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I believe the key is Shannon's leather jacket. This is the most durable item missing. If she was stripping off all her clothes according to LE's theory, the heavy jacket would have come off first. There are articles not available from 2010 that I suspect had clues written or leaked that LE did not want out and many of these early interviews are gone.

I could only find this old quote from 2010:

Her mother, Mari Gilbert, has said that her daughter's last phone call was “…23 minutes to 911 when she was grabbed and pulled into a truck.”.

I remember reading specifically in 2010, that Shannon's leather coat was found at entrance of the expressway, but this info is no longer around.
 
I believe the key is Shannon's leather jacket. This is the most durable item missing. If she was stripping off all her clothes according to LE's theory, the heavy jacket would have come off first. There are articles not available from 2010 that I suspect had clues written or leaked that LE did not want out and many of these early interviews are gone.

I could only find this old quote from 2010:

Her mother, Mari Gilbert, has said that her daughter's last phone call was “…23 minutes to 911 when she was grabbed and pulled into a truck.”.

I remember reading specifically in 2010, that Shannon's leather coat was found at entrance of the expressway, but this info is no longer around.

It is well documented that the officer who responded to the 911 calls from oak beach residents found a leather coat within the gated community and not near any highway.
 
It was found at the edge of the entrance of the gated community and exit corner of the highway, This information was in many articles from 2010 that are now nowhere to be found and was the ONLY piece of evidence I remember vividly from many years ago and that they mentioned more than once in 2010 that there was evidence she was taken or jumped willingly into a passing vehicle.
 
It was found at the edge of the entrance of the gated community and exit corner of the highway, This information was in many articles from 2010 that are now nowhere to be found and was the ONLY piece of evidence I remember vividly from many years ago and that they mentioned more than once in 2010 that there was evidence she was taken or jumped willingly into a passing vehicle.
All due respect but your description of the location suggests that you have never driven or waked through the community because what you see on a map is not what it is like when you do. The entrance to the community gate IS NOT to throw highway. You'd need backtrack all the way to the old Oak Beach Inn parking lot to get to the highway. She could have accomplished this by simply waking through Brewer's or Colletti's property ifor she wanted to get to the highway. That parking lot was always brightly lighted.

What is this fictitious "exit corner of a highway" that you described? Chances are, it was horrible reporting by the newspaper journalist who wrote it.
 
All due respect but your description of the location suggests that you have never driven or waked through the community because what you see on a map is not what it is like when you do. The entrance to the community gate IS NOT to throw highway. You'd need backtrack all the way to the old Oak Beach Inn parking lot to get to the highway. She could have accomplished this by simply waking through Brewer's or Colletti's property ifor she wanted to get to the highway. That parking lot was always brightly lighted.

What is this fictitious "exit corner of a highway" that you described? Chances are, it was horrible reporting by the newspaper journalist who wrote it.

There is no fictitious corner, I was simply writing what 'my' recollection was from articles many years ago. 'Where ever,' , the jacket was found, it led Mari and others who were officials at the time to believe she was running down the expressway. And of course I have not 'walked through that community. I am not from that community. And it was not horrible reporting, in one article Mari was also led to believe that Shannon was swiped of the road into a vehicle from some detail she was told was on that long call to 911.
 
There is one other interesting fact about MP that has not been discussed, the fact that MP is from Queens NY.

Truth Spider (mentioned that in the past) ...... but he never confirmed where that information came from. So it has never been prooved that he lived in Queens...

If you have a link could you provide one ..... because that has been a nagging question for alot of us...

Apart from SM linking him to Atlanta. .... the guy really is a bit of a mystery.
 
It is well documented that the officer who responded to the 911 calls from oak beach residents found a leather coat within the gated community and not near any highway.
Shannans jacket is missing. It was reported that SG jacket was in someones driveway for a couple of days before someone picked it up.
 
Question: when the site says, "43-White-M" are they referring to his current age, his age at release, or his age at incarceration?

Also, something to think about, is the man we know as Michael Pak, actually the Michael Pak in a legal sense. When it comes to issues of citizenship, visa's, social security #'s, etc, things can get funny. Maybe at age 9 he became Michael Min Chul Pak, got a social security #, and became legit, but the identity was really that of someone a few years older.

I have a friend from Korea who moved to Queens when he was about 10 or 12 years old when his father sent for the rest of the family: mother and 2 kids. He celebrates 2 birthdays a year because when the US gave him citizenship it botched the interpretation of his birth certificate or something like that, so he celebrates his actual birthday, and also the one that is on all of his identification other than his Korean birth certificate. So, technically speaking his age isn't accurate according to US docs, but it isn't as drastic as Pak's shituation.

