POI: Michael Pak

[Anonymous19]

I was a former escort driver and I want to put my two cents in for Pak this is just my opinion, so in the industry they have something called robing the house and that usely happens when the girl wants to keep all the money, basically she just slips out the back door and more times then not she just gets fired from the Agency and if she does come back she is told don’t do that again or you can’t work with us. Now in my experience never would a girl in that industry go running out the house screaming they are trying to kill me so it’s very awkarded that occurred. I don’t think Pak has anything to do with this. But it just is to strange for SG to go makeing a 20 min 911 call in that industry if she was trying to take all the money for herself. Now just because SG had a driver doesn’t mean anything, people assume the driver is gonna protect the girl that depends on the type of person the driver. And I have heard story’s with girls who had drivers and they didn’t do anything now in that industy you don’t know what to believe but just putting it out there. Also I don’t wanna sound stereotypical many of the girls are decent people but sometimes they lie about things for no reason and it’s hard to tell fact from truth Pak may have just felt she was haveing a episode. Iam unsure what to make out the whole SG case but I will say this from my experience it’s very strange for her to have done that even if she was on drugs or wanted to rob the Agency. Never have I heard of a girl doing all that just to get away with a few hundred bucks.

 

[WINDSOR]

I,am unsure what to make out the whole SG case but I will say this from my experience it’s very strange for her to have done that even if she was on drugs or wanted to rob the Agency. Never have I heard of a girl doing all that just to get away with a few hundred bucks.

Anonymous19, thank you for your input. I agree with you regarding SG's behavior not being the result of drugs nor motivated by theft. I have always believed that SG's fear was rationally based on her beliefs from something she saw or heard at Brewers' house.

There has always been something that confused me, that I cannot figure out. If somebody at Brewer's house wanted to do SG harm, why did they allow SG have her cellphone and let her speak for so long to 911? The only thing I can believe is that Shannan, got through to 911 before anybody realised, and once 911 had locked onto her phone, they realised it was too late to do anything at Brewer's house.

Or did the people at Brewer's house decide to let Shannan, make her call to 911, and let her go. That way when the Police showed up at Brewer's house Brewer could say, nothing happened here it was just a big mistake, and Shannan was on drugs. 'When she left my house she was fine'.

This why it is so I am so interested to know who was in Brewer's house that night. Let us assume it is only Brewer for a minute.
He has brought in an escort to 'party'. They go together to the CVS to get some playing cards and 'lube'. After they return to Brewers house, Brewer notices Shannan calling 911, saying that someone is trying to kill her. If you were Brewer, what would you do?

First you would get Shannan out of the house, which is exactly what Brewer did, he went and got MP to get Shannan out of the house.

What would Brewer do next, once Shannan was gone?

Would he be destroying evidence if there was any in his house which was why Shannan was calling 911?

Would Brewer who was acquainted with MP, instruct him to make sure Shannan keeps her mouth shut if there was any incriminating evidence?

If something was very incriminating at Brewer's house then the answer to the above questions is YES

 

[Anonymous19]

Yea that’s a interesting point but like I said I really don’t think Pak is being instructed by Brewer his conversation with Brewer was most likely very direct and simple I really don’t believe he is in on it , I do think something is being covered up at OB but I don’t believe MP has anything to do with it. Now we don’t know if SG said anything to MP and a Judge told MP to keep his mouth shut because it’s a active investigation. I also don’t believe the original story that the police where traing dogs and just happend to find body’s, I think there where tiped off. I often wonder and this may sound far fetched if SG was LIsk mistake. He likes takeing risks an this was his big risk go after a girl with a driver. Alothoght iam not to sure if iam right. JB may have said something that scared her, What the police are saying and the way the police are acting with this case are two separate things, well at least in regards to SG, if everyone is cleard why not release the 911 tape. Now based on what your saying something had to happen once they got back into the house, It could all be possible, now I also heard the camera going into gigo was taken, so this is a tough one for me. I also wanna ad this don’t know if it belongs here but iam gonna do it anyway.My personal belief is that the police knew about a serial killer for a long time. And may not have acted when they should have for example. The girl who went missing in West Babylon if you drive down the street the main rd you have to take to get the the Ave she was last seen there are a lot of stores if she was taken in 2009-2010 this guy car has to be on one those camras because I believe there are only two was in. And they had camras then there are more now ofcouse but they still had them. So all they would have to do is look there now if they waited to long they may be taped over. I think there is a cover up going on

 

[deedee21]

Anonymous19, Thats to easy. LE is lazy. MB disappeared from the Bx. Theres probably several cameras in the area she lived. Missed opportunities.

