Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[2Hip2BSquare]

I've wondered about what she must have been like in that moment because we never see that screaming out of control banshee in court or in interviews. She seems remarkably calm. It's so hard to picture! Do you think, maybe she wasn't a screaming banshee and instead was silent but stealthy like a tiger and its prey? And I wonder if she was talking/screaming actual words? What would she have been saying? The attack was one minute. So little time for words or sound. If only the camera had been a VIDEO camera! Wow. That would have amazing evidence if they could have captured sound, at least.

And no one has ever mentioned this that I'm aware of, but can you imagine what she must have looked like from head to toe after she was finished? OMG. Imagine if the camera had captured that. I wonder what she thought about how she looked when she saw herself in the mirror in that bathroom as she tried to clean up. It's unimaginable to me. Someone should do a photoshop of a sweaty Jodi, hair all over the place, covered in blood holding a knife. Maybe it would go viral and taint the next jury pool.

My question is, we know that she had a premeditated plan. How does she get herself to "switch" from the calm to the rage? To switch between BPD to psychopathy? Only the psychopath could do the killing, so what happens to the BPD? I know she doesn't have multiple personalities, but these are different sides of her personality. Did she remind herself of all of the horrible things he said to get herself worked up into that rage? While taking pictures? Just can't wrap my mind around all of this.

The psychopathic element that was involved with the planning of the killing is what kept her calm. Travis breaks with her, she stalks and her behavior becomes noticed by others.

When the mask begins to crack and the stalking behavior begins she turns from a functioning psychopath to a low functioning psychopath.

She is very low functioning at this point as a psychopath bc the issues with her dependence/obsession w Travis caused her to have a psychotic break.

When she killed Travis, that was her psychopathic self at its least functional.

I'm sure she was angry when she killed him. I'm sure all those impulsivities she masked so well came out when she killed him. And unfortunately only Travis will know what that was like. I can only imagine she was in a paranoid state and was eyes wide (you may notice she does this when she is looking at pics of Travis or talking about him - widened eyes indicate paranoia).

After killing him, she has complete hysteria as she surveyed the extent of the scene. Too hard to clean up. Not enough time to do it.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I follow - and agree with - everything you're saying here except your first sentence in red: The etiology of Arias is anything but clear.

Children hit their siblings ( I did, and was hit with items in return, once a rock). My cousin pushed me out of an apple tree and I broke my arm when I was 9; She later attended an Ivy League school and is happily married. Teens dabble in marijuana, etc.

I cannot accept that Arias was "born bad". Her family history has not I am sure been given in detail, regarding parental influence , neglect, etc.

The most pernicious need not be blatant like Travis' family (meth addicts, poor).

In fact, I know from first hand experience that there can be no presence of substance abuse, no real violence, no poverty, and yet mega-damage by parents.

She might have been born antisocial but too much is being assumed. Other than this, your analysis and theory about the escalation is sound.

There was no indication beyond spanking Jodi w spoons of physical abuse upon Jodi.

Furthermore, if she would have endured abuse that affected her significantly enough to destroy her personal emotional heartiness, wouldnt she have referenced it somewhere in her journals?

Ie) statements like "when travis yelled at me, it took me back to my dad yelling at me."

She loved to throw any shame on anyone to maintain victim hood. Blaming others is a huge trademark for BPD. She would have taken that opportunity in a new York minute - to talk about abuse that was extreme.

But there wasn't anything that was abusive enough for her to call upon for sympathy.

IMHO.

 

[Curious Me]

No problem! Glad to help. Pm me if theres anything you want to ask me privately about your friend.

Yes I believe many people who seem borderline are really just people that shift between dependant personality disorder and Avoidant personality disorder -


you just have to hope they dont have high narcissism and low empathy or else they might end up like Jodi (she is antisocial psychopath bc she has no empathy and is a narcissist - pair that with the Borderline personality swings & masking... Scary!)

You say your friend is a Borderline Narcissist?