Funny how Pak was released on April 1st. So much potential for the meanest April fools joke ever.
.... Bump this
 
Since people are creatures of habit and Pak has been using the alias PArK for several years, if he does have an FB presence, I would expect it to be under Michael PArK.

As for his age? This article ( link ) posted in April of 2011, states he is 41. Which would make his birth year 1970. His birthday would fall sometime after April 11th.
That year, while working for a Jersey City agency, she met Pak, who identified himself to Newsday as an escort driver. Pak, 41, had served six months in prison after pleading guilty in August 2004 to a federal charge of conspiracy to misuse a passport. He was arrested on May 11, 2004, at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport after flying from Zurich with a woman from China who had a U.S. passport in someone else's name, according to the indictment.

Importantly, and notably, from the above excerpt, is that he met Shannan while she was working for a Jersey City agency. My guess... Lace Party Girls. ( link )
In 2007, while working for an agency called Lace Party Girls, Gilbert, then 21, was caught in a Route 17 hotel sting and charged with engaging in prostitution, according to Upper Saddle River police.

It was through Lace Party Girls that she met Alex Diaz, a driver for the agency who made $400 to $800 a day. His record haul was $2,600 in one day, he said. Diaz, a 29-year-old man with dark, shaggy hair, said he and Gilbert became a couple around 2008.

[...]

In a long interview with the paper, Gilbert’s boyfriend tells of a stormy relationship marked by her drug use, abortions and a fight in which he admits breaking her jaw.

[...]

Even though Diaz was unemployed, Gilbert could afford new furniture and a plasma TV for their apartment close to the Grove Street PATH train.

So, this woman "becomes a couple" with driver turned pimp (Diaz), who is replaced by another driver (Pak). Which is, imnsho, reminescent of the way some Southern Cali gangs have been operating. ( link, pp 9-10 )
Prostitutes were not permitted to speak with or even look at other pimps, and may be traded and "gifted" among pimps. Other pimps were permitted to encourage a prostitute to work for him, and she was allowed to select, or "choose up" to, a new pimp, though generally she must pay a "choose up fee" to her new pimp for the privilege. The new pimp then informed the old pimp that the prostitute had decided to leave, which is referred to as "serving the papers." Long-term prostitutes frequently obtained tattoos, or other branding, featuring the gang moniker of their pimps.

[...]

Prostitutes who attempted to carry out their business without a pimp, known as "renegading," may be subject to punishment by any member or associate of the Enterprise, including assaults and robberies. Enterprise members jointly enforced the rules of "The Game" on prostitutes who were ignoring the rules, or "out-of-pocket." Adherence to the rules was enforced through violence, threats of violence, humiliation and other coercive means. Pimps known for controlling their prostitutes through force were known as "gorilla pimps," while those who convinced their prostitutes to abide by the rules without violence are "finesse pimps."

Bump this..
 
The age , 43, is his current age, based on his DOB. I checked with somone else that is listed in that database and the age shown was his current age.


Here is, I´m 99 % sure, "our" Michael Pak and his DOB: 07/05/1969 (5 Jul 1969):


People Search: PAK, MICHAEL born 07/05/1969

6 Matches Found (100 max.)

Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives

1. PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MICHAEL
PAK, MINJAE J

Available

WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
FLUSHING, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)


2. PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MIKE
PAK, MINJI
PAK, MIN J
PAK, MINJAE J
PAK, MINCHUL M
TAK, MIKE

Available(6)

RIDGEWOOD, NY
WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
NEW YORK, NY
BINGHAMTON, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)

Bump this also
 
MP claims he was sitting in front of JB's house the whole time. I never considered that could be a false statement by MP, until you bring out the point that SG called MP numerous times when he was supposedly just outside. Why did she not just leave JB's house and get back in the car with MP?

All along I believed that something in JB's house scared her, and it also made her fear MP, which is why she ran away from MP.


This is pure speculation but, what if MP left JB's house sometime after he dropped SG off, as he knew he would not be needed anymore.

SG gets scared and wants MP to take her away from JB. SG realizes MP because he is not in front of JB"s house, is part of the plan to do her in, and SG becomes terrified of MP now. When MP returns to JB's house, SG will not go with MP and runs away.

Sometime while SG was in JB's house she became sure that she could not trust MP, and all her actions that night were to avoid MP.

What did she learn that would turn on her trusted driver and friend?

The more I study this case, the more questions I have for MP.

MOO

Bumped
 
This Pak guy has a lot to answer for and we have had nothing. ....

He is a ghost..... He worked for the same company that Mr Ruis operated... same as Shannan......

Racking in millions a year for high price call girls who also delivered drugs....

So wished someone. ........in law enforcement would actually get off their......finger up to the establishment and expose this crap.....find the evidence....

Track the arse of pak......
 