 

[Anonymous19]

That’s what iam saying, let’s say LE knew something was going on and they where followin the patterns, when they heard they girl in West Babylon went missing why didn’t they immediately look at the cameras around the area. Could they have been lazy ? Idk. If so and they didn’t act when they should have that may be a reason for the cover up.

I saw this on the internet today not to sure what to make of it

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@azra/day-68-where-is-eric-braverman-or-long-island-serial-killer

 

[deedee21]

That’s what iam saying, let’s say LE knew something was going on and they where followin the patterns, when they heard they girl in West Babylon went missing why didn’t they immediately look at the cameras around the area. Could they have been lazy ? Idk. If so and they didn’t act when they should have that may be a reason for the cover up.

I saw this on the internet today not to sure what to make of it

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@azra/day-68-where-is-eric-braverman-or-long-island-serial-killer

Are you reffering to Amber Costello? She was never reported missing.
Alot of time went by before Maureens case was taken seriously. The tapes on area cameras may have taped over.
LE did check the cameras at the hotel where Megan stayed.
One thing is for sure. LE knows how each girl traveled to LI. Pings bounced off towers along the route.
The bridges have cameras. Melissa would have traveled over the Throggs Neck bridge or the Whitestone bridge. Scorpios link showed someone in intellegence was on Melissas case. Would it have been to tedious for them to check the cameras. Seems like that would be up their alley.
Unless she used public transoortation.

 

[Anonymous19]

Yes amber Costello , didn’t know that I thought the guy she lived with reported it because he felt something was off.Yea that’s what iam saying if they didn’t check with in a certin time it was taped over I think the killer knows this. Also I believe he was a regular client, so there has to be some trace, if LE could find the hotels they satayed at the killer may be on a entrance camera. Also if they where doing outcalls I would think they ither had a ride the first time to this guys house or took a cab, all this has some sort of trail I would think. Hopefully now the FBI is involved they are following those leads. But I heard from a cop that 4th amendment issues have to be taken into play with tracking and what not, this cop was like they may know who the killer is but can’t prove it. For some reason I think LE know more then they are saying. Now the thing is I don’t think they took public transportation all the way out from NYC to Long Island. It would make sense they went to Queens, Queens has been said a lot. It was said by one of the pimps where the girl found in manorville was going he said queens if you watch Killing season interview, and then when the killer called the other friend of one of the girls he said he saw her at a brothel in Queens. It makes more sense to me they went to queens. If it’s Queens he has to have a garage or something to transfer the body with out anyone seeing.

 

[deedee21]

Sara received a call. I wonder if she told Melissa, Maureens sister? I wonder if LE knows where the call originated?
Jessicas boyfriend/ pimp said she went to Queens. I wonder what area of Queens?
LE was not interested in this information. This is so wrong.

 

[Anonymous19]

Yea but we don’t know if LE isn’t saying something. See my guess would be to narrow down queens neighborhoods by looking at what areas people have garages in he would need that to transport a body. It ain’t like Long Island where everyone has a garage. Then look at the celI phone ping see what neiborgood in Queens he is closest to, do remember something being said about someone getting off in long island city. Also remover the FBI is involved now I gurentee they are looking into all that. Like I said it possible they know who it is they just don’t have the right evidence. O yea Jessica went to Long Island city I remember them saying and then was found in manorville. It’s possible he has a place in Queens and Long Island and is connected to jim Burke organized crime ring,

 

[Anonymous19]

I also saw something on here I think you where in the post it was about the medical devices in some victims and the male victims had medical staples something to that effect anyway what iam getting at is the information that was released about Tina figolia the one found in sagtikos pkwy her friend she was seeing was very secretive and he was a DR. So that’s a pattern , lisk convinces these girls to not tell anyone about him, he islotates his victims builds trust first. I think he’s a dr it makes sense or a dr is involved somehow.