In relation to our poll results, would you be comfortable letting us know why you view that friend as a narcissist? How does it manifest itself through their dependant or Avoidant behavior swings?

Your friend needs help. Meds are great, but behavioral therapy is the only way to truly help a BPD with narcissism. It's amazing. It helps the borderline learn how to correct their behavior and learn to identify their emotions and reactions to others properly.

Thank You so much for giving me food for thought.

My friend really needs professional help. I know meds would help, along with behavioral therapy.

I can't describe everything I'm seeing in her because I'm just not qualified to deal with it. This was suppose to be a friendship, not me playing therapist.

How do you make someone get help? What would you do as a friend to get someone "slippery", maybe even Jodi, into therapy?

By "slippery" I mean someone that is not consistent in what they manifest in that they may mask, or go off on tangents for awhile, or talk a whole lot about doing things they don't follow up on.

I'm starving and can't even think straight now. Pizza sounds good. :wave:

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Thank You so much for giving me food for thought.

My friend really needs professional help. I know meds would help, along with behavioral therapy.

I can't describe everything I'm seeing in her because I'm just not qualified to deal with it. This was suppose to be a friendship, not me playing therapist.

How do you make someone get help? What would you do as a friend to get someone "slippery", maybe even Jodi, into therapy?

By "slippery" I mean someone that is not consistent in what they manifest in that they may mask, or go off on tangents for awhile, or talk a whole lot about doing things they don't follow up on.

I'm starving and can't even think straight now. Pizza sounds good. :wave:

Well if you are seeking to have some sort of emotional health intervention for your friend, I think that is very brave of you. It is difficult especially not knowing how a BPD person will react.

First, make sure that you confront your friend in an extremely disarming, non threatening manner.

Sometimes simply asking, "I've noticed it seems you might be having a hard time right now. I'm feel worried about you and as your friend would like to know if there's anything you'd like to talk about?"

If your friend denies anything being wrong, maybe delicately bring up some examples of behavior that has made you feel concern. Reassure your friend that you will not and are not going to judge them. You just want them to be happy.

If they become confrontational, politely say you are sorry for bringing it up if it was a bad time for them - it all is from a good caring place on your part.

Later you might be able to email that friend and tell them that you believe they need help. Keep reassuring your friend that you just want to see them happy and healthy.

Your friend might completely drop you for being honest, but at least you tried and know you were sensitive to their emotions while doing so.

If you know any specialists, maybe you can get that info to your friend. Also suggest your friend check out online therapy groups on BPD for FREE.

If they refuse help and they seem to be a danger to you or others, do not engage any longer and seperate yourself.

If your friend has parents that you can trust to be candid - tell your friends parents that they are beyond help and possibly your friends parents/loved one can help talk them into seeking treatment. But also make sure to tell those parents/loved ones to not tell your friend that you clued them in on their BPD related behaviors. You don't want your friend to feel betrayed, a very scary emotion to deal w in BPDs.

Also this website can help give you tips

http://ourhealthyminds.com/family-handbook/communication/index.html

 

[Jane Jetson]

On the JA is innocent website, she gave a painting "Cats Eye" to the founder of the site as appreciation. there are 100 prints of the same painting, for sale for $99 each. a portion of the profits go to no kill animal shelters. Travis legacy fund is also going to help animal organizations. is she copying him? it's like she's saying "me too"
I think it's ok, but usually someone in her shoes doesn't care about donating to charities. maybe it's a defense mechanism and gives her an outlet. as long as she is not profiting, will she be allowed to have someone sell her artwork?

I'm not going to go to any pro-Jodi site, mostly because I heard there were viruses, but I did Google image "cat's eye," and found one, from Wikimedia, that looks exactly like hers (at least, the one I think is hers, from Google image, which is kind of a dirty blond color - hmmm...), just a different color. I'm sure there's no way she COPIED it, though, right? :floorlaugh:



It's really a big pic, so I'll just give the link, minus the "http": ://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Cats_eye.jpg

 

[SMK]

There was no indication beyond spanking Jodi w spoons of physical abuse upon Jodi.

