Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

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What really strikes me is Pak’s apparent lack of concern for the fact that Shannan is obviously terrified. He doesn’t make any attempt to actually ask her why she’s scared and he’s laughing at her while she’s calling 911. At best, he is a huge jerk.

MOO
At worst, he doesn't need to ask because he knows.

I think the worst is what went down.

I didn't hear any expression of concern or surprise when Shannan screamed.

MOO
 
Some interesting information on the hyoid bone... also to note, children's hyoid bones are more flexible/less brittle than adult hyoid bones.

Excerpt BBM from attached link-

Fracture of the hyoid is most common in manual strangulations in which about 34 percent of all victims show a fractured hyoid, 34 percent fractured thyroid, and 1 percent fractured cricoid. In ligature strangulations, the frequency of hyoid fracture falls to about 11 percent compared to 32 percent thyroid and 9 percent cricoid. Hangings produce only 8 percent fractured hyoids, 15 percent fractured thyroids, and 0.003 percent fractured cricoids. The literature strongly suggests that hyoid fractures are rare in children and infants, since hyoid components are not fully ossified and are more flexible than in adults. Both antemortem and postmortem fracture origins must also be considered.

Hyoid Fracture and Strangulation | Office of Justice Programs
 
2016
''MILLER PLACE, New York – An independent autopsy commissioned by the family of Craigslist escort Shannan Gilbert revealed that a hole may have been drilled in the hyoid bone near her throat, according to lawyer John Ray.

“The autopsy findings are consistent with homicidal strangulation,” said Ray, “just like the other women.”

Baden noted:

“Almost all of the skeletal bones were recovered and appeared normal. There was no evidence of trauma. However, the larynx was missing and only the body of the hyoid bone was found; the two greater horns of that neck bone were missing. These structures, the larynx and the hyoid bone, are often fractured during homicidal manual strangulation. My examination of the recovered body of the hyoid bone, after it had been anthropologically de-fleshed, showed a roughness at the margins where the separated bones had been attached.”


Baden found no evidence to support the theory that drugs might have caused her to fall into the water.

Baden concluded, “There is insufficient information to determine a definite cause of death, but the autopsy findings are consistent with strangulation.”
 
I hear fear....

Hearing loss or deafness in the ear can precede, accompany, or follow an episode of nervousness, anxiety, fear..

Knowing people were trying to kill you would cause extreme fear.

I tend to think that her sometimes inconsistent replies to the 911 operator were a result of fear and not intoxication. It can be quite difficult to articulate things and answer questions when you’re in fight or flight mode.

In general, people who call 911 often are frantic and not always able to convey what’s happening, which is why your address is the first thing they ask for. Unfortunately Shannan didn’t know the address. :(
 
Wow! Great post.

I think your number 2 is really two separate points. One of which is original AFAIK.

I've never heard anyone mention 2a.

2a. It is very inconsistent for police to publicly cast no suspicion towards Brewer and praise his alleged candor. But then ignore Brewers reports of Shannan's (non) drug use.

Great, original point-

and I agree with point 2b: that any kind of mental incapacity (for which there is no evidence) still would not explain away the evidence that someone was trying to harm Shannan.

MOO
In regards to 2a, I definitely think it suggests that their investigation was never that thorough to begin with. IMO, that inconsistency alone raises eyebrows

Edit: thanks, by the way! :)
 
Detective Portela is still alive working as a commentator:

Killer of Idaho college students still at large: Retired detective says answers lie in phone records​

Retired Suffolk County, N.Y. homicide detective Pat Portela on the murder of four Idaho college students



Sini said his attempts to remove Patrick Portela came to a head in 2021, when he was informed by Suffolk police brass that the FBI “was not going to invest more resources into the case if Patrick Portela remained on”.

Law enforcement officials said a homicide supervisor finally removed Portela after the supervisor was threatened with demotion by his own higher-ups.


The release “would compromise confidential information and interfere with and frustrate the SCPD’s efforts with respect to that investigation,” Det. Patrick Portela, the lead investigator, said in a court filing…

Vesselin Mitev, said after a court hearing last week that Suffolk police had just sought the public’s help with an open case by releasing a video showing the 2014 shooting of Oheka Castle owner Gary Melius.

“And this case has been pending for six years,” Mitev said of Gilbert’s unsolved disappearance and death

"Vesselin Mitev, said after a court hearing last week that Suffolk police had just sought the public’s help with an open case by releasing a video showing the 2014 shooting of Oheka Castle owner Gary Melius."

