Kamille
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Odd how it all adds up to the same 15,000 isn't it?
JMO
Yes... but why does he try to explain away another $15,000? :waitasec:
Odd how it all adds up to the same 15,000 isn't it?
JMO
Isn't it true that premeditation can occur literally within minutes before the actual deed? If, in his eyes, she did something that ticked him off and because of it, he decided to kill her, isn't that still premeditation?
Some people have thought that possibly the FBI froze that account immediately, the one where the 15,000 was wired to. I have no way of knowing for sure, but wouldn't that be common practice by FBI? So as not to lose all the money?
But up until the moment he killed Stephany the FBI was supposedly trying to gather more evidence in order to build their case. That's what they said in answer to why they didn't act sooner, IIRC. If they froze the money, it would have tipped him off so I'm thinking they wouldn't do that. Just a guess, though.
Isn't it true that premeditation can occur literally within minutes before the actual deed? If, in his eyes, she did something that ticked him off and because of it, he decided to kill her, isn't that still premeditation?
I also noticed in this recent translation that she was no longer actually "planning" to have Joran sent to a facility but was rather only "thinking" about it. I guess she couldn't come up with any proof of anyone in the mental health field that she had discussed this with?
I'm wondering now why we needed a translation from Spanish when Anita gave her interview in Dutch and English. Initially what we saw wasn't the whole of the interview as I noted from other Dutch posters elsewhere. So was the whole of it translated to Spanish and then to English? I'm just wondering if meanings were lost and added that way?
Was there a full Dutch/English translation here and I missed it?
and I hope you feel it good for a while, everything you have done, and not only for these people who have lost their children, but also for the rest of your family, who now also sort of are getting the victims of his ridiculous behaviour.
I wonder if we will ever know if the 'Mongoloid' email is real.I tend to agree with you on this jwarner regarding the timing of this event. I don't think Joran was particularily aware of the date in regards to the anniversary of the disappearance of NH. He likely knew it was close but I don't think he put it together. In fact, as I inquired in my above post, he may have been off a day in the actual dates when he made his confession. He's been through 3 other anniversary dates without "snapping" that we're aware of. But on this particular anniversary, he happened to have a young woman in his hotel room, for whatever reason, who likely didn't think much of him after she learned of who he was and wanted to leave and get away from him. I can see this making him snap, especially if he was planning to use this new friendship to his advantage.
MOO
Although I can't cite it because it comes from another forum, I can't dismiss the reports that she sent messages of good wishes for his future to him via facebook AFTER he left for Peru. That doesn't sound like a mother that's very concerned about her son's severe psychiatric condition.
Van der Sloot Update: Where is Stephany Flores' Missing $11,000?
NEW YORK (CBS) Police sources in Peru have disclosed to CBS News that Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot's alleged Peruvian murder victim, had won approximately $10,000 at casinos in the week leading up to her death and also had been given $1,000 from her father to purchase a laptop that she never got a chance to buy.
But police sources say that this money has never been found.
Flores reportedly kept her money in the glove compartment of her car. Police documents dated June 3 obtained by CBS News show the results of the search of Stephany Flores' car: no money was found in it.
Did Joran van der Sloot take that money?
The sources say that this was the true motive for the brutal murder of Flores: van der Sloot was after her money. Police say this means that van der Sloot's alleged murder of Flores was premeditated.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010376-504083.html
Thanks for the update! This is the first we've heard about money locked in her glove compartment, although I believe we figured, if she had a lot of money, it had to be in her car since she carried such a tiny wallet.
Somewhere weeks ago, I recall hearing/reading that her car was unlocked when found by LE in a 'bad' Lima neighborhood. I've searched and can't find a link anywhere, so it may be on the series of videos with her father. If it was in fact unlocked, then it seems anyone could have gotten the glove compartment opened in the day or so that the car stood abandoned.
And....I'm not even going to get into the issue of $10,000 vs 10,000 soles (approx $3400)....we kind of beat that to a pulp several weeks ago.... and it actually doesn't matter, since it's still a significant amount of money that's gone missing.
MOO
As unlikely as this may seem to some, I find it infinitely more plausible than the date being just happenstance. (Odds 1825:1) While I do think it's highly unlikely he planned to kill her, I wouldn't put it past him either.
Yes. Premeditation or Malice Aforethought can be developed in seconds (i.e., minutes are not required, only thinking about it before doing it). Laying in wait, is however, a different ballgame, but of course, also [very] premeditated.
If you go by his confession, Joran had two opportunities for premeditation. The first was just after he apparently elbowed SF in the face and she was bleeding. He decided to strangle her because he feared her calling the police. He then claimed to throw her on the floor but she was still breathing so he smothered her. I'd say these two actions alone would indicate premeditation that he intended to ensure that she was no longer alive, a premeditated action IMO.
MOO
Van der Sloot Update: Where is Stephany Flores' Missing $11,000?
NEW YORK (CBS) Police sources in Peru have disclosed to CBS News that Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot's alleged Peruvian murder victim, had won approximately $10,000 at casinos in the week leading up to her death and also had been given $1,000 from her father to purchase a laptop that she never got a chance to buy.
But police sources say that this money has never been found.
Flores reportedly kept her money in the glove compartment of her car. Police documents dated June 3 obtained by CBS News show the results of the search of Stephany Flores' car: no money was found in it.
Did Joran van der Sloot take that money?
The sources say that this was the true motive for the brutal murder of Flores: van der Sloot was after her money. Police say this means that van der Sloot's alleged murder of Flores was premeditated.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010376-504083.html
Will van der Sloot Ever See The Inside Of An Alabama Courtroom?
Birmingham, AL (WIAT)- As Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison awaiting trial for murder, some wonder if he'll ever set foot in an American federal courtroom to face extortion charges.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...-The-Inside-Of-An/-Q8hozRImEKXypyk5RYQUw.cspx
3. I know dip about gambling, so I need to ask for thoughts..How much do you think (cash) JVS had with him when he took off from Aruba? The whole $25,000, more or less? He had to have money left after the taxi cab adventure to pay for his keep somewhere and if he played at any casinos after arriving in Chile. Being smart he wouldn't have wanted to tell them how much he had and wanted to save his cash. (But if he was trying to get away why would he spending time in a casino?? In hopes of more winnings.. didn't care...thought he was safe and didn't plan on going to the Embassy or back to Aruba?) But it's JVS....so who knows.
As unlikely as this may seem to some, I find it infinitely more plausible than the date being just happenstance. (Odds 1825:1) While I do think it's highly unlikely he planned to kill her, I wouldn't put it past him either.
The money is really perplexing and I don't think we are being told everything. He was telling LE that the monies could be accounted for. I still feel EG or Mr. Green Shirt (same?) know more too. I'm chomping at the bits to know what they said to LE!!!! Just my "inkling".
AVDS--I'm more convinced than ever she and JVS are two peas in a pod in their calculating, scrupulous way of marketing anything and anybody for their own means. ...I don't think the word humble existed in this family's vocabulary.
Cottages, so in his confession, as Kamille has stated.....this would definitely be premeditated? TIA