Transcript section about dog:
DF: Why is everybody saying that you had something to do with his death? Why is everybody saying that you are capable of hurting him? Everybody says that. So don’t tell me that you’re not capable.
24:14
JA: I don’t even hurt spiders.
24:19
DF: Have you ever had any anger issues before? Never in your past?
24:25
JA: I’ve had arguments. Travis and I…
24:27
DF: Well, everybody has arguments. I’m talking about anger -- absolute anger where you lose it sometimes.
24:36
JA: No, I had a nervous breakdown once.
24:38
DF: Are you taking any medication or anything?
24:42
JA: Well I had a nervous breakdown when a boyfriend and I were arguing once and umm and he began to argue with me in a way that was totally different from how we had ever argued before, and he was just like, and every time I would say something he was like “Blah…Blah,” you know, it was kind of weird like, every time I tried to formulate a thought and I was just sad and I was crying, every time I tried to formulate a thought he would interject and then twist it and it was like the weirdest psychological thing that had ever happened, and the way I reacted was, I went into my room, this was the guy I bought a house with, I went into my room and shut the door. We had separate bedrooms, and I was in his room and went down the hall into my room and shut the door and I just remember hyperventilating, and that’s all. I don’t know. I was crying, and then umm…I went to get something out of my car and when he saw that, he umm… maybe thought I was going to leave, so he asked me for the key to his truck and pulled behind my car, because he thought that because I was upset that I shouldn’t be driving anywhere. That I’m nuts…Other than arguments, no anger issues – none I can remember.
26:00
JA: Oh… I kicked the dog once. I was a freshman in high school, and I love, love, love animals and one… we had this dog. His name was Doggy Boy, and my parents, until this dog that they have now, have never been able to and I don’t mean just them, we as a family, have never been able to care for a dog properly as far as give it attention or take it for walks or be consistent. Umm… so this dog stayed in the back yard a lot and stayed tied up on... in the shade.. with plenty of, you know, leeway. At one point, though, he was untied, and I took the trash out and he, and this is when my little brother and sister were still in diapers, and he tore, it was diaper trash. He tore diapers all over the yard, and, of course, I had to clean it up and when diapers get wet and they’re like jelly, spongy weird stuff.
26:56
DF: Mm hmm.
26:57
JA: and, I just… I got mad and I… I just kicked him with my right foot, and he just moved a few feet, and he didn’t yelp or anything, but he just went… he ran away and I never saw him again after that, and…I mean that’s probably an anger issue, I guess, but…
27:16
DF: Well, one time kicking a dog is not an anger issue.
27:19
JA: It changed my world as far as animal treatment goes, because… I just…I’ve never seen him since, and I need to apologize for that, to him, I know it sounds weird. My relationship with animals is kinda’ like, they’re like people, too, you know they have souls.
27:36
DF: What you need to do is, you need to apologize to Travis. But you just refuse. I can’t help you anymore if you’re not going to help yourself.
27:49
JA: You asked me why…
27:50
DF: I can’t. I can’t, Jodi. You can keep talking till your blue in the face. I can’t continue to listen to lies. Do you have anything else that you need to tell me?
28:05
JA: You asked me what I have been up to in the week since I got back…
DF: Mmm hmm.
28:10
JA: What did you mean by that?
DF: Just what…because I know this thing has to be weighing pretty heavy on you.
28:19
JA: I’ve been trying to put his death behind me. If I… if I did anything that had anything to do with his death in any way…
28:35
DF: It’s not if, to me…
JA: I wouldn’t…
28:38
DF: It’s not if…It’s not if…at all!
28:40
JA: Well to me it is. I would be more than remorseful.
28:45
DF: Is it maybe something you’re blocking out of your head?
28:49
JA: I don’t think so. I mean…I tend to write everything down. I tend to…I just finished the book, The Road Less Traveled,
28:56
DF: Mmm Hmm.
28:57
JA: and it said the true definition of sanity is dedication to reality at all costs. So, I think at times, you know, I may have, you know prayed, or meditated upon a certain way, you know, like me being umm…wealthy or something like that, but…
29:15
DF: Well, this is definitely reality. We are sitting here inside of an office in the Sheriff’s Department, and you are facing first degree murder charges…
29:30
JA: What is the difference…?
29:31
DF: …and you are going to be booked into jail, and eventually you will be brought back to Arizona, and you will stand trial. That’s the reality, and once you realize that, I think you’ll be better for it, and if you really wanted to embrace reality, you would sit here and explain to me why this happened, but you refuse. You refuse to…
29:56
JA: I don’t know why. I don’t know why he was killed. I don’t know why. I had issues with Travis. If anything, he had more issues with me. Umm…I’ve had worse issues with other people. They’re all still alive. I’m still friends with my ex-boyfriends. They’re all still alive.
30:14
DF: You know I’ve been doing this a long time and there’s one thing that I can never get out of my head, ever since the first day I talked to you. There’s an old saying that, you know, something’s just not acting right. Look into it. You have not acted right from Day 1. From Day 1 when I talked to you on that phone, I just sensed it. You just… you weren’t acting like somebody who used to love this guy, or who still loved him, even as a close friend, and even now when I told you that I have all this evidence against you and that you’re facing 1st degree murder charges, you’re...you’re just not acting right, Jodi. You’re acting like somebody who is guilty.
31:07
JA: How so?
31:12
DF: You tell me. I know because I’ve been doing it a long time.
31:18
JA: It’s not that I don’t…
31:18
DF: It took me a long time to figure it out, but within the first 30 seconds to a minute of a conversation I can… I know when somebody is acting right. There’s a certain way people act.
31:30
JA: How did I act that would make you think…
31:32
DF: It’s not like TV. It’s not anything like that. It’s not what you see in the movies. I see reality. When I accuse somebody of committing a heinous crime or, you know, something very serious, reality hits in and they definitely act a certain way, and that’s not you. You act just like everybody else who I accuse of doing a crime who did it. There’s no other way to tell you?
32:03
JA: Is it because I’m not crying?
32:07
DF: No. It’s not because of that.
32:10
JA: What is it? I mean I’m not going to change how I act.
32:14
DF: No. Obviously, you can’t change the way you’re acting.
32:16
JA: No, I mean I am who I am.
32:18
DF: Okay. You’re… you’re sincere in the way you’re acting, but uhh…
32:21
JA: Well, how is it…
32:22
DF: You’re just not telling the truth.
32:25
JA: How is it different?
32:27
DF: Well, it’s not really something you need to focus on anymore. I think you need to focus on the truth, but it’s something you refuse, so if you don’t want to continue, then we’ll just move on to the next step.
End of Video 4