For my own reasons (and I'm guessing you might share the sentiment) this is another case I think was covered up by that same regime of SCPD.

MOO
 
Bam!!!!

@Diddian have you had an opportunity to read the depositions??
They are incredibly enlightening.
@Warwick7 is correct imo. If you're interested @Diddian links are here:


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New York (CNN) -- Gus Coletti was shaving when he heard a bang on the door of his house on a barrier island in New York.
"Help me! Help me!" a woman pleaded when he opened the door, shaving cream still on his face.
Coletti says he dialed 911 as the woman bolted, tripping halfway down his steep wooden staircase before unsuccessfully seeking help at a neighbor's home.

Now, a year later, Coletti is convinced that the woman he saw that morning was Shannan Gilbert, a prostitute whose disappearance triggered an investigation that led police to discover at least eight bodies on a remote stretch of beach in Long Island. In an interview months ago, however, he said he couldn't be sure it was Gilbert at his door that day.
Police say they suspect a serial killer or killers.

Authorities in New York's Suffolk and Nassau Counties and in New Jersey, along with the FBI, are still searching for Gilbert, a resident of Jersey City, New Jersey.
If Coletti did see Gilbert, he may have been the last person known to have seen her before she vanished.

Yet he says it took Suffolk County police four months to question him, an assertion the police deny.
"A missing person detective came in August, was asking about her. I said, 'Where have you been?' " Coletti said.
Investigators in Suffolk County say Coletti gave them a written statement a month after he called 911 to report seeing the woman at his door, but Coletti disputes that.
"They never got a statement from me in June," he says.
Coletti has insisted that he gave police a written statement in December, eight months after he says the woman knocked on his door.
The Suffolk County police also say they have spoken to Coletti several times since last May 1, though they did not specify when those discussions happened.
His account is chilling.
It was about 5 a.m. when Coletti, 75, says he heard a knock on the door of his home on the barrier island hamlet of Oak Beach, New York.
After the woman dashed away from his house, Coletti says, she hid under his boat, elevated and parked on his lawn, as an SUV drove up. Coletti says he walked up to the vehicle and questioned the driver, whom he described a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds.
"I went down, and I stopped him, and I said, 'Where do you think you're going?' " recalled Coletti.
The man said he was searching for the woman because she had left a party upset, and he was trying to find her to bring her back to the house, according to Coletti.
"I says, 'I already called the police. Stay right here.' He says, 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled.
Gilbert dashed from the boat and ran around the corner toward the beach, Coletti said. The driver then pursued her.
Police arrived about 45 minutes later, and Coletti directed them to the road to the beach.
Coletti says a detective showed up in August to ask him about what happened that day. In response to Coletti's "Where have you been?" question, the detective told him he had just received the missing person report from New Jersey.
"New Jersey dropped the ball. He blamed it on New Jersey," Coletti said.
Jersey City Police Department spokesman Lt. Edgar Martinez said, "We have no comment on any ongoing investigation in our jurisdiction. We are investigating a missing person."

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By Allan Chernoff, CNN
April 14, 2011 -- Updated 1610 GMT (0010 HKT)


wOW, what an eye opener.
 
New York (CNN) -- Gus Coletti was shaving when he heard a bang on the door of his house on a barrier island in New York.
"Help me! Help me!" a woman pleaded when he opened the door, shaving cream still on his face.
Coletti says he dialed 911 as the woman bolted, tripping halfway down his steep wooden staircase before unsuccessfully seeking help at a neighbor's home.

Now, a year later, Coletti is convinced that the woman he saw that morning was Shannan Gilbert, a prostitute whose disappearance triggered an investigation that led police to discover at least eight bodies on a remote stretch of beach in Long Island. In an interview months ago, however, he said he couldn't be sure it was Gilbert at his door that day.
Police say they suspect a serial killer or killers.

Authorities in New York's Suffolk and Nassau Counties and in New Jersey, along with the FBI, are still searching for Gilbert, a resident of Jersey City, New Jersey.
If Coletti did see Gilbert, he may have been the last person known to have seen her before she vanished.