 

[Anonymous19]

Well Gilgo is still under investigation , Iam
Not sure if people caught on to that, and Burke was being investigated on Gilgo I believe the Feds think it ties into his organized crime. So Gilgo or oak beach is still under investigation from my understanding. And the reason it took so long was beacuse they though she was in Jones beach

 

[JJJustice]

JP Claimed to be a doctor in his craigslists and backpage ads. He did not say doctor but he said he runs a practice and doesnt want what he is looking for from the women to disturb his patients. His practice is his martial arts school. I believe he feels strongly that he is helping them. Must be an extremely lost group of people

 

[Tugela]

I was a former escort driver and I want to put my two cents in for Pak this is just my opinion, so in the industry they have something called robing the house and that usely happens when the girl wants to keep all the money, basically she just slips out the back door and more times then not she just gets fired from the Agency and if she does come back she is told don’t do that again or you can’t work with us. Now in my experience never would a girl in that industry go running out the house screaming they are trying to kill me so it’s very awkarded that occurred. I don’t think Pak has anything to do with this. But it just is to strange for SG to go makeing a 20 min 911 call in that industry if she was trying to take all the money for herself. Now just because SG had a driver doesn’t mean anything, people assume the driver is gonna protect the girl that depends on the type of person the driver. And I have heard story’s with girls who had drivers and they didn’t do anything now in that industy you don’t know what to believe but just putting it out there. Also I don’t wanna sound stereotypical many of the girls are decent people but sometimes they lie about things for no reason and it’s hard to tell fact from truth Pak may have just felt she was haveing a episode. Iam unsure what to make out the whole SG case but I will say this from my experience it’s very strange for her to have done that even if she was on drugs or wanted to rob the Agency. Never have I heard of a girl doing all that just to get away with a few hundred bucks.

Well, it is not unheard of for people to have paranoid delusional episodes when doing drugs. Plus, you should not forget that SG's sister killed her mother during a delusional schizophrenic episode, and schizophrenia runs in families. Given her sister's condition and that fact that the chances of a sibling also have schizophrenia is about 12%, you can't rule out the possibility that SG had the condition as well. Put those two things together and the chances of her doing precisely what these guys claimed she did is not an insignificant number.

I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that SG just went crazy for a while, considering what she was doing and her family history.

 

[WINDSOR]

Well, it is not unheard of for people to have paranoid delusional episodes when doing drugs. Plus, you should not forget that SG's sister killed her mother during a delusional schizophrenic episode, and schizophrenia runs in families. Given her sister's condition and that fact that the chances of a sibling also have schizophrenia is about 12%, you can't rule out the possibility that SG had the condition as well. Put those two things together and the chances of her doing precisely what these guys claimed she did is not an insignificant number.

I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that SG just went crazy for a while, considering what she was doing and her family history.

If Shannan was 'crazy' for a while,I would think the 911 tape would clearly validate that opinion. All the police would have to do is say "Here listen to the tape, it is obvious that SG is in some sort of drug induced mental episode." This would take all the pressure off the police, and many people would then accept the fact that no crime occurred. However the police do not release the tape. This leads me to believe Shannan was relatively lucid and coherent. They could even release only portions of the tape (it is about 20 minutes long) if they want to protect some evidence.

You are absolutely right to speculate there may have been some psychotic event based on drugs and family history, but then again that does not preclude a murder occurring.

 

[WINDSOR]

Well, it is not unheard of for people to have paranoid delusional episodes when doing drugs. Plus, you should not forget that SG's sister killed her mother during a delusional schizophrenic episode, and schizophrenia runs in families. Given her sister's condition and that fact that the chances of a sibling also have schizophrenia is about 12%, you can't rule out the possibility that SG had the condition as well. Put those two things together and the chances of her doing precisely what these guys claimed she did is not an insignificant number.

I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that SG just went crazy for a while, considering what she was doing and her family history.

If Shannan was 'crazy' for a while,I would think the 911 tape would clearly validate that opinion. All the police would have to do is say "Here listen to the tape, it is obvious that SG is in some sort of drug induced mental episode." This would take all the pressure off the police, and many people would then accept the fact that no crime occurred. However the police do not release the tape. This leads me to believe Shannan was relatively lucid and coherent. They could even release only portions of the tape (it is about 20 minutes long) if they want to protect some evidence.

