. The subject was on board a taxi to Santiago. It came from Viña del Mar, where he stayed in a guesthouse during the last few hours, having fled Peru."

http://translate.google.com/transla...ia/hoy-entregan-al-sicopata/2010-06-04/276619

On Fri., June 4, "the prefect Fernando Ovalle, head (s ) Aliens of the PDI, revealed that the man was taken to Viña del Mar, where he [had] spent Wednesday night, to seize [his] clothes and electronic species, but the measure [was] not successful, because the detainee forgot the address of the place where he slept."

http://translate.google.com/transla.../detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=417128

With his history of lying, I find it hard to believe that he didn't remember where he had stayed. So, perhaps he had left incriminating evidence in that guest house (i.e., credit cards, money, etc.) that he did not want the LE to find. If he left clothes, etc. there, it would seem he had never checked out and had been planning to return. After all, Vina del Mar is a gambling spot.

I'm sure the Chilean LE would have tried to locate his room after he was expelled to Peru and charged with murder. Perhaps they located a large sum of money, which is why the Peruvian LE were questionning JVDS about the money.

Oh, another thought, could the 'electronic species' (poor translation!!) have been the Wii game that was taken from SF's car??!!?? :waitasec:

JMHO

 

[FLNY]

Given the record of peru21 on their previous stories...big grain of salt on total accuracy - but here it is

Analyzed laptop Joran van der Sloot

Translation

Will know if hiding Natalee Holloway case information. Judge Carlos Moreno, head of the Fourth Court for Inmates in Jail, ordered to analyze the information contained on the laptop of Joran Van der Sloot.

Moreno instructed them that to the experts High-Tech Police to determine whether there emails or any indication about the murder of the American Holloway in Aruba.

The Dutchman said Stephany Flores killed because the girl came across information implicating him in the high-profile crime of 2005. The psychiatric examination of Van der Sloot would culminate in the coming days.

I thought it was reported that the court submitted the laptop for analysis way back when JVDS was first turned over to the court in early June. Could the courts actually be moving this slowly?? Guess we've already read that they do...but this is crazy!! :banghead:

MOO

 

[Lola]

FLNY, perhaps it's that the analysis is also almost complete or the analyst is to appear before the judge, but peru21 was the same source with the Joe Tacopina story that started all "that" hubbub.

I'm still waiting for the foreign lawyers to show up.

 

[FLNY]

I'm still waiting for the foreign lawyers to show up.

Tomorrow's the big day - July 15!!! Don't hold your breath!! :rolling: :rolling:

 

[asiabrasil]

With his history of lying, I find it hard to believe that he didn't remember where he had stayed. So, perhaps he had left incriminating evidence in that guest house (i.e., credit cards, money, etc.) that he did not want the LE to find. If he left clothes, etc. there, it would seem he had never checked out and had been planning to return. After all, Vina del Mar is a gambling spot.

I'm sure the Chilean LE would have tried to locate his room after he was expelled to Peru and charged with murder. Perhaps they located a large sum of money, which is why the Peruvian LE were questionning JVDS about the money.

Oh, another thought, could the 'electronic species' (poor translation!!) have been the Wii game that was taken from SF's car??!!?? :waitasec:

JMHO
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Very interesting FLNY. That relatively simple hypothesis would indeed explain a lot of things, including several things her father has said. I had kind of blown off the stuff left in the Chile hotel room as inconsequential since it's never been mentioned it was found let alone what it was. Good sleuthing!

 

[jilly]

Is there a link for AVDS and her son(s) taking in the World Cup?

 

[Peliman]

On another note about the money. Peruvian LE has Charged VDS with murder and robbery if I remember correctly. From the media links, I think the robbery will become a mitigating factor leading to a 35 yr sentence. Heads up to a possible parole system in Peru...

Associated Press
2010-06-12 05:29 AM
Taiwan News

Police say Van der Sloot brutally murdered Flores three days after meeting her at a casino. He broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot took about $300 worth of Peruvian currency ($104.00 US), two credit cards and Flores' national ID card, Guardia said. He said the suspect abandoned her car in a lower-class Lima neighborhood before fleeing south to Chile by bus.


http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1285805&lang=eng_news

 

[asiabrasil]

Is there a link for AVDS and her son(s) taking in the World Cup?

Some photos here in reply #1841 that someone found on facebook.

 

[FLNY]

I was just re-watching the 9 video series of Ricardo Flores' TV interview posted on the media thread. On tape #3, he confirms that Stephany did play poker with Joran on Friday night. I don't know if we have ever seen that reported before.

He also says there were 2 outgoing calls on her cell phone to an unknown mobile phone that LE were investigating. But that they had not yet received a record of the incoming calls that weekend....by now, LE must have that info also.