Yet he says it took Suffolk County police four months to question him, an assertion the police deny.
"A missing person detective came in August, was asking about her. I said, 'Where have you been?' " Coletti said.
Investigators in Suffolk County say Coletti gave them a written statement a month after he called 911 to report seeing the woman at his door, but Coletti disputes that.
"They never got a statement from me in June," he says.
Coletti has insisted that he gave police a written statement in December, eight months after he says the woman knocked on his door.
The Suffolk County police also say they have spoken to Coletti several times since last May 1, though they did not specify when those discussions happened.
His account is chilling.
It was about 5 a.m. when Coletti, 75, says he heard a knock on the door of his home on the barrier island hamlet of Oak Beach, New York.
After the woman dashed away from his house, Coletti says, she hid under his boat, elevated and parked on his lawn, as an SUV drove up. Coletti says he walked up to the vehicle and questioned the driver, whom he described a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds.
"I went down, and I stopped him, and I said, 'Where do you think you're going?' " recalled Coletti.
The man said he was searching for the woman because she had left a party upset, and he was trying to find her to bring her back to the house, according to Coletti.
"I says, 'I already called the police. Stay right here.' He says, 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled.
Gilbert dashed from the boat and ran around the corner toward the beach, Coletti said. The driver then pursued her.
Police arrived about 45 minutes later, and Coletti directed them to the road to the beach.
Coletti says a detective showed up in August to ask him about what happened that day. In response to Coletti's "Where have you been?" question, the detective told him he had just received the missing person report from New Jersey.
"New Jersey dropped the ball. He blamed it on New Jersey," Coletti said.
Jersey City Police Department spokesman Lt. Edgar Martinez said, "We have no comment on any ongoing investigation in our jurisdiction. We are investigating a missing person."

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By Allan Chernoff, CNN
April 14, 2011 -- Updated 1610 GMT (0010 HKT)


wOW, what an eye opener.
Good Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
This version is slightly different but reporting delayed statement and is mostly congruent with the cNN story


For observers, what remained most perplexing was that the police ultimately ruled out Shannan Gilbert as a victim of the serial killer. Commissioner Dormer maintained that Shannan’s death was an accident. According to his theory, she ran off into the brush at Oak Beach, got tangled up, and drowned in the marshy water.


Geberth finds that theory ludicrous. “You can’t separate the victims, because they all fit the same profile: They’re all Craigslist girls, they all went to meet somebody out on Long Island, and they didn’t come back. How are you trying to separate these?” he asks. “And to suggest that Shannan died accidentally? Give me a break!”


“I don’t understand how they can be walking around as if nothing happened,” Gus Coletti says of Pak and Brewer. “It makes no sense.” It’s December 13, 2011, and Coletti is standing outside the entrance to the Oak Island Beach Association. Because this is the first anniversary of the initial discoveries at Gilgo Beach, the families of the victims have gathered here on a brisk, crystal-clear winter’s day to hold a vigil. Coletti believes the killer is local, “not necessarily someone from out here on Oak Beach, but nearby.”
 
New York (CNN) -- Gus Coletti was shaving when he heard a bang on the door of his house on a barrier island in New York.
"Help me! Help me!" a woman pleaded when he opened the door, shaving cream still on his face.
Coletti says he dialed 911 as the woman bolted, tripping halfway down his steep wooden staircase before unsuccessfully seeking help at a neighbor's home.

Now, a year later, Coletti is convinced that the woman he saw that morning was Shannan Gilbert, a prostitute whose disappearance triggered an investigation that led police to discover at least eight bodies on a remote stretch of beach in Long Island. In an interview months ago, however, he said he couldn't be sure it was Gilbert at his door that day.
Police say they suspect a serial killer or killers.

Authorities in New York's Suffolk and Nassau Counties and in New Jersey, along with the FBI, are still searching for Gilbert, a resident of Jersey City, New Jersey.
If Coletti did see Gilbert, he may have been the last person known to have seen her before she vanished.

Yet he says it took Suffolk County police four months to question him, an assertion the police deny.
"A missing person detective came in August, was asking about her. I said, 'Where have you been?' " Coletti said.
Investigators in Suffolk County say Coletti gave them a written statement a month after he called 911 to report seeing the woman at his door, but Coletti disputes that.
"They never got a statement from me in June," he says.
Coletti has insisted that he gave police a written statement in December, eight months after he says the woman knocked on his door.
The Suffolk County police also say they have spoken to Coletti several times since last May 1, though they did not specify when those discussions happened.
His account is chilling.
It was about 5 a.m. when Coletti, 75, says he heard a knock on the door of his home on the barrier island hamlet of Oak Beach, New York.
After the woman dashed away from his house, Coletti says, she hid under his boat, elevated and parked on his lawn, as an SUV drove up. Coletti says he walked up to the vehicle and questioned the driver, whom he described a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds.
"I went down, and I stopped him, and I said, 'Where do you think you're going?' " recalled Coletti.
The man said he was searching for the woman because she had left a party upset, and he was trying to find her to bring her back to the house, according to Coletti.
"I says, 'I already called the police. Stay right here.' He says, 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled.
Gilbert dashed from the boat and ran around the corner toward the beach, Coletti said. The driver then pursued her.
Police arrived about 45 minutes later, and Coletti directed them to the road to the beach.
Coletti says a detective showed up in August to ask him about what happened that day. In response to Coletti's "Where have you been?" question, the detective told him he had just received the missing person report from New Jersey.
"New Jersey dropped the ball. He blamed it on New Jersey," Coletti said.
Jersey City Police Department spokesman Lt. Edgar Martinez said, "We have no comment on any ongoing investigation in our jurisdiction. We are investigating a missing person."

