Possible Victim: Valerie Mack, 24, Manorville Jane Doe #6, missing 2000, found Nov 2000 & Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

[truthspider]

sorry, I saw the video again and still disagree. Yes they are wooden ducks but not. For hunting waterfowl? They are items commonly found in antique stores or home and garden decor stores.

Real decoys that are used for hunting waterfowl from a boat have a weighted keel on the bottom (to allow them to float upright) as well as an eye socket underneath to tie the anchor chord to. Those duck decorations that CPH's wife has collecting dust on her porch would turn belly-up or sink to the bottom if someone attempted to float them as decoys. If you look closer you can see that they aren't even the same species of duck (and there are only two).

Show me a bag of decoys with weights and anchor lines and then you have something worth mentioning.

Question about the float bottomed boat- is it on a trailer or is it lying on the ground?

I'm past the duck hunter thing really, just wanted to point out that they are not plastic plant potter ducks, but wooden antiquey decoy-esque ducks.

I don't remember, I should have taken pictures but I didn't. At this point my memory is imprecise though I think I saw 2 boats: a 20 ft or so center console with a V, and a flat bottom boat. Neither of these 2 boats appeared to be the 26 foot canyon explorer. For a guy who wants to "relocate to Florida because NY is expensive" he sure has a a lot of boats around.

 

[inspctrgadget]

My guess is that the killer will strike again in May/June 2012 now that duck hunting season is over in NYS. He's had time between when the first body was found in late 2010 till now to recalibrate his M.O. He's comfortable he's not being watched. He'll choose a new dump site and pickup methodology.

Snow geese ran through April 15th. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28888.html

Now starts "*advertiser censored*" season for this looney.

This waterfowl association needs to be torn apart. They're the only ones with:
1) a direct, ongoing connection to both of the two dump sites in Manorville and Cedar Beach (50 miles apart!!!)
2) a direct connection to burlap (duck hunting camouflage)
3) major childhood/youth trauma in their leadership ranks (violent physical abuse/family history of sexual abuse)


Am I the only one who sees this?

 

[mysterymom7]

I haven't gone through all the posts here, yet. So I apologize if this has already been asked...

Is Jane Doe #6/Jane Doe Manorville 2000 also the mother of the child on Gilgo? I'm getting conflicting info. Thanks for the help!

 

[Redbird]

These are my notes from the list that came out at the time all had been found in Newday and other major media (sorry I don't have better links) starting from right to left.

VICTIMS AS BEING ID'D IN MEDIA

1. MAUREEN BRAINERD BARNES, July 9, 2007
2. MELISSA BARTHELMY, July 12, 2009
3. MEGAN WATERMAN, June 16, 2010
4. AMBER LYNN COSTELLO, Sept. 2, 2010
5. JESSICA TAYLOR, July 21, 2003, dismembered, (Partial remains in LI - torso found in Manorville) her Head, Hands and Forearm were found in the brush off OP
6. Jane Doe No. 6, dismembered, reconstruction, last seen Summ 2000, Nov 19, 2000, Baby Doe found just East of her, Right foot and Hands found 4/14/11; OTHER body parts of Jane Doe #6 found in Manorville 2/19/2000, only her partial remains were found on Oak Beach. Her torso was located in the same Manorville area as Jessica Taylor's torso.
7. Baby girl Doe
8. Asian male tranny John Doe No. 8 The male victim was 5-feet-6-inches and was missing both the top and bottom molars and one of his top front teeth. Investigators determined that he was wearing women's' clothes when he died between five and 10 years ago, Dormer said.
9. Jane Doe #9 skull and bag of bones, UID body - found 4/11/11 - Parts matched legs found in garbage bag which was found on Fire Island in 1996!!!
10. Jane Doe #10 west most set of remains in Naussau Co. mother of Baby

 

[fred&edna]

These are my notes from the list that came out at the time all had been found in Newday and other major media (sorry I don't have better links) starting from right to left.

VICTIMS AS BEING ID'D IN MEDIA

1. MAUREEN BRAINERD BARNES, July 9, 2007
2. MELISSA BARTHELMY, July 12, 2009
3. MEGAN WATERMAN, June 16, 2010
4. AMBER LYNN COSTELLO, Sept. 2, 2010
5. JESSICA TAYLOR, July 21, 2003, dismembered, (Partial remains in LI - torso found in Manorville) her Head, Hands and Forearm were found in the brush off OP
6. Jane Doe No. 6, dismembered, reconstruction, last seen Summ 2000, Nov 19, 2000, Baby Doe found just East of her, Right foot and Hands found 4/14/11; OTHER body parts of Jane Doe #6 found in Manorville 2/19/2000, only her partial remains were found on Oak Beach. Her torso was located in the same Manorville area as Jessica Taylor's torso.
7. Baby girl Doe
8. Asian male tranny John Doe No. 8 The male victim was 5-feet-6-inches and was missing both the top and bottom molars and one of his top front teeth. Investigators determined that he was wearing women's' clothes when he died between five and 10 years ago, Dormer said.
9. Jane Doe #9 skull and bag of bones, UID body - found 4/11/11 - Parts matched legs found in garbage bag which was found on Fire Island in 1996!!!
10. Jane Doe #10 west most set of remains in Naussau Co. mother of Baby

Good list! I remember "surgical scars on legs" which one was that? Maybe I'm wrong... it's so difficult to keep up (sadly).

