Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

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A big part of me wishes he just called EMT services first so that they and nearby medical facility could monitor her appropriately.

When I listened to the 911 audio, I was instantly reminded of friends I had when I was younger who had drug and/or mental health issues, and even of myself at that age when I first started having panic attacks due to C-PTSD. The upshot is, when I listen to the audio, I wish desperately that I could go back in time and get them to call *an ambulance* because she really needed a tranquilizer and monitoring. :/ JMO. I don’t know too much about how EMTs handle these kinds of cases—are they even allowed to treat someone who is having an episode that is making them irrational or a danger to themselves, or do they have to wait for police? But anyway that’s always what I wish for, that she could have been stabilized & given medical support, instead of being left to run off into the night. JMO.
 
When I listened to the 911 audio, I was instantly reminded of friends I had when I was younger who had drug and/or mental health issues, and even of myself at that age when I first started having panic attacks due to C-PTSD. The upshot is, when I listen to the audio, I wish desperately that I could go back in time and get them to call *an ambulance* because she really needed a tranquilizer and monitoring. :/ JMO. I don’t know too much about how EMTs handle these kinds of cases—are they even allowed to treat someone who is having an episode that is making them irrational or a danger to themselves, or do they have to wait for police? But anyway that’s always what I wish for, that she could have been stabilized & given medical support, instead of being left to run off into the night. JMO.

How do you explain Pak and Brewer failing to call 911, and Shannan doing so?
 
Former Suffolk County Chief of Detectives Dominick Varrone, who has heard the call, is speaking for the first time on network television.

"She's saying, 'There's someone after me; there's someone after me,'" he said. "It's a girl who clearly believes ... she's in harm's way."

"Does she say who she's afraid of," Moriarty asked Chief Varrone.

"She just says 'they're trying to kill me,'" he replied
 
Just keep a balanced point of view as to what the drugs she may have voluntarily or involuntarily consumed can tell us.

They can't explain why Brewer and Pak were behaving the way they were, cajoling her to leave with them rather than just kicking her out/abandoning her. What substances were in her body can't explain why she called 911, why she didn't know where she was, why nobody denied or seemed offended at being accused of trying to kill her, or how she managed to end up face up by the highway. Substances in Shannan don't explain all the lies told by Oak Beach witnesses.

There is limited value in chasing that down. But, yes. According to Pak, who lied often, Shannan was a fan of alcohol and ecstasy. It's possible these were among the few true words he uttered. They are somewhat reasonable choices to medicate mania and depression.

(I'd recommend medicating under the supervision of a doctor, of course.)

MOO
BBM!
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Archived article:
"I have dreams about her every single night," said Sherre Gilbert, who still holds out hope her sister is alive somewhere. "I just don't know what to think."

Shannan Marie Gilbert had a scattered, sometimes traumatic upbringing that may have led to her career path, her family said in interviews Tuesday. Born in Lancaster, Pa., Gilbert was diagnosed as bipolar at a young age and quickly became a ward of New York State, shuffling among several foster homes in Rockland and Ulstercounties, family said. She graduated from New Paltz High School at age 16.

Soon, Gilbert had moved in with a boyfriend in northern New Jersey, where she was arrested with several other women and charged with prostitution in 2007, police say. The outcome of that case was not known Tuesday.

That year, she moved to Jersey City and began her first attempts to extract herself from a life of paid sex and hard drugs, her sister said. She auditioned for singing roles, pursued an online degree in communications and drank up Manhattan's fashion scene, wearing skinny jeans, oversized sunglasses and a variety of wigs while carrying large designer purses.

"She always told me she was going in for an audition," said her live-in boyfriend, Alex Diaz, 28, of Jersey City.

But a need for cash, said her younger sister Sarra, 21, lured her back into prostitution. She worked for at least two escort services before deciding this year to become independent, advertising her services on Craigslist and hiring her own driver, friends and family said.

Her family knew about her job but, Sarra said, "we knew it was more or less for survival."
*I didn’t realize she had a live-in boyfriend
 
What? News to me:

Gilbert has a standing indictment in Hudson County as a co-defendant in a case concerning First Professional Referral Services, the escort service where she was allegedly employed, on charges of conspiracy and promoting prostitution, DeFazio said.