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By Allan Chernoff, CNN
April 14, 2011 -- Updated 1610 GMT (0010 HKT)


wOW, what an eye opener.
This matches what Scalise said in his statement.

So we can use your post to piece together the puzzle.
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1. Gus Coletti was shaving when he heard a bang on the door of his house on a barrier island in New York.
"Help me! Help me!" a woman pleaded when he opened the door, shaving cream still on his face.

2. Coletti says he dialed 911 as the woman bolted, tripping halfway down his steep wooden staircase before unsuccessfully seeking help at a neighbor's home. (MOO is she was running from that party. And Pak was pursuing her to bring her back).

3. Yet he says it took Suffolk County police four months to question him, an assertion the police deny.
"A missing person detective came in August, was asking about her. I said, 'Where have you been?
' (This must be where crooked LE were still inhibiting anything being searched out on LI).

4. Investigators in Suffolk County say Coletti gave them a written statement a month after he called 911 to report seeing the woman at his door, but Coletti disputes that.
"They never got a statement from me in June," he says.
Coletti has insisted that he gave police a written statement in December, eight months after he says the woman knocked on his door.
The Suffolk County police also say they have spoken to Coletti several times since last May 1, though they did not specify when those discussions happened.

5. After the woman dashed away from his house, Coletti says, she hid under his boat, elevated and parked on his lawn, as an SUV drove up. Coletti says he walked up to the vehicle and questioned the driver, whom he described a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds.
"I went down, and I stopped him, and I said, 'Where do you think you're going?' " recalled Coletti.

6. The man said he was searching for the woman because she had left a party upset, and he was trying to find her to bring her back to the house, according to Coletti. (That blows out of the water Brewer and Pak stating they were trying to get her to leave Brewer's house.)

7. "I said, 'I already called the police. Stay right here.' He says, 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled.

8. Gilbert dashed from the boat and ran around the corner toward the beach, Coletti said. Pak then pursued her.

9. I think after this is where Scalise's statement comes in. Pak, Canning, Hackett found her and gave her a needle full of something.

10. Police arrived about 45 minutes later, and Coletti directed them to the road to the beach.
 
This matches what Scalise said in his statement.

So we can use your post to piece together the puzzle.
---------------

1. Gus Coletti was shaving when he heard a bang on the door of his house on a barrier island in New York.
"Help me! Help me!" a woman pleaded when he opened the door, shaving cream still on his face.

2. Coletti says he dialed 911 as the woman bolted, tripping halfway down his steep wooden staircase before unsuccessfully seeking help at a neighbor's home. (MOO is she was running from that party. And Pak was pursuing her to bring her back).

3. Yet he says it took Suffolk County police four months to question him, an assertion the police deny.
"A missing person detective came in August, was asking about her. I said, 'Where have you been?
' (This must be where crooked LE were still inhibiting anything being searched out on LI).

4. Investigators in Suffolk County say Coletti gave them a written statement a month after he called 911 to report seeing the woman at his door, but Coletti disputes that.
"They never got a statement from me in June," he says.
Coletti has insisted that he gave police a written statement in December, eight months after he says the woman knocked on his door.
The Suffolk County police also say they have spoken to Coletti several times since last May 1, though they did not specify when those discussions happened.

5. After the woman dashed away from his house, Coletti says, she hid under his boat, elevated and parked on his lawn, as an SUV drove up. Coletti says he walked up to the vehicle and questioned the driver, whom he described a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds.
"I went down, and I stopped him, and I said, 'Where do you think you're going?' " recalled Coletti.

6. The man said he was searching for the woman because she had left a party upset, and he was trying to find her to bring her back to the house, according to Coletti. (That blows out of the water Brewer and Pak stating they were trying to get her to leave Brewer's house.)

7. "I said, 'I already called the police. Stay right here.' He says, 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled.