 

[Redbird]

One of the best maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=...641,-73.092041&spn=0.925376,2.113495&t=h&z=10

Created on May 1, 2011 · By shadowraiths

 

[mysterymom7]

Good list! I remember "surgical scars on legs" which one was that? Maybe I'm wrong... it's so difficult to keep up (sadly).

That was the legs found on Fire Island in April 1996.

 

[Justiceforever]

The more I read about SCPD the less faith I have that this case will ever be solved.

You and me both!

 

[inspctrgadget]

Anybody wanna go set up a LISK table at the SSWA duckboat show this month?

http://www.sswa.org

Maybe you can ask if anyone thinks its strange that about 10 bodies were discovered at their two event locations, Cedar Beach and Halsey Manor Rd. in Manorville. Maybe you can ask around and find out who in their group was an active member in 2000 and 2003, active enough to go out to the Manorville shooting range a few times with that small group of "serious" members/officers.

Maybe ask if that individual is likely to have a bunch of burlap laying around for building duck blinds. In fact, never mind, since they already appear in an online photo with a huge piece of burlap.

In my opinion, the Suffolk County Police should set up a booth there asking for any information that might be helpful.

 

[truthspider]

Anybody wanna go set up a LISK table at the SSWA duckboat show this month?

http://www.sswa.org

Maybe you can ask if anyone thinks its strange that about 10 bodies were discovered at their two event locations, Cedar Beach and Halsey Manor Rd. in Manorville. Maybe you can ask around and find out who in their group was an active member in 2000 and 2003, active enough to go out to the Manorville shooting range a few times with that small group of "serious" members/officers.

Maybe ask if that individual is likely to have a bunch of burlap laying around for building duck blinds. In fact, never mind, since they already appear in an online photo with a huge piece of burlap.

In my opinion, the Suffolk County Police should set up a booth there asking for any information that might be helpful.

I like this idea, the thought of me going undercover as a duck hunter to glean info is highly entertaining. Unfortunately, I believe the burlap used was clam bags. I have no way to authenticate the veracity of this claim, but I believe it to be true. I have heard that some locals have been shown photos of burlap clam sacks and asked if they have recognized them.

I think that makes the burlap fairly useless as many people on the barrier island probably have a rusty old clam rake and a nylon or burlap clam sack in their garage or shed. I wonder if any oak beach residents have applied for a shell fishing license in the last 10 years?

IG, do you think that the water fowlers would use burlap sacks to carry around the downed ducks while they are hunting? I would think the burlap would have traces of whatever wildlife, ducks, clams, mussels, oysters, bay scallops, etc was carried around in them if anything ever were.

 

[inspctrgadget]

I like this idea, the thought of me going undercover as a duck hunter to glean info is highly entertaining. Unfortunately, I believe the burlap used was clam bags. I have no way to authenticate the veracity of this claim, but I believe it to be true. I have heard that some locals have been shown photos of burlap clam sacks and asked if they have recognized them.

I think that makes the burlap fairly useless as many people on the barrier island probably have a rusty old clam rake and a nylon or burlap clam sack in their garage or shed. I wonder if any oak beach residents have applied for a shell fishing license in the last 10 years?

IG, do you think that the water fowlers would use burlap sacks to carry around the downed ducks while they are hunting? I would think the burlap would have traces of whatever wildlife, ducks, clams, mussels, oysters, bay scallops, etc was carried around in them if anything ever were.

I guarantee if you go that duckboat show, you will see LOTS of burlap. Its used extensively in this sport. Its used for camouflage. On boats, for layout blinds, for carrying stuff. For dead bodies.

As far as whether the GB4 were found in "bags" or not, I'm not sure. Sheets are definitely used. So are bags. I would also think that there would be a lot of degradation after only a short period of time, so I'm not sure if you'd find trace evidence or not. And maybe anything you found would be non-specific anyway given the saltwater, outdoor environment.

http://www.foremosthunting.com/Duck/Gear/CarryingDuckDecoys/tabid/1297/Default.aspx

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Allen-Blind-Fabric-Camo-Burlap-Mossy-Oak-Break-Up-/00/$%28KGrHqJ,!igE5g8YFlWmBOezEqt!8!~~_35.JPG

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=138513

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7367&start=0

http://acrylicduckcalls.com/duck-bl...-guide-to-cheap-duck-blind-construction-2/959

 

[inspctrgadget]

I like this idea, the thought of me going undercover as a duck hunter to glean info is highly entertaining. Unfortunately, I believe the burlap used was clam bags. I have no way to authenticate the veracity of this claim, but I believe it to be true. I have heard that some locals have been shown photos of burlap clam sacks and asked if they have recognized them.

