Poll: Why did Garrido bring Jaycee to the PO office?

[Billylee]

I'm really not sure why it matters why PG brought everyone with him to the PO. I thought I'd read that the PO "told" him to bring these "girls seen in Berkeley" with him. From the ranting description of him that was given by the Berkeley cops, he apparently was so out of it in Berkeley he might not have even remembered who the hell he had with him! The man at this point was really losing it folks. In reading your threads it seems like ya'll are trying to figure out a rational explanation for someone who's acting irrationally, you'll never win. (But thank God, he did bring them with him, because I can see a waaaaay different scenario had he not.)

IMO, repeating what I said when this conversation first started in the other thread, I think he brought along Jaycee to SAY she was the mother of those children, (the PO knew they weren't PG's and NG's, and having someone there to say, "oh, it's okay, I'm an abused Minnesota woman who now has safe harbor with PG & NG with my two children, blah blah blah. ) That WAS a rehearsed script conjured up by both PG & NG. (Anyone else notice how obvious it is that NG was not reported as saying/denying or otherwise speaking in that report? Hmmm, States witness? I freakin' hope not!)

I think the "ask for an attorney" thing was also what she was told to do in an attempt to KEEP THE CHILDREN! (Remember NG quoted as saying "I thought we were a family." )

Now, again, trying to second guess a lunatic, is well, crazy! lol
However, if PG was a sane man, he might have finally confessed because he had no money, no medical insurance, knew he was caught and wanted us (the taxpayers/system) to take care of the obvious freakin' cancer on his nose, which was oddly enough, disappeared the next time we saw him. Will wonders never cease?!

 

[time]

I don't think the revelations took long at all!!! I have a feeling they knew everything within 2 hours!

That would be my bet also - and, two hours is a long time when you are being questioned!

Did anyone else get the impression they might have just left Garrido sitting by himself for a little while?

 

[checkercab]

I read somewhere that he gave the FBI some of his scripts "Manifesto".
I read somewhere that Molino knew his secret...

Arrogance yes...He also knew he had a record. Stupid he was not...Insane, deviant he was.

:dance: Agreed.
Hard to postulate any rationale, when PG was just irrational.

 

[Tizzle]

You all realize that PG has been subjected to questioning before, right? At least twice that we know of, in 72 and again in 76. Probably more. He would at least have a general idea of how it would go down. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean he's stupid. IMO, he went to Concord with at least an idea of what to expect.

I also don't think Shaw would have left it out if one or the other had given yet another version of the presense of JC and girls. Like has been suggested, JC also at first claimed that they were his nieces. I would think, judging by the I.G.'s attention to minor details during this portion of the report, that any other version of events given by either JC or PG would have been outlined, as well. He would have no reason to leave it out. If they all started with same story, I firmly believe the I.G. would have included this in his report. According to the report, JC gave 2 different stories, PG gave 2 different stories. None of them matched. I simply want to understand what this means. That's all.

 

[time]

Someone brought up Jaycee telling them she was 29... I didn't realize they already knew that (dang, I hope that was in this thread)

Jacobs said she continued to quiz Garrido about their family life and found out that his wife was a teacher. At this point, the younger sister said they had a 28-year-old sister who lived with them.

“The older sister said, without missing a beat, ‘29,’” Jacobs said. Campbell said that she was searching for any proof that would help them detain Garrido but was unsuccessful. The two officers said that although they wanted to take the children aside and question them, they knew Garrido would not have allowed that. Jacobs said Garrido was shaking nervously throughout the meeting.

http://www.berkeleydaily.org/issue/...-Led-to-Garrido-s-Arrest-in-Dugard-Kidnapping

 

[my2sisters]

Thanks, Billylee. To add to that I think PG had lost it to the point of truly believing he had changed and was "gifted" or whatever and that it WAS a heartwarming story...in his mind. NG, Jaycee and the girls all knew he had gone off the deep end by now.

He blew it when he paused and forgot the script, so he had to go with the heartwarming story.

 

[kbl8201]

I'm really not sure why it matters why PG brought everyone with him to the PO. I thought I'd read that the PO "told" him to bring these "girls seen in Berkeley" with him. From the ranting description of him that was given by the Berkeley cops, he apparently was so out of it in Berkeley he might not have even remembered who the hell he had with him! The man at this point was really losing it folks. In reading your threads it seems like ya'll are trying to figure out a rational explanation for someone who's acting irrationally, you'll never win. (But thank God, he did bring them with him, because I can see a waaaaay different scenario had he not.)

IMO, repeating what I said when this conversation first started in the other thread, I think he brought along Jaycee to SAY she was the mother of those children, (the PO knew they weren't PG's and NG's, and having someone there to say, "oh, it's okay, I'm an abused Minnesota woman who now has safe harbor with PG & NG with my two children, blah blah blah. ) That WAS a rehearsed script conjured up by both PG & NG. (Anyone else notice how obvious it is that NG was not reported as saying/denying or otherwise speaking in that report? Hmmm, States witness? I freakin' hope not!)