The main defendant, Joseph Ruis, was convicted of money laundering and sent to state prison on a five-year sentence, DeFazio said. Ruis has since been paroled.

DeFazio said if the remains are identified as hers the case will be dismissed against Gilbert, who was out on her own custody at the time she disappeared. DeFazio said that despite the indictment Gilbert was considered missing rather than a fugitive.

A missing person report filed by the Jersey City Department will also be withdrawn.
 
How do you explain Pak and Brewer failing to call 911, and Shannan doing so?

Could it be that Pak and Brewer did not want Police involvement in their activities in Oak Beach ?

Imagine Police and EMT's roll up at Brewer's house, you have a sex worker in obvious emotional distress, her driver and the john and quite possibly some other men.

What would you expect the police to do? You hope they ask questions, take down names and check ID's. LE would discover Pak is a convicted felon. If as has been implied by others Pak had a gun in his SUV, he would be going back to prison if the police discover it. The police might see the drugs too.

The likelihood of Shannan dying that night are minimal if Police and EMTs were present, as she would probably been taken to the hospital.
 
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Could it be that Pak and Brewer did not want Police involvement in their activities in Oak Beach ?

Imagine Police and EMT's roll up at Brewer's house, you have a sex worker in obvious emotional distress, her driver and the john and quite possibly some other men.

What would you expect the police to do? You hope they ask questions, take down names and check ID's. LE would discover Pak is a convicted felon. If as has been implied by others Pak had a gun in his SUV, he would be going back to prison if the police discover it. The police might see the drugs too.

The likelihood of Shannan dying that night are minimal if Police and EMTs were present, as she would probably been taken to the hospital.
Agree.

Still, police need a warrant to look out of plain view for guns and drugs. Shannan was very much at risk calling 911 when she was in legal limbo. The others- not so much. Unless it is true that there was a party in town that would take too much work to clean up.

If Brewer and Pak were truthful, throwing the party drugs and gun out of sight could have been done in seconds.

MOO

Edited to add: That is a very privileged way to look at calling in LE. I know that, but that privilege applied to Brewer, too, especially.
 
Agree.

Still, police need a warrant to look out of plain view for guns and drugs. Shannan was very much at risk calling 911 when she was in legal limbo. The others- not so much. Unless it is true that there was a party in town that would take too much work to clean up.

If Brewer and Pak were truthful, throwing the party drugs and gun out of sight could have been done in seconds.

MOO

Edited to add: That is a very privileged way to look at calling in LE. I know that, but that privilege applied to Brewer, too, especially.
IMO Shannan had the least problems with calling 911.

She can tell the cops straight up shes selling sex and be taken in and released with a court date, under 12 hours, or maybe even given an appearance ticket.
Brewer, lives there. He's the one that would be embarrassed by having the cops in his small, rich community, likely nosey, at 5AM. Then all his neighbors would find out he's doing drugs, or whatever, with a sex worker. Far from a good look in any neighborhood, let alone his. I think he thought Shannan was just out of it and her driver would handle it.
Pak, is the convicted felon in possession of what is likely a stolen gun . He's looking at real jail time. NY gun laws are the most unconstitutional in the entire country.

IMO people need to stop thinking of there actions that night through a normal lenses and actually put yourself in their shoes. Your first reaction to someone having a mental episode might be to call 911 because you might be a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide.

Jesus Christ Almighty , people forget, we had to pass laws letting teens and college students know its okay to call 911 if one of their friends has alcohol poison or OD'ing on drugs. Yet, even with those laws protecting people from prosecution for calling in an OD, people still get cold feet and let others die, rather than call 911. You really think a sex workers driver's, or some jerk that met her that night, first thought is to call 911, even though she conscious, when some people would do it for a passed out "best friend"?
 
IMO Shannan had the least problems with calling 911.

She can tell the cops straight up shes selling sex and be taken in and released with a court date, under 12 hours, or maybe even given an appearance ticket.
Brewer, lives there. He's the one that would be embarrassed by having the cops in his small, rich community, likely nosey, at 5AM. Then all his neighbors would find out he's doing drugs, or whatever, with a sex worker. Far from a good look in any neighborhood, let alone his. I think he thought Shannan was just out of it and her driver would handle it.
Pak, is the convicted felon in possession of what is likely a stolen gun . He's looking at real jail time. NY gun laws are the most unconstitutional in the entire country.