Furthermore, if she would have endured abuse that affected her significantly enough to destroy her personal emotional heartiness, wouldnt she have referenced it somewhere in her journals?

Ie) statements like "when travis yelled at me, it took me back to my dad yelling at me."

She loved to throw any shame on anyone to maintain victim hood. Blaming others is a huge trademark for BPD. She would have taken that opportunity in a new York minute - to talk about abuse that was extreme.

But there wasn't anything that was abusive enough for her to call upon for sympathy.

IMHO.

The only reason I leave this open is that it took me and my sisters into our mid-30s to even begin to remember bizarre psychological and verbal abuse, or to grasp how it was very actively at work in our choices of unsuitable men.....Before age 35, I had considered that my past was strange, but not consciously aware of how malevolent it had been. The floods of memories hit me and my siblings as I say when we became mothers ourselves (Jodi had not) and for us this happened between ages 30-35.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

The only reason I leave this open is that it took me and my sisters into our mid-30s to even begin to remember bizarre psychological and verbal abuse, or to grasp how it was very actively at work in our choices of unsuitable men.....Before age 35, I had considered that my past was strange, but not consciously aware of how malevolent it had been. The floods of memories hit me and my siblings as I say when we became mothers ourselves (Jodi had not) and for us this happened between ages 30-35.

I am sorry for what you went through and no one should have to deal with malevolent parental figures. Indeed many ppl have lost or have foggy memories or dissociated during all of the abuse and can't remember it or realize its effect until later in life (when you were in your 30's).

I also have repressed memories and even have lost and blurred time in relation to abuse. It's a form of dissociation we all had to utilize to cope through the abuse. My heart goes out to you and I sincerely empathize with you on this.

Imho and not to minimize your personal experiences with abuse, I feel you are trying to apply things to Jodi's psyche based upon your own subjective life experiences. if anything you should not equate Jodi to being like yourself, as I am sure you have never been psychopathic enough to nearly decapitate a boyfriend bc of your past experiences with abuse. I know you are not a predator as a result of your abuse. You've had to learn how to be MORE of a predator if anything being victimized your whole life! Bless you!

In polls, victims of domestic abuse resent Jodi by a landslide. They do not want to be associated with her bc people who have ENDURED abuse and stuck around are victims. Jodi is not a victim type of personality deep down - she acts like a victim by saying she wants to kill herself bc of abuse, but when it comes down to it she loves herself too much to feel that pain/die so she goes and kills other people.

We have to go off of evidence here, and it was found through trial that she was not sexually or physically abused as a kid. Emotional abuse? They didn't indicate that either.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I'm not going to go to any pro-Jodi site, mostly because I heard there were viruses, but I did Google image "cat's eye," and found one, from Wikimedia, that looks exactly like hers (at least, the one I think is hers, from Google image, which is kind of a dirty blond color - hmmm...), just a different color. I'm sure there's no way she COPIED it, though, right? :floorlaugh:



It's really a big pic, so I'll just give the link, minus the "http": ://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Cats_eye.jpg

Woe what a brilliant theory You and Pinky have!

I do agree that it looks as if she is copying Travis's charitable interests as if to say "me, too!"

What I find interesting is that around 1997 Jodi followed an old "prophet" who said the world was going to end at some point in 1997.

Jodi actually believed this man. In fact she got back together with Bobby Juarez around the time the world was to "end".

I've often thought that her only connections with ppl are through sex and philosophical means. Bc she is antisocial and has no real emotional connection to others, she seeks lifestyles where she can connect close with others on idea rather than emotion.

Travis was yet another "prophet" she sought to follow. But Travis possessed both the ability to connect with her sexually AND connect on ideology. She became even more obsessed with Travis than she became with that old prophet bc the prophet only gave her the ideological connection.

I believe she tries to still connect herself with Travis until this very day through trying to like his same charitable interests etc. But I think it is in a mocking way now considering that she no longer confirms to Mormonism and is only "spiritual".

