POI: Joseph Brewer

[CriminalMinds]

Justin Canning, 20, who lives in the area, also recalled the last time he saw the woman.

“That was the last time she was seen. We saw her footprints in the sand. She was in a panic. We thought she was on drugs.”

-umm footprints in the sand? really?---this always made me go huh?hmmm

and if that's true why didn't THEY send police in the direction they saw her?

 

[CriminalMinds]

............thread bump............
and the thing that Brewer said to pix 11 still doesn't sit right with me... When asked about his reputation Brewer told the PIX 11 News, "I'll have to live with it, ***I've had a fortunate life***, I have nothing else to say thank you.'"
---"had" sounds like a dude feeling like he just got caught doing something and the gig was up ....freudian slip...?

:bump:

 

[PennyPie7]

I wonder if they called CVS to check percocet/oxycontin stock, in hopes that a friend could write a script for them. When CVS declined to give them inventory information of a narcotic over the phone, they/JB/Shannan ditched that plan and decided to instead pick up a few bags of coke from a known dealer in the complex. The friend wouldn't have to be CPH, it wouldn't even have to be an actual doctor since a lot of unsavory characters tend to have access to stolen Rx pads, either their own stash or a friend's, ESPECIALLY on Long Island in the past 5-10 years. This is all just speculation, MOO, things I've been thinking about for the past few years. Then the quick call to CVS makes a lot more sense, and so would the 15 minute trip since they wouldn't have left the Oak Beach area.

 

[deedee21]

Kellmore117 Im sure some of the answers can be found in the deposition. We may never know. Hopefully the 911 tape will be released one day. I doubt it though.

 

[CriminalMinds]

I wonder if they called CVS to check percocet/oxycontin stock, in hopes that a friend could write a script for them. When CVS declined to give them inventory information of a narcotic over the phone, they/JB/Shannan ditched that plan and decided to instead pick up a few bags of coke from a known dealer in the complex. The friend wouldn't have to be CPH, it wouldn't even have to be an actual doctor since a lot of unsavory characters tend to have access to stolen Rx pads, either their own stash or a friend's, ESPECIALLY on Long Island in the past 5-10 years. This is all just speculation, MOO, things I've been thinking about for the past few years. Then the quick call to CVS makes a lot more sense, and so would the 15 minute trip since they wouldn't have left the Oak Beach area.

cvs=likely looking for a late-night viagra fill, to go along with the coke-fueled encounter(that theymore than likely got on that trip INSIDE the complex)...all imho

 

[PennyPie7]

cvs=likely looking for a late-night viagra fill, to go along with the coke-fueled encounter(that theymore than likely got on that trip INSIDE the complex)...all imho

That's the reason I was thinking more along the lines of some type of painkillers. At CVS, viagara is no big deal. They'll tell you over the phone if they have it, since it's not a narcotic/controlled substance (though a handful of CVS pharmacies do keep it in the safe, but only a handful) and literally HUNDREDS of men bring in scripts every week for viagara (or similar drugs) and request specifically to pay cash for only a few pills at a time without even checking to see if the insurance will pay for it. Painkillers on the other hand, pharmacies are much more careful about, especially in the last 10 years due to fake scripts and addictions. Most pharmacies on Long Island will not tell you any inventory information over the phone and if they don't know you already, they refuse to fill a LOT of narcotic scripts, or simply say that they don't have it in stock ("we can order it for you but it will take at least a week..."). I would personally think more towards they were trying to pull something quick since time is money. If they were planning to run to CVS for a deck of cards, lube, condoms, I see absolutely no reason to call first. We may never know what transpired. But in MOO, I don't think they actually went to CVS (as per distance/timeline) and ended up ditching that plan, instead picking up whatever they were looking for inside the community whether it was coke or pills.

I won't cast aside the fact that MANY men have trouble with erection during drug binges, and yes perhaps he needed a little something extra to help him out. But Viagara can also take between 30-60 minutes to produce any effects, so I do doubt that he would make the call and then waste the time to travel there and fill a script for it (legit or not) and then take one and wait for it to work for him when he's already paying for her time. You'd think that if he set up an appointment like this (whether he called MP or SG) he would have known to an effect of the events to come and he would have been a little bit prepared for the night. Lube/condoms I guess I could see being an option and not having it on hand in case it wasn't necessary, but pills/cocaine seem to be more of a spur of the moment plan IMHO.

 

[marble]

A quick note about Brewer-
I've come around to thinking that Gilbert may have met with foul play but that her death was coincidental to the LISK case, but it happened to come up in convo w/ my sister last night that I am interested in this case (I try not to advertise the fact tbh) and it turns out she knows the Lost Girls author and even read an advanced copy of the book.

Without going into too much detail, she's of the opinion that Brewer is the most likely suspect, and that Gilbert and the GB4 are connected. I'm not insinuating that the author believes this to be true as he's tried to keep an open mind, as all good journalists should strive to do, but just throwing that out there for whatever it's worth.

 

[deedee21]

Where did Brewer work before he lost his job?

 

[hawkshaw]

If you read the Lost Girls book carefully you would have read where Brewer is quoted as saying: When the truth comes out there are going to be a lot of people with eggs on their faces.
What do you think he meant by that?

I have to admit I have absolutely no idea or inside information on how this investigation was conducted. But I do have some experience on how these things work based on what I read in the newspapers. It has always been my opinion that a lot of embarrassing information is being hidden from the public.

Richard Dormer made a special point of saying Brewer has been eliminated as a suspect. He said Brewer was most cooperative and even took a polygraph to support his innocence. I also know the SCPD uses polygraphs to their advantage when they desire a certain result. They use the polygraph to eliminate candidate for police officer that are in front of those they want to appoint. It is nothing more than junk science when it benefits them to use it.