8. Gilbert dashed from the boat and ran around the corner toward the beach, Coletti said. Pak then pursued her.

9. I think after this is where Scalise's statement comes in. Pak, Canning, Hackett found her and gave her a needle full of something.

10. Police arrived about 45 minutes later, and Coletti directed them to the road to the beach.
Toto, we're on to something.
Everything valuable I have found is from searching for somebody or a phrase for sN the other night about Shannon being in kitchen..

There's tons more..
 
I just finished Canning's deposition. He is up to his eyes with lies and inconsistencies! He said he never saw Shannan. He says he was not at any party at Brewer's. He says LE told him not to talk. There are so many more lies.
To back that up here is this document.




View attachment 440015
There are a lot of lies and inconsistencies. I believe that Shannan was murdered, and there are several people in Oak Beach who know more than they are saying. I'm not sure I believe every word Joe Scalise says, either. But when I suspect lies from him, I suspect he is pretending to know more than he does about Shannan's demise. I could be wrong. If only there were a full, credible investigation.

MOO
 
I just finished Canning's deposition. He is up to his eyes with lies and inconsistencies! He said he never saw Shannan. He says he was not at any party at Brewer's. He says LE told him not to talk. There are so many more lies.
To back that up here is this document.




View attachment 440015
OMG this raises all sorts of alarm bells
 
<Admin Note: Posts were removed from the Gilgo thread because Shannan is not KNOWN to be a victim of same killer and detailed discussion of her case was off topic in that thread>

 
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To me it was bombshell news.

It still is.
I'm deeply shocked and annoyed with myself for it.
Just the wish for things to finally come right for each and every one of them in the only way it can on this planet, the justice system has now become thwarted for me.
I cannot accept it as truth or accuracy.
 
On another thread I stated my thoughts on Pak and added a thought from the post up above:
MOO
1. While in the house she contacted him several times. (In other words please help, come and get me.)
2. She was upset he was using her real name. It went against how they ran escorting. She knew something was up.
3. Her staunch refusal to leave JB's home is very much unlike how most escorts operate. Since they were partaking in an illicit activity, you don't want to draw attention to yourself but she kept doing that and wanted the police there.
4. Pak never takes the phone to talk to 911, let alone give them the address to where SG was at.
5. If she made her own appointments, like Pak said, why didn't she know the address to where she was at? She didn't know because Pak booked appointments, particularly this one.
6. Brewer fakes he wants her to leave and go home--Pak plays along.
7. They know she's on a 911 call, they play along like they are the good guys.
8. Pak said Brewer and SG left to go get cards, lube and prescription meds. It's all a set up. If they would have found her sooner and tested her hair and body, I'm sure they would have found they drugged her.
9. About a half a dozen times she says asks if "this" was all a set up. She knew what was going on.
10. She knew he was apart of what was happening to her:
SG: You're being sarcastic.
Pak: About what?
SG: About this.. you were part of this all
along.

I could say more.....
I have to relisten. Now that I think about it, did Brewer say even once on the 911 call that he wanted Shannan out of the house as in, go home now? Or was he only saying he wanted to walk out with her and Pak?

If it turns out Brewer never says ,"Go home," "Get her out," or something to that effect, and only seems to want to have them all leave together....

I'm going to be sooo mad that 1) I hadn't noticed, and that 2) Investigators who are paid to fight crime hadnt noticed.

I'll be back in a few hours, angrier or embarrassed, depending on what I hear.

MOO


Edit/update:

Brewer repeatedly says the three of them are going to leave together. We are all going outside. Brewer added, "please come on." Shannan asked, "why?" Brewer said "Just come outside."

I think Brewer probably figures out that his gruffer style might not be as effective as Pak trying to affably condescend and gaslight. Or maybe he thinks she will trust Pak more. So only after repeatedly saying they are all leaving together, Brewer finally says, I'm going upstairs. You leave. And he adds, "Take care," to Pak.

Now, in the deposition, Brewer indicated that his bedroom was on the main floor, where all that discussion occurred, and the drifter guy was an intermittent tenant upstairs. It was not Brewers room. Brewer also said that it was possible to exit the room and go down outdoor steps behind the house. One possibility was he figured he'd meet Shannan and Pak that way. Yet he does eventually come down from the inside, I believe.

While Brewer is upstairs, Shannan asks if Pak is going to kill her. He laughs it off, and she tries the more effective question, "Why are you going to kill me?" Which Pak does not answer. Even with a denial.

Breaking News: Brewer was asking Shannan to come outside with him and Pak. He was not telling her to leave.

MOO
 
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