I think that makes the burlap fairly useless as many people on the barrier island probably have a rusty old clam rake and a nylon or burlap clam sack in their garage or shed. I wonder if any oak beach residents have applied for a shell fishing license in the last 10 years?

IG, do you think that the water fowlers would use burlap sacks to carry around the downed ducks while they are hunting? I would think the burlap would have traces of whatever wildlife, ducks, clams, mussels, oysters, bay scallops, etc was carried around in them if anything ever were.

Duck hunters refer to "layout blinds" as "coffin blinds". So in addition to the camouflage aspect of burlap, this could be some kind of "burial ritual" if the killer was indeed a duck hunter.

My guess is that sometime in 2007, he bought himself a commercially made layout blind and no longer uses burlap to build his "coffin blinds" every season.

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=505
http://www.ehow.com/way_5414553_homemade-layout-blinds.html
http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=234267.0

 

[deedee21]

I think a report stated that legs were found at Davis Park on Fire Island. The rest of the remains were found on Ocean Parkway. Does this mean someone traveled by ferry or boat with body parts. On another note. Whats the housing situation for lifeguards during the summer months. I saw part of a documentary called Jones Beach Boys. Its about the guards on the south shore all the way to Montauk. Some come from out of state. Some guys are guards for up to 20 years.

 

[mysterymom7]

I think a report stated that legs were found at Davis Park on Fire Island. The rest of the remains were found on Ocean Parkway. Does this mean someone traveled by ferry or boat with body parts. On another note. Whats the housing situation for lifeguards during the summer months. I saw part of a documentary called Jones Beach Boys. Its about the guards on the south shore all the way to Montauk. Some come from out of state. Some guys are guards for up to 20 years.

That's Jane Doe 9098 whose legs were found East of Davis Park on Fire Island. I posted a map on her thread.

 

[truthspider]

That's Jane Doe 9098 whose legs were found East of Davis Park on Fire Island. I posted a map on her thread.

they were west of davis park. near bluepoint beach. the reports are that they were on the shoreline, washed up along the beach. it's not that complicated, they weren't brought there by a person, they drifted there.

 

[mysterymom7]

they were west of davis park. near bluepoint beach. the reports are that they were on the shoreline, washed up along the beach. it's not that complicated, they weren't brought there by a person, they drifted there.

Oops! Thanks for the correction! I knew that, too.

 

[LINative13]

Its like a weird spot where currents come together and push everything towards the shore. All kinds of garbage (not calling the person's leg's garbage) show up there. Nice to pay a million dollars for a 3 bedroom with an outhouse and have a garbage collection cove next door.

 

[truthspider]

Its like a weird spot where currents come together and push everything towards the shore. All kinds of garbage (not calling the person's leg's garbage) show up there. Nice to pay a million dollars for a 3 bedroom with an outhouse and have a garbage collection cove next door.

someone paid a mil for a bay house in Davis? gotta love those wall st driven bubbles that spread economic cancer to the masses... dang.

although, I think the roses are buying up those bay houses, they can afford to be ripped off lol.

 

[inspctrgadget]

So it seems that my POI, who was seen in Manorville and Cedar Beach in 2000 and 2003, (and also seen with burlap) is also an electrician for the MTA/LIRR.

As I was thinking about this, it occurred to me that there may be some seasonality to an electricians' work on a railroad. I was right - the LIRR has a Summer Track Work Program - probably because its too cold to do anything in the winter. They revise train schedules, etc., and probably work 24X7.

Furthermore, it looks like in 2009, when we can place the serial killer in Manhattan for the month of July/August, LIRR electricians were involved in a huge project called the East Side Access Project.

http://www.mta.info/capconstr/esas/documents/ESA Quarterly Report 2009 Q3.pdf

East Side Access
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Side_Access
http://www.mta.info/capconstr/esas/documents.htm

Here's an announcement on the "Summer Track Work Program":
http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?agency=lirr&en=090514-LIRR57
http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=673
http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?agency=lirr&en=120828-LIRR2

 

[LINative13]

Those electricians work year round. ANywhere from Penn Station to Montauk. The cold does not stop them.

I am not sure how many electricians were invovled in east side access. I do not think many (although I did not read your article). Maybe I am wrong. They were pouring concrete and still boring the hole. The sandhog union was (Possibly still is) there, and athe mass majority of that work is subcontracted out by the MTA.