I think the "ask for an attorney" thing was also what she was told to do in an attempt to KEEP THE CHILDREN! (Remember NG quoted as saying "I thought we were a family." )

Now, again, trying to second guess a lunatic, is well, crazy! lol
However, if PG was a sane man, he might have finally confessed because he had no money, no medical insurance, knew he was caught and wanted us (the taxpayers/system) to take care of the obvious freakin' cancer on his nose, which was oddly enough, disappeared the next time we saw him. Will wonders never cease?!

i did say in an earlier post we were trying to attribute rational behavior to a guy that hasnt been rational for 40 years
guess i need to check my microphone

 

[my2sisters]

i did say in an earlier post we were trying to attribute rational behavior to a guy that hasnt been rational for 40 years
guess i need to check my microphone

Yes but, 4 paragraphs gets more attention then 2 sentences.

 

[kbl8201]

Thanks, Billylee. To add to that I think PG had lost it to the point of truly believing he had changed and was "gifted" or whatever and that it WAS a heartwarming story...in his mind. NG, Jaycee and the girls all knew he had gone off the deep end by now.

He blew it when he paused and forgot the script, so he had to go with the heartwarming story.

i hope he's telling his 'heartwarming story" to big bubba right now

 

[kbl8201]

Yes but, 4 paragraphs gets more attention then 2 sentences.

not sure what that means exactly.
i try to cut to the chase rather then giving miles of stuff

 

[Billylee]

not sure what that means exactly.
i try to cut to the chase rather then giving miles of stuff

LOL, it probably means I'm wordy!

I was just trying to give my opinion of the questions that seem to be running through this thread all in one lump. Why did PG retract/confess? Why did Jaycee change the story? Why did she ask for an attorney? But to me the most curious thing is the omission. The omission of ANYTHING by Nancy.

 

[anthroamy]

I'm really not sure why it matters why PG brought everyone with him to the PO. I thought I'd read that the PO "told" him to bring these "girls seen in Berkeley" with him. From the ranting description of him that was given by the Berkeley cops, he apparently was so out of it in Berkeley he might not have even remembered who the hell he had with him! The man at this point was really losing it folks. In reading your threads it seems like ya'll are trying to figure out a rational explanation for someone who's acting irrationally, you'll never win. (But thank God, he did bring them with him, because I can see a waaaaay different scenario had he not.)

IMO, repeating what I said when this conversation first started in the other thread, I think he brought along Jaycee to SAY she was the mother of those children, (the PO knew they weren't PG's and NG's, and having someone there to say, "oh, it's okay, I'm an abused Minnesota woman who now has safe harbor with PG & NG with my two children, blah blah blah. ) That WAS a rehearsed script conjured up by both PG & NG. (Anyone else notice how obvious it is that NG was not reported as saying/denying or otherwise speaking in that report? Hmmm, States witness? I freakin' hope not!)

I think the "ask for an attorney" thing was also what she was told to do in an attempt to KEEP THE CHILDREN! (Remember NG quoted as saying "I thought we were a family." )

Now, again, trying to second guess a lunatic, is well, crazy! lol
However, if PG was a sane man, he might have finally confessed because he had no money, no medical insurance, knew he was caught and wanted us (the taxpayers/system) to take care of the obvious freakin' cancer on his nose, which was oddly enough, disappeared the next time we saw him. Will wonders never cease?!

Billylee, I agree 100%, with the exception of 1 thing that Tizzle has also pointed out. Why on EARTH would PG tell one story and Jaycee another? It makes perfect sense that they would "need" Jaycee to be the mother, but PG told the PO something completely different from that! PG stuck with his story from the previous evening about all 3 being nieces. Jaycee says that she's their mother, then later goes into the MN story.

 

[kbl8201]

LOL, it probably means I'm wordy!

I was just trying to give my opinion of the questions that seem to be running through this thread all in one lump. Why did PG retract/confess? Why did Jaycee change the story? Why did she ask for an attorney? But to me the most curious thing is the omission. The omission of ANYTHING by Nancy.

its ok we just have diffrent styles
what upsets me most about this is the fact that jaycee must have been petrified.....petrified she'd screw up and garrido would take it out on her. petrified if she came clean she'd lose her girls

 

[Billylee]

Billylee, I agree 100%, with the exception of 1 thing that Tizzle has also pointed out. Why on EARTH would PG tell one story and Jaycee another? It makes perfect sense that they would "need" Jaycee to be the mother, but PG told the PO something completely different from that! PG stuck with his story from the previous evening about all 3 being nieces. Jaycee says that she's their mother, then later goes into the MN story.

Like I said, the annoyingly frustrating part is trying to figure out a nutcase! PG was obviously really losing it and Jaycee was no doubt a nervous freakin' wreck! Thus, the stories erupted and collided. Lies tend to do that eventually. But hey, what about Nancy? Why doesn't the report refer to her at all? What do you think? She had nothing to say?