So, there's a definite possibilty that SF had made plans to meet JVDS at the casino early Sun. morning.

MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Your list is fascinating! I'm intrigued by his gambling and how JVS mimics the "last great international playboy" high risk behavior that you mention:



With all JVS' pathological issues, the simplest explanation might easily that gambling addiction might be the core pathology here. (JMO)

Think: casino gambling, gambling with the law, etc. The pathological thrill of high risk. Gambling addicts will tell you its a drug, and most addicts know that you eventually need more and more drugs to get the high; for JVS, that drug is "high risk".

JVS escalates it to an epic proportion of course, but that's what addiction and (opportunity) provided. The risk in the killing in Aruba, the risk in hiding evidence, the risk in flouting the law, then then rush that first came with seemingly getting away with it in Aruba. The 'getting away with it,' in itself, probably escalated his need to proverbially 'raise the stakes', in a new place. To me this is JVS' deliberate gambling/risk/thrill pathology.

Again, just how I see things from what I've read.

Also, perhaps, the risk of using date-rape drugs to rape young women without consequences. Maybe it wasn't the rape but the "action," as my sports gambling friends call the thrill they get from betting.

 

[asiabrasil]

jilly... The pictures that I saw came from Facebook (not sure whether it was Anita's or someone else's) and were posted on another forum. I don't think I can post the link here.

Thank you for trying for me - "server can't be found". That's ok - I tried everything -looking for a link here, googling and even went to the media thread, lol but couldn't see anything. Too bad I missed it!

Thanks to you too suzihawk!

I hope I didn't break a rule by trying to post a link to another forum. It's the only place I've seen the photos. I'm definitely not a member there. I do skim it because often one of their members will find and translate breaking news about the case a day or so before I see it elsewhere. If the mods say it's OK, I will tell you how to find the photos.:blushing:

 

[Salem]

Please remember when you post a link - if it comes up with asteriks, instead of the site name - it is not allowed here.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Welcome Corq!

I think JVS's problems are a little more complex. Many people with addictions are otherwise harmless. Harmless ones are the ones that would be more likely to be the people with a gambling addition as their "core issue." Such an addiction does not explain:

[Mayo Clinic]
Signs and symptoms of antisocial personality disorder may include:

Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit
Using charm or wit to manipulate others
Recurring difficulties with the law
Repeatedly violating the rights of others
Child abuse or neglect
Intimidation of others
Aggressive or violent behavior
Lack of remorse about harming others
Impulsive behavior
Agitation
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior

...which JVS exhibited long before he became a gambling addict according to other statements/reports (which would be a "conduct disorder" diagnosis in his youth).

By the way, in the psychology world, the term "impulsive behavior" includes addictions. In other words, ASPD's tend to have addictions (and act impulsively in other ways).

Jonathan Kellerman's book Savage Spawn notes that psychopaths also have issues with their level of arousal, that they need extreme experiences in order to "feel," thus the need for taking risks, seeking notoriety, pushing beyond the boundaries of law and society, and eventually escalating their antisocial behaviors.

 

[LookingUp]

Jonathan Kellerman's book Savage Spawn notes that psychopaths also have issues with their level of arousal, that they need extreme experiences in order to "feel," thus the need for taking risks, seeking notoriety, pushing beyond the boundaries of law and society, and eventually escalating their antisocial behaviors.

Yep, escalating their antisocial behaviors to brutality and murder!

 

[FLNY]

Well, July 15 has come and almost gone and no sign of Joe Tacopina and the other 'foreign' lawyer in Peru!!

Guess poor Maximo Alvez is going it alone....unless JT is advising from afar!!

 

[suzihawk]

Well, July 15 has come and almost gone and no sign of Joe Tacopina and the other 'foreign' lawyer in Peru!!

Guess poor Maximo Alvez is going it alone....unless JT is advising from afar!!

Yup... awfully quiet, eh? Like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

Patience has never been one of my better virtues. I need some news, dammit!

 

[asiabrasil]

Does anyone know/remember how the taxi drivers were identified so quickly? I imagine Joran had their info with him? so he could supposedly get his property back from them in exchange for cash later, but I don't remember hearing that...

The whole taxi story makes zero sense to me - if he did have a bunch of SF's money with him. Why on earth would he tell them he killed someone AND not use some of the money to pay them to get away? Did he think he could just go next door to Chile and resume gambling at a new casino? His escape attempt is almost more bizarre than the crime itself.

 

[georger]

Yup... awfully quiet, eh? Like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

Patience has never been one of my better virtues. I need some news, dammit!

Me neither. Me too!

But I did get news this morning that a cold case project Ive been
working on has been nominated for an Emmy. :dance: So Im mello and
a bit pleased with myself tonight.