 

[SMK]

I am sorry for what you went through and no one should have to deal with malevolent parental figures. Indeed many ppl have lost or have foggy memories or dissociated during all of the abuse and can't remember it or realize its effect until later in life (when you were in your 30's).

I also have repressed memories and even have lost and blurred time in relation to abuse. It's a form of dissociation we all had to utilize to cope through the abuse. My heart goes out to you and I sincerely empathize with you on this.

Imho and not to minimize your personal experiences with abuse, I feel you are trying to apply things to Jodi's psyche based upon your own subjective life experiences. if anything you should not equate Jodi to being like yourself, as I am sure you have never been psychopathic enough to nearly decapitate a boyfriend bc of your past experiences with abuse. I know you are not a predator as a result of your abuse. You've had to learn how to be MORE of a predator if anything being victimized your whole life! Bless you!

In polls, victims of domestic abuse resent Jodi by a landslide. They do not want to be associated with her bc people who have ENDURED abuse and stuck around are victims. Jodi is not a victim type of personality deep down - she acts like a victim by saying she wants to kill herself bc of abuse, but when it comes down to it she loves herself too much to feel that pain/die so she goes and kills other people.

We have to go off of evidence here, and it was found through trial that she was not sexually or physically abused as a kid. Emotional abuse? They didn't indicate that either.

Thank you for the kind words. And yes, I see: Your points are extremely well taken.....

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

We know Jodi yearns to be a part of a social group in some capacity bc she is constantly discovering and trying out new ideologies and reading different philosophies to try and see which one will be the most accepting of her.

Interesting enough, her take on these ideologies is borderline obsessive. When she finds a faith that she understands and helps her be accepted into that faith group, she becomes ingratiated in that faith. Overly zealous would be putting it lightly.

But the emotion she gets from the faith is not what makes her become overzealous. It is the group think mentality that comes along with the faith and her feeling accepted or socially relevant within that group.

When the group began to outcast Jodi due to her strange behavior, she felt betrayed by the group. And when Travis, the leader of that group, figured out her unempathetic and obsessive behavior, he outcast her from the group as well.

She felt betrayed ultimately by Travis for staying in the group and going along with their want to outcast Jodi bc they realized her faith was not sincere. Her faith was based off of obsession and the narcissistic abd borderline need for validation.

Imho

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Thank you for the kind words. And yes, I see: Your points are extremely well taken.....

Thanks SMK for being so considerate w what I wrote. If you ever want to talk about false memories/dissociation and how to deal with it you can always PM me. I've done much therapy in regards to dissociation and might be able to help you understand it better/find resources. And in turn you can help your siblings as well! And You can help me too . PM me if you want, friend.

 

[Curious Me]

There was one time Jodi had a "nervous breakdown". Remember her telling Detective Flores about it?

She was living with DB. He was challenging her everytime she said something. It was so uncommon, I guess, for DB to do. Anyways, Jodi says she had a "nervous breakdown".

She goes on to describe it. She starts breathing and hyperventilating and goes to her room. That's it, as far as I can remember.

Was that one of the only times she actually was in touch with some feelings and emotions?
Why does she remember that one time as a big deal? Was she feeling narcissistic insult or a
mild anger? It sounded like such a little episode, yet it seemed to make an impression on her.

What was the purpose of telling Detective Flores about "her mental breakdown", and also about kicking the dog?

 

[SMK]

Thanks SMK for being so considerate w what I wrote. If you ever want to talk about false memories/dissociation and how to deal with it you can always PM me. I've done much therapy in regards to dissociation and might be able to help you understand it better/find resources. And in turn you can help your siblings as well! And You can help me too . PM me if you want, friend.

That's a kind offer--- I would appreciate your input--can PM you later.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Wow! Everyone is on fire today with their info!

Ya know, I think she brought up those two instances (breakdown and dog kicking) to Det. Flores maybe because he was trying to ask her if she had a history of getting very angry at people/things in her past?

I'm going to find the transcript of that portion and post it so we can understand the context.