 

[kbl8201]

Like I said, the annoyingly frustrating part is trying to figure out a nutcase! PG was obviously really losing it and Jaycee was no doubt a nervous freakin' wreck! Thus, the stories erupted and collided. Lies tend to do that eventually. But hey, what about Nancy? Why doesn't the report refer to her at all? What do you think? She had nothing to say?

maybe by sitting there like a zombie she was already setting up her "i was under his control" defense

 

[time]

Like I said, the annoyingly frustrating part is trying to figure out a nutcase! PG was obviously really losing it and Jaycee was no doubt a nervous freakin' wreck! Thus, the stories erupted and collided. Lies tend to do that eventually. But hey, what about Nancy? Why doesn't the report refer to her at all? What do you think? She had nothing to say?

In one small part, it says she and Jaycee got upset. That's it! I wonder too - was she sitting there just picking her nose or what?

 

[SunnieRN]

I read somewhere that he gave the FBI some of his scripts "Manifesto".
I read somewhere that Molino knew his secret...

That is not the sign of a man who does not want to get caught....It is the sign of a man who is very arrogant....
It is also the sign of someone who wants fame.
I do believe that taking the girls out with him spells out one of 2 plans.
1) If he gets away with taking the girls out publicly. He will be setting up some presidency that they do exist,
and that it is OK.
2) Another way to get closer to getting caught.

I definitly do NOT think that he wanted to stay clear of LE - These gestures do not say that at all.
1) given the FBI his manifesto.
2) told Molino his "Secret"
3) taken the girls out publicly.

Arrogance yes...He also knew he had a record. Stupid he was not...Insane, deviant he was.

I honestly believe he felt he was able to extradite himself from any wrongdoing. I believe that he felt the "heartwarming story" would set him free!!!!

 

[anthroamy]

Time, your nose picking comment made me choke. LOL.

I realize no one but me, and maybe Tizzle, cares at this point how and why everything shook down. Thanks to everyone for bearing with my excessive posting today. I'll be brief.

After reading all the theories here and trying to synthesize it, the only thing I can come up with that answers all the questions (In my mind, anyway. Feel free to agree or disagree) is this:
As Tizzle pointed out, PG had had numerous run-ins with LE. He should have known better about what to expect. However, this is a guy who got away with kidnapping, rape, and imprisonment (and who knows what else), along with numerous probation violations, for 18 years while on federal and state parole, under the supervision of several different agents. He thought he could handle the PO. When he was asked to come back in the next morning he probably figured it would be a rehash of the previous evening, and he was not expecting the monkey wrench that UCPD threw into the mix. Because of this I think he made a huge mistake and didn't brief the women. I think he told them "Oh yeah, we're going to go in and I'm going to tell the PO about why I was at Berkeley again" or something to that effect and left it at that, not sharing the brother story, thinking that the PO who'd never been curious about anything before would let him do all the talking as usual. Big misstep for him.

When they get there, in an amazing bit of timing, the PO has just hung up after getting all the incriminating details from UCPD. Unexpectedly, he separates the women and alarm bells go off for everyone. The PO says to the women something to the effect of he wants to know why PG was at UC Berkeley with the two girls, and who are they? Jaycee sees that the PO is intent on getting some kind of feasible answer and knows that PG & NG have no kids. PG desperately needs an out, so she says that they're hers and tries to play the whole thing off with her laughing and people think we're sisters. They press her more and she falls back on the "I know he's an RSO, but he's changed" script. It doesn't work, she's cornered and asks for an attorney.

PG, meanwhile, is going "Oh sh**, I didn't give the women anything to say. It would be best for me to stay consistent with the brother story, the women may use that one anyway because we've used it before." He's wrong.

When the PO calls the cops Jaycee starts feeling the heat even more and switches to the MN housewife script. The rest is history.

 

[SunnieRN]

In one small part, it says she and Jaycee got upset. That's it! I wonder too - was she sitting there just picking her nose or what?

Ok, that was one visual I really didn't need. lol!

i hope he's telling his 'heartwarming story" to big bubba right now

:behindbar

 

[pedropete]

Billylee is right. Trying to find logical explanations for Garrido's behavior in his interview is probably futile. PG was totally irrational by the day of the interview. Nothing shows this better than the phone call he made to Walt Gray just the very next day from prison. Garrido was almost incoherent. Nothing he said made sense. His sentences were illogical. And he was obsessed with the "documents" he had previously given to the FBI. It's as if he thought they would totally absolve all his guilt and wrongdoing. The FBI would forgive him. The whole world would forgive him. It seems as if it did not matter if he confessed to abducting Jaycee. All would be well. These documents would save him and the world. This makes his inexplicable confession seem a little more understandable. He thought the whole world would forgive him. Clearly, he had completely lost touch with reality.

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