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Originally Posted by Theforeigner
The age , 43, is his current age, based on his DOB. I checked with somone else that is listed in that database and the age shown was his current age.


Here is, I´m 99 % sure, "our" Michael Pak and his DOB: 07/05/1969 (5 Jul 1969):


People Search: PAK, MICHAEL born 07/05/1969

6 Matches Found (100 max.)

Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives

1. PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MICHAEL
PAK, MINJAE J

Available

WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
FLUSHING, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)


2. PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MIKE
PAK, MINJI
PAK, MIN J
PAK, MINJAE J
PAK, MINCHUL M
TAK, MIKE

Available(6)

RIDGEWOOD, NY
WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
NEW YORK, NY
BINGHAMTON, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)


Bump this also

Add to it Pompano Beach, Florida!

-Nin
 
I've been reading through the latest posts and have an idea. I know this is unlikely and borderline tin foil hat, but what if there is a group of people who get off on killing women and these girls have been victims of this? Maybe MP was some sort of provider of victims. I know this would be very high stakes to procure girls for killing but just a thought.

This idea may have some real merit, and has been suggested by other posters as well. When you consider the rumors of local law enforcement being involved in a cover-up it, your suggestion bears serious consideration.
 
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Originally Posted by Theforeigner
The age , 43, is his current age, based on his DOB. I checked with somone else that is listed in that database and the age shown was his current age.


Here is, I´m 99 % sure, "our" Michael Pak and his DOB: 07/05/1969 (5 Jul 1969):


People Search: PAK, MICHAEL born 07/05/1969

6 Matches Found (100 max.)

Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives

1. PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MICHAEL
PAK, MINJAE J

Available

WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
FLUSHING, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)


2. PAK, MICHAEL M (Age 43)

Associated names:

PAK, MIKE
PAK, MINJI
PAK, MIN J
PAK, MINJAE J
PAK, MINCHUL M
TAK, MIKE

Available(6)

RIDGEWOOD, NY
WOODSIDE, NY
VESTAL, NY
NEW YORK, NY
BINGHAMTON, NY

Possible Relatives:

PAK, MINCHUL (Age 43)




Add to it Pompano Beach, Florida!

-Nin


Hmmm.... Florida... .very interesting. Thanks NIN !
 
I've been reading through old threads and thought I'd bring back this post from July 2011. Specifically because...Over and over it's been reported that SG advertised on BP/Craigslist. So, why did Brewer contact Pak to arrange the "date" with SG??


"JB actually contacted MP for the date, not SG!!!! (Per theSuffolk County Legislature Public Safety Committee on 1/27/2011.)"

" and she had a driver who was contacted by an individual in the Oak Beach Association and she was taken there at approximately two o'clock in the morning."

http://legis.suffolkcountyny.gov/clerk/cmeet/ps/2011/PS050511.pdf

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...id-d-more-found-3-11-10&p=6880243#post6880243

Client "leads" may come from different sources during the night -- some replying to an CL/BP advertisement, some through an agency dispatch. Some through the girl's phone, some through the driver's -- depending on the lead. My guess is though Shannan had switched from "agency dispatch" business model to "online ad/driver" model there were still leads coming in to Pak's phone from his agency contacts. It's hard to tell -- especially since there were claims by Brewer that Shannan wasn't what he expected and she looked different in her photos (which would suggest he responded to her online ad). Also possible Shannan used Pak's number in her CL ad rather than list her own -- that way if a potential client called they'd reach Pak playing poker and not Shannan who may be with a client and not available to answer the call.
 
Truth Spider (mentioned that in the past) ...... but he never confirmed where that information came from. So it has never been prooved that he lived in Queens...

If you have a link could you provide one ..... because that has been a nagging question for alot of us...

Apart from SM linking him to Atlanta. .... the guy really is a bit of a mystery.

Here's a 2005 record for a "Minchul Pak" State of NY unclaimed property.

https://ouf.osc.state.ny.us/ouf/?x=7Go91l*PqbJ0DrohGKpYaQ

Wiki: Sunnyside is a working and middle-class neighborhood in the Western portion of the New York City borough of Queens.
 

Excerpt from May 5, 2011 Public Safety Committee of Suffolk County Legislature:

Chief Varrone: We had made up our minds that we were going to expand the search after the snow-melt and prior to the growing of the foliage in the spring, which we did. And that, of course, resulted in a find on March 29th by a Marine Bureau Officer who happened to be -- after we had done another extensive search in the Oakdale area -- again, we're still looking for Shannon Gilbert -- he's driving along Ocean Parkway towards the end of our search on that particular day and something catches his attention on the side of the road.
(BBM)

OAKDALE???

Is this a Varrone misspeak? Or a typo by the court stenographer who took the minutes and it was supposed to be Oak Beach?

Or is this a whole new piece of information?
 
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