And wow, yes I think what she revealed with DB indicates something significant that even she didn't realize:

When someone interrupts her train of conscious thought as DB was doing, she seems have some sort of cognitive dissonance that makes her revert into a dissociated and angry state.

The dog situation? What ever happened to the dog after she kicked it? Didn't it disappear one day? Could Jodi have feared that her parents told the detective she killed the family dog and brought the dog up first to be one step ahead of Flores?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Transcript section about dog:


DF: Why is everybody saying that you had something to do with his death? Why is everybody saying that you are capable of hurting him? Everybody says that. So don’t tell me that you’re not capable.

24:14
JA: I don’t even hurt spiders.

24:19
DF: Have you ever had any anger issues before? Never in your past?

24:25
JA: I’ve had arguments. Travis and I…

24:27
DF: Well, everybody has arguments. I’m talking about anger -- absolute anger where you lose it sometimes.

24:36
JA: No, I had a nervous breakdown once.

24:38
DF: Are you taking any medication or anything?

24:42
JA: Well I had a nervous breakdown when a boyfriend and I were arguing once and umm and he began to argue with me in a way that was totally different from how we had ever argued before, and he was just like, and every time I would say something he was like “Blah…Blah,” you know, it was kind of weird like, every time I tried to formulate a thought and I was just sad and I was crying, every time I tried to formulate a thought he would interject and then twist it and it was like the weirdest psychological thing that had ever happened, and the way I reacted was, I went into my room, this was the guy I bought a house with, I went into my room and shut the door. We had separate bedrooms, and I was in his room and went down the hall into my room and shut the door and I just remember hyperventilating, and that’s all. I don’t know. I was crying, and then umm…I went to get something out of my car and when he saw that, he umm… maybe thought I was going to leave, so he asked me for the key to his truck and pulled behind my car, because he thought that because I was upset that I shouldn’t be driving anywhere. That I’m nuts…Other than arguments, no anger issues – none I can remember.

26:00
JA: Oh… I kicked the dog once. I was a freshman in high school, and I love, love, love animals and one… we had this dog. His name was Doggy Boy, and my parents, until this dog that they have now, have never been able to and I don’t mean just them, we as a family, have never been able to care for a dog properly as far as give it attention or take it for walks or be consistent. Umm… so this dog stayed in the back yard a lot and stayed tied up on... in the shade.. with plenty of, you know, leeway. At one point, though, he was untied, and I took the trash out and he, and this is when my little brother and sister were still in diapers, and he tore, it was diaper trash. He tore diapers all over the yard, and, of course, I had to clean it up and when diapers get wet and they’re like jelly, spongy weird stuff.

26:56
DF: Mm hmm.

26:57
JA: and, I just… I got mad and I… I just kicked him with my right foot, and he just moved a few feet, and he didn’t yelp or anything, but he just went… he ran away and I never saw him again after that, and…I mean that’s probably an anger issue, I guess, but…

27:16
DF: Well, one time kicking a dog is not an anger issue.

27:19
JA: It changed my world as far as animal treatment goes, because… I just…I’ve never seen him since, and I need to apologize for that, to him, I know it sounds weird. My relationship with animals is kinda’ like, they’re like people, too, you know they have souls.

27:36
DF: What you need to do is, you need to apologize to Travis. But you just refuse. I can’t help you anymore if you’re not going to help yourself.

27:49
JA: You asked me why…

27:50
DF: I can’t. I can’t, Jodi. You can keep talking till your blue in the face. I can’t continue to listen to lies. Do you have anything else that you need to tell me?

28:05
JA: You asked me what I have been up to in the week since I got back…

DF: Mmm hmm.

28:10
JA: What did you mean by that?

DF: Just what…because I know this thing has to be weighing pretty heavy on you.

28:19
JA: I’ve been trying to put his death behind me. If I… if I did anything that had anything to do with his death in any way…

28:35
DF: It’s not if, to me…

JA: I wouldn’t…

28:38
DF: It’s not if…It’s not if…at all!

28:40
JA: Well to me it is. I would be more than remorseful.