You are absolutely right to speculate there may have been some psychotic event based on drugs and family history, but then again that does not preclude a murder occurring.

 

[JJJustice]

Well, it is not unheard of for people to have paranoid delusional episodes when doing drugs. Plus, you should not forget that SG's sister killed her mother during a delusional schizophrenic episode, and schizophrenia runs in families. Given her sister's condition and that fact that the chances of a sibling also have schizophrenia is about 12%, you can't rule out the possibility that SG had the condition as well. Put those two things together and the chances of her doing precisely what these guys claimed she did is not an insignificant number.

I don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that SG just went crazy for a while, considering what she was doing and her family history.

Doesnt explain why she ended up dead under the circumstances her remains were found in. Next

 

[Vapor]

Imo.. I feel its very possible shannon could have been drugged that night and freaked out. No toxicology though, so i guess we will never know. But one thing seems certain.. if pak, brewer and whoever else was involved realized that shannon was under some drug induced paranoid psychosis, they would immediately realize after she called 911 that she could no longer be trusted... survival mode kicked in for these guys cause they knew if the cops arrived and spoke with her, all hell could break loose for them. So in their minds she was out of their control and had to be silenced. How that happened.. who knows. But considering all the drama surrounding that area in oak beach, its hard to accept that she just ran off and drowned.. that theory seems way to convenient for all the partys involved. We must remember too, that she did have a damaged hyoid bone which is consistent with strangulation. I think scpd gave the public a half truth when they said she ran off In a drug or mentally induced psychosis.

 

[Anonymous19]

I honestly think you guys are over thinking this considering the fact all the bodies where found on ocean parkway. And to be honest I don’t think it’s wrong due to that all this speculation. But I want you all to here me out here. This is my opinion on what happend based on being a former driver in the industry I have a few theory’s one something happend idk what but something happend because Shannon went out saying they are trying to kill me girls never realy make 911 calls unless something is happening and never really make 911 calls if they are trying to rob the Agency when I say rob I mean Agency gets a cut girl gets a cut and driver gets a cut of the donation. Now Shannon may have wanted to hustel JB and JB wasn’t playin into it when I say hustel trying to get more money JB tried to take the money back so SG caused a scene SG wasn’t gona let the client mess up her hustel he challenged her and SG panicked. Pak knee what was going on JB knew what was going on they where both like who cares let it go everyone go home it ain’t that much money JB was loseing why cause all this attention. Pak said comon Shannon no one cares let’s go home but SG didn’t buy into that she thought they where gonna get even so she panicked for no reason. Then she ran freaked out ran into the marsh got hyperthermia, took off her cloths because when you get hypertherima you get hot that’s what the profiler said. It just so happens that the bodies are buried not to far from where she was found. To be honest to me her doing that isn’t that far fetched to me. Shannon didn’t trust to get back in Pak car because she knew that he knew she was trying to hustel everyone that night, Pak probly didn’t really care nither did Brewer, but Shannon got Parinoid and thought **** what am Iam I gonna do then ran. This is something you would really only understand if your a cop or in the industy that’s why the info isn’t released to the public. And on top of that they have to keep things under wraps because there is a investigation in the area. We have to understand ocean pkwy is like a big main road they Oak beach residents live on a main secured road so it’s not uncommon to find a body there. Now if Shannon died in let’s say Babylon village by Main Street I’d say yea deffiently something goining on if you found bodies by Main Street but this is a seculed area these people live in.

 

[Anonymous19]

Basically shanon panicked JB and Pak both knew she was trying to hustel them but they both didn’t really care to much she didn’t belive that so she freaked out and did what she did what lead to her death. Police ain’t gonna say that that especialy in this investigation. Iam starting to belive now that Shannon death was natural. Now if she did this in Manhattan forget about it she would have gotten away with then money and there aren’t the elements to run into on her way out now don’t think it was the people that killed her it was most likely the elements. But that’s just a theroy I wasn’t there

 

[Anonymous19]

For the police to explain all that to the public is difficult and they may have to if they released the 911 call look people in suburbia Long Island don’t wanna here about this industy and what goes on and if this theroy is right and iam not saying it is the police would have to explain what I said. People don’t wanna here that.