I say again: I don’t have any inside information on the case. The best I can do is guess what may be going on. What I can’t understand is how and why the police were able to eliminate Brewer as the prime suspect in the death of SG and the GB 4. I don’t accept the police may be playing possum with Brewer waiting for a chance to nail him. You don’t go public ‘exonerating’ someone that you will one day have to arrest. It will make for a great defense should the time come you have to try this fellow. The way I see it is the only safe way to know this guy didn’t have anything to do with SG and the GB 4 is to have a very good idea who did these crimes. There is just no way to eliminate this guy at this point time.

 

[anya]

I wonder if they called CVS to check percocet/oxycontin stock, in hopes that a friend could write a script for them. When CVS declined to give them inventory information of a narcotic over the phone, they/JB/Shannan ditched that plan and decided to instead pick up a few bags of coke from a known dealer in the complex. The friend wouldn't have to be CPH, it wouldn't even have to be an actual doctor since a lot of unsavory characters tend to have access to stolen Rx pads, either their own stash or a friend's, ESPECIALLY on Long Island in the past 5-10 years. This is all just speculation, MOO, things I've been thinking about for the past few years. Then the quick call to CVS makes a lot more sense, and so would the 15 minute trip since they wouldn't have left the Oak Beach area.

Per the phone call to CVS - it could be as simple as one of them (my bets on Brewer) being friends or acquainted to a pharmacist / pharmacy tech who worked that location and were checking to see if they were working that night, et al... If you get my drift. Just an idea.

 

[anya]

One question we never answered about JB...why the CVS call from Shannan's phone and where did they go on the 15 m drive?

Perhaps one of them knew or were friends with a CVS pharmacist/employee there and they wanted to check that they were working that night so they could get something and/or meet up quickly?
JMO - just my thoughts.

 

[PennyPie7]

Per the phone call to CVS - it could be as simple as one of them (my bets on Brewer) being friends or acquainted to a pharmacist / pharmacy tech who worked that location and were checking to see if they were working that night, et al... If you get my drift. Just an idea.

If it's a CVS, then definitely not. They aren't going to get anything without a script (legit or fake) from a corporate pharmacy. I worked for CVS in the pharmacy as a Lead Certified Tech for over 7 years... They couldn't even swing by to pick up cheap antibiotics without a script (legit or fake) at 2am whether or not a "friend" was working. Forget about any type of controlled substances used to party.

 

[anya]

If it's a CVS, then definitely not. They aren't going to get anything without a script (legit or fake) from a corporate pharmacy. I worked for CVS in the pharmacy as a Lead Certified Tech for over 7 years... They couldn't even swing by to pick up cheap antibiotics without a script (legit or fake) at 2am whether or not a "friend" was working. Forget about any type of controlled substances used to party.

It doesn't necessarily need to be a controlled substance sold from behind the CVS Pharmacy counter...


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[hot cawfeee]

Would the Pharmacy Dept at CVS even have been opened at a late hour ? I know mine keeps pretty strict hours---is there security video of either Shannon or JB entering or leaving CVS ?

 

[giagreen]

Would the Pharmacy Dept at CVS even have been opened at a late hour ? I know mine keeps pretty strict hours---is there security video of either Shannon or JB entering or leaving CVS ?

Hard to say. My pharnacy in my town is 24/7 but I suppose each place is diffrent.

 

[mysteryattic]

This may have been hashed put a long time ago but this morning I was thinking about how odd it is that LE ruled out Joseph Brewer, even before shannon's body was found. They also ruled out john biltroff pretty quickly but never made a statement about John Bissett. In fact some claim, thst LE started the rumors that he was involved. I have also found it odd that the initials, JB are woven throughout this case. We even have LE with the same initials.

 

[hawkshaw]

Truth be told Mystery Attic, Spota had to come out to say Bisset was not a suspect. I SUSPECT he did so because people were starting to ask questions. What changed over the years with LE is the INTERNET. People can express their views and others read them.

There is a case right now in Suffolk County that has stirred some interest. A man was found dead in a somewhat ritzy place in Suffolk and the cops are saying the man died of natural causes. When the media requests the name the cops say ; sorry, Charlie, there was no criminal conduct involved so we ain't telling you.

 

[hot cawfeee]

do you have the name or town hawkshaw ? Am very curious......many people assume Long Island is so safe and ritzy.......not so true !!

 

[hawkshaw]

Centerport aka Harborfields. A lot of stories are being circulated as to how this man ended his life:
1. cop version: after a thorough investigation it was said there was no criminal conduct involved. The man fell down and may have injured his head and died of a heart attack.

2. The man, a 52 year old male who lived right near the location tried to crash the party of a Sweet 16 party to look for food. The father of the girl punches the guy out and he dies of a heart attack.

3. The kids at the party beat the guy to death.

4. It appears the victim was a NYC lawyer. The police refuse to identify him.

5. There were at least 5 marked police cars on the scene, at least 1 unmarked car, and a Crime Scene van, and the area taped off with the yellow tape. All this for a man that died from an apparent heart attack.

 

[MrsWard84]

As I am new to this case I have been researching all of the initial POIs to make sure I am up to speed with all facts and I have come across a page that states SG arrived at JB's property, spent some hours there, left with him and then returned a short time later. Does anyone know if this is rumor/speculation or fact? If it is fact do we know where they went and what they were doing and if they left on foot or in a vehicle? Sorry if this has already been cleared up a long time ago, as I say I am new to this case and just making sure I cover everything. Thank you!