28:45
DF: Is it maybe something you’re blocking out of your head?

28:49
JA: I don’t think so. I mean…I tend to write everything down. I tend to…I just finished the book, The Road Less Traveled,

28:56
DF: Mmm Hmm.

28:57
JA: and it said the true definition of sanity is dedication to reality at all costs. So, I think at times, you know, I may have, you know prayed, or meditated upon a certain way, you know, like me being umm…wealthy or something like that, but…

29:15
DF: Well, this is definitely reality. We are sitting here inside of an office in the Sheriff’s Department, and you are facing first degree murder charges…

29:30
JA: What is the difference…?

29:31
DF: …and you are going to be booked into jail, and eventually you will be brought back to Arizona, and you will stand trial. That’s the reality, and once you realize that, I think you’ll be better for it, and if you really wanted to embrace reality, you would sit here and explain to me why this happened, but you refuse. You refuse to…

29:56
JA: I don’t know why. I don’t know why he was killed. I don’t know why. I had issues with Travis. If anything, he had more issues with me. Umm…I’ve had worse issues with other people. They’re all still alive. I’m still friends with my ex-boyfriends. They’re all still alive.

30:14
DF: You know I’ve been doing this a long time and there’s one thing that I can never get out of my head, ever since the first day I talked to you. There’s an old saying that, you know, something’s just not acting right. Look into it. You have not acted right from Day 1. From Day 1 when I talked to you on that phone, I just sensed it. You just… you weren’t acting like somebody who used to love this guy, or who still loved him, even as a close friend, and even now when I told you that I have all this evidence against you and that you’re facing 1st degree murder charges, you’re...you’re just not acting right, Jodi. You’re acting like somebody who is guilty.

31:07
JA: How so?

31:12
DF: You tell me. I know because I’ve been doing it a long time.

31:18
JA: It’s not that I don’t…

31:18
DF: It took me a long time to figure it out, but within the first 30 seconds to a minute of a conversation I can… I know when somebody is acting right. There’s a certain way people act.

31:30
JA: How did I act that would make you think…

31:32
DF: It’s not like TV. It’s not anything like that. It’s not what you see in the movies. I see reality. When I accuse somebody of committing a heinous crime or, you know, something very serious, reality hits in and they definitely act a certain way, and that’s not you. You act just like everybody else who I accuse of doing a crime who did it. There’s no other way to tell you?

32:03
JA: Is it because I’m not crying?

32:07
DF: No. It’s not because of that.

32:10
JA: What is it? I mean I’m not going to change how I act.

32:14
DF: No. Obviously, you can’t change the way you’re acting.

32:16
JA: No, I mean I am who I am.

32:18
DF: Okay. You’re… you’re sincere in the way you’re acting, but uhh…

32:21
JA: Well, how is it…

32:22
DF: You’re just not telling the truth.

32:25
JA: How is it different?

32:27
DF: Well, it’s not really something you need to focus on anymore. I think you need to focus on the truth, but it’s something you refuse, so if you don’t want to continue, then we’ll just move on to the next step.

End of Video 4

 

[Linda7NJ]

Woe what a brilliant theory You and Pinky have!

I do agree that it looks as if she is copying Travis's charitable interests as if to say "me, too!"

What I find interesting is that around 1997 Jodi followed an old "prophet" who said the world was going to end at some point in 1997.

Jodi actually believed this man. In fact she got back together with Bobby Juarez around the time the world was to "end".

I've often thought that her only connections with ppl are through sex and philosophical means. Bc she is antisocial and has no real emotional connection to others, she seeks lifestyles where she can connect close with others on idea rather than emotion.

Travis was yet another "prophet" she sought to follow. But Travis possessed both the ability to connect with her sexually AND connect on ideology. She became even more obsessed with Travis than she became with that old prophet bc the prophet only gave her the ideological connection.

I believe she tries to still connect herself with Travis until this very day through trying to like his same charitable interests etc. But I think it is in a mocking way now considering that she no longer confirms to Mormonism and is only "spiritual".