IMO people need to stop thinking of there actions that night through a normal lenses and actually put yourself in their shoes. Your first reaction to someone having a mental episode might be to call 911 because you might be a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide.

Jesus Christ Almighty , people forget, we had to pass laws letting teens and college students know its okay to call 911 if one of their friends has alcohol poison or OD'ing on drugs. Yet, even with those laws protecting people from prosecution for calling in an OD, people still get cold feet and let others die, rather than call 911. You really think a sex workers driver's, or some jerk that met her that night, first thought is to call 911, even though she conscious, when some people would do it for a passed out "best friend"?
BBM

In my own opinion, his small, rich, nosey, community didn't worry about drugs being there. They were doing enough of their own. TC wasn't called Thomas Cocaine Canning for nothing.

Check out is own transcripts.

 
BBM

In my own opinion, his small, rich, nosey, community didn't worry about drugs being there. They were doing enough of their own. TC wasn't called Thomas Cocaine Canning for nothing.

Check out is own transcripts.

You are so right! Having first responders swarm your house in a small gated community to assist a sex worker, in the wee hours of the morning, is Oak beaches' special. Its what oak beach is known for. Not embarassing and wouldn't make you the talk of the town at all. Business as usual. LOL /s
 
IMO Shannan had the least problems with calling 911.

She can tell the cops straight up shes selling sex and be taken in and released with a court date, under 12 hours, or maybe even given an appearance ticket.
Brewer, lives there. He's the one that would be embarrassed by having the cops in his small, rich community, likely nosey, at 5AM. Then all his neighbors would find out he's doing drugs, or whatever, with a sex worker. Far from a good look in any neighborhood, let alone his. I think he thought Shannan was just out of it and her driver would handle it.
Pak, is the convicted felon in possession of what is likely a stolen gun . He's looking at real jail time. NY gun laws are the most unconstitutional in the entire country.

IMO people need to stop thinking of there actions that night through a normal lenses and actually put yourself in their shoes. Your first reaction to someone having a mental episode might be to call 911 because you might be a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide.

Jesus Christ Almighty , people forget, we had to pass laws letting teens and college students know its okay to call 911 if one of their friends has alcohol poison or OD'ing on drugs. Yet, even with those laws protecting people from prosecution for calling in an OD, people still get cold feet and let others die, rather than call 911. You really think a sex workers driver's, or some jerk that met her that night, first thought is to call 911, even though she conscious, when some people would do it for a passed out "best friend"?

On your first bold, I have personally never looked at their actions through a normal lens. Imo you can't do that if you ever want to have a hope of cracking any of these cases. And, in looking at it through the lens of being in their shoes is precisely one of the things that reeks about this case imo.

Add the numerous inconsistencies and the consistent "story" that they pressed upon Coletti and Scalise about what "really" happened in an effort to get them to recount their narrative, and it stinks even worse imo.

I hope they re-open this investigation. Better yet, I hope this investigation has already been re-opened and the presser by Chief Rodney Harrison was a ploy to get whoever they are looking at to relax.\

Oh, and I don't buy the mental episode. Never did. But, that's MOO.

jmo
 
On your first bold, I have personally never looked at their actions through a normal lens. Imo you can't do that if you ever want to have a hope of cracking any of these cases. And, in looking at it through the lens of being in their shoes is precisely one of the things that reeks about this case imo.

Add the numerous inconsistencies and the consistent "story" that they pressed upon Coletti and Scalise about what "really" happened in an effort to get them to recount their narrative, and it stinks even worse imo.

I hope they re-open this investigation. Better yet, I hope this investigation has already been re-opened and the presser by Chief Rodney Harrison was a ploy to get whoever they are looking at to relax.\

Oh, and I don't buy the mental episode. Never did. But, that's MOO.

jmo
There is certainly a will to open it. Public opinion is strong.

i am hopeful this will be announced in the very near future.
 

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