IMO she used the "end of the world" crap as an excuse to contact Bobby because she wasn't yet finished with him.
She converted to Mormonism to get her hooks into Travis.
It was a means to an end... Just as Travis was. All IMO


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[Curious Me]

Oh, thank you for finding that part of the interrogation, 2Hip!

I hope you'll remark on some of what you notice in this interaction.

This part below interests me. Did she really read that book? It's fascinating. BBM

28:49
JA: I don’t think so. I mean…I tend to write everything down. I tend to…I just finished the book, The Road Less Traveled,

28:56
DF: Mmm Hmm.

28:57
JA: and it said the true definition of sanity is dedication to reality at all costs. So, I think at times, you know, I may have, you know prayed, or meditated upon a certain way, you know, like me being umm…wealthy or something like that, but…

29:15
DF: Well, this is definitely reality. We are sitting here inside of an office in the Sheriff’s Department, and you are facing first degree murder charges…

 

[Frigga]

IMO she used the "end of the world" crap as an excuse to contact Bobby because she wasn't yet finished with him.
She converted to Mormonism to get her hooks into Travis.
It was a means to an end... Just as Travis was. All IMO


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Exactly! It has to be Jodi who says when it will 'end' not the other way around. It must not have ended well with Bobby the first time around considering that when she contacted him to share "the end of the world" information she had, he hung up on her- twice.

Talk about being boundary-less. She motors ahead flying in the face of logic and decency. She is highly unusual in that she has no shame. people from families that are dysfunctional and unhealthy carry a tremendous amount of shame- more than they should- IMO. Why doesn't Jodi? It isn't just the lack of shame, either, something else I can't put my finger on- at all.

I am in the gathering of information stage in regards to her. Hoping that more people will come forward with different information. I still do not know what to make of her. I have a sister that is most likely Bipolar and one diagnosed BPD- and Jodi is nothing like either on of them. I sometimes think my Bipolar sister may also be a sociopath so Jodi Ann is definitely confusing to me.

I enjoy reading here and appreciate everyones insight and theories.

Oh, I need to add that I think she was prostituting herself for money, at times. The story that stood out for me as one of those times was the tow truck driver she went to IHOP with- because she likes IHOP, you know. That is what I think stood out to Travis and Skye, NOT her being 'weird' MOO again.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Oh, thank you for finding that part of the interrogation, 2Hip!

I hope you'll remark on some of what you notice in this interaction.

This part below interests me. Did she really read that book? It's fascinating. BBM

28:49
JA: I don’t think so. I mean…I tend to write everything down. I tend to…I just finished the book, The Road Less Traveled,

28:56
DF: Mmm Hmm.

28:57
JA: and it said the true definition of sanity is dedication to reality at all costs. So, I think at times, you know, I may have, you know prayed, or meditated upon a certain way, you know, like me being umm…wealthy or something like that, but…

29:15
DF: Well, this is definitely reality. We are sitting here inside of an office in the Sheriff’s Department, and you are facing first degree murder charges…

That part haunts me until this very day. It's such a delusional psychopathic thinking pattern. Dedication at all costs to who's reality? Jodi's? Bc she definitely is not dedicated to our reality. Our reality being that Jodi killed him. (at this point she had not confessed)

I have to get the fiancée to work! But I'm interested in picking this convo back up after I get back online once u get back home!

Until then, please tell my why that portion of he investigation stood out to you? Whst do you think it indicates about Jodi's state of mind?? Thanks!

 

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IMO she used the "end of the world" crap as an excuse to contact Bobby because she wasn't yet finished with him.
She converted to Mormonism to get her hooks into Travis.
It was a means to an end... Just as Travis was. All IMO


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Yes in short she uses faith and ideology to manipulate others for her own gain/NPD ASPD needs.

Anyone find it funny that since she could not be a follower of cult mentalities she has moved into almost a cult leader personality? She does have her own cult following now that thinks she is innocent and is brainwashed and she BASKS in that attention!

Thanks! Brb soon!