Psychic Ginnette Lucas claims she was on the phone with D. Casey while he searched

[cajun]

LOL Yet he is the first one to take it to the OCSO and the FBI. The defense is going to assert JH is the one lying about this video and search when we can see DC has already been caught in more than one, imo.

I don't care if JH cashes in if it brings this nonsense from the A fam camp to a halt and shows everyone the lengths they will go to in this case!! It is worth it, imo.

Now that we know the details about the house...it looks even worse for the defense and for DC. One could think he was going to find Caylee and move her body to the G house to further the defense theory or something, imo (not saying it is what he was doing...just saying a person could think it!).

Imagine that, that exactly what I think they were fixin' to do.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't realize you had seen the entire tape to confirm what is or is not on it.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I wonder if anyone is following the money trail from the Anthony's? Where are they getting money? Why are all these people working for nothing? Nothing adds up in this case. I hope someone is investigating the A's, how much money they got, what they are living on, how they spent or are spending the money they got. I wonder if the prosecution can found out who paid for KC's defense and all these experts she has? Do they have to reveal it in court if they are asked?

Yes, they do have to reveal in court if asked. There are somethings working in that area. The mods here don't like it posted, so I won't, but be assured all of their finances are being investigated.

This case is one which makes me wish I was LE. There are so many people I would like to have their power to investigate and take down.

 

[angeleleven]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but IMO if he was talking to the psychic, he had at least one more phone he was using at the time and that's the person LE needs to know about.
I think his talking to a psyhic directing him here and there is a sham. If she's that good, I'd like tonight and tomorrow's winning lotto numbers please.

Also if she is that good, she should be able to tell who committed the murder and how.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Bev - I disagree about it (the tape) being introduced as evidence IF DC WAS TALKING TO KC - oh yes ma'am at that point that tape is evidence and will be submitted as such. Now, IF DC was talking to another A - yes ma'am that tape will be submitted as evidence also as all A's are on the witness list and therefore to be questioned as to why they we're talking to DC while he was roaming around the area very close to where she was found.

 

[LancelotLink]

Yes. I can see you have nothing to back this up. You keep repeating it, but no one can confirm it. We do not know what is on the REST of the tape or tapes that OCSO or the FBI have. We also do not know about what is being said on the audio portion.

What is wrong with this picture is that DC should have come out with the truth the first time the video was brought up. HE did not. Instead, he has been caught in more than one lie about this video. People do not lie unless they have something to hide. So far...what lies has Hoover been caught in so we can compare here?!

:bow:

 

[Bev]

Well, obviously, she wasn't good, he didn't find a body. Perhaps he checked out the psychic's tip for the same reason LE will check out a psychic's tip - to appease the family

 

[tehcloser]

I have news for you, I don't need "to back anything up" because I'm not the one making claims. In this entire tape there is no evidence whatsoever that PI Casey found the body, knew where the body was, removed the body, brought the body to the crime scene, hid the body or came into any contact at all with the body dumping site.

Everyone is perfectly free to speculate all they want, but this will not be entered as evidence in the court trial. It is meaningless to the case.

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And speculating is all you are doing. You do not "know" any more than the rest of us that the tape will or won't be used. Unless you're psychic????

 

[Fairfaux08]

I imagine before it was shown in a movie, many would have chuckled at the idea of American Indians being specificly recruited as code breakers because they seemed to have a genetic knack for it. MOO

fftopic:. Sorry, but being a future educator who primarily works and researches about racism, and this is a public board, I always feel compelled to dispell the old myths that are passed along as truths. Specifically, that there are no scientific connections between genes and ethnicity or what people refer to as so-called "racial characteristics." Code-breaking by American Indians during WWII is culturally liguistic in nature and was chosen to be used by the Allied Forces because it was an unknown language to the enemies. :blowkiss:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Well, obviously, she wasn't good, he didn't find a body. Perhaps he checked out the psychic's tip for the same reason LE will check out a psychic's tip - to appease the family

Thing is that LE didn't want any help from GSJ OR this new psychic - both have said so publicly.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I have news for you, I don't need "to back anything up" because I'm not the one making claims. In this entire tape there is no evidence whatsoever that PI Casey found the body, knew where the body was, removed the body, brought the body to the crime scene, hid the body or came into any contact at all with the body dumping site.

Everyone is perfectly free to speculate all they want, but this will not be entered as evidence in the court trial. It is meaningless to the case. Even if PI Casey was speaking to KC, there is no recording of what was said, who said or when it was said. If he was speaking to anyone in the Anthony family, it is still not evidence, because no body was found. If he was speaking to Lee Anthony and Lee Anthony told him that KC told him the body was there, it would be hearsay and worthless to the jury in determining guilt. If he was speaking to a psychic it is even more ridiculous and worthless as evidence and would never be admitted as evidence, neither the prosecution OR the defense would want to claim that a psychic "found" the body, principally because no pyschic found the body, a meter reader found it and legally there is no such thing as "psychic evidence" - it isn't science it is junk.

So what do we have? We have someone trying to sell something that doesn't belong to him, that no one bought because it is valueless.

How do you know PI Casey "lied" about this tape? It could well be that he was talking to his daughter in this time frame - AND talking to the psychic ALSO. He also could have been following up on KC's friend's claim that this was a childhood hangout and she might have hidden the body at that location. He could well have been looking for signs that this was a teenage hangout - if it was a teenage hangout with recent evidence that people were hanging out there regularly, then he might have thought that she DIDN'T drop the body at the site, that it would have been easy for people to come across it. He might have been following up on tips that the meter reader and the kids who were at that site "saw" something. It was public record that the police did look at that site in August - maybe he was following up on that.

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First of all - HOW do YOU know what is on the ENTIRE TAPE? That has not been released that I know of, and if it has please provide a link to it.

Second - HOW do you know there is no audio to the tape?

Third - If LA were talking to him, then there is the direct link proving that the Anthony family KNEW she was dead and continued to collect money for finding her, not to mention the connection directly to KC unless one of them killed her.

Fourth - The finding by WS, Michelle and others of the house, has opened an entirely new area to be investigated.

Fifth - That "psychic" better have those phone records, or she is not going to just get publicity for her "abilities" but she may end up in jail for trying to hinder a murder investigation.

 

[Bev]

And how will the tape be used? As evidence of what? Evidence that the PI looked at two different sites and found nothing? How do you know he hasn't given LE a rational, reasonable explanation of his actions? It doesn't appear that LE is looking at either site - they haven't looked at the abandoned house and they haven't gone back to the woods by the school.

Read up on the rules of evidence.

There is NO direct link that LA knew anything. As evidence, even if phone records proved that the PI was talking to LA, he can claim that he was talking about football. For it to be direct evidence the police would have to have a recording of the conversation. How would the prosecution PROVE that this was the conversation? The tape shows him on the phone at the first site, it doesn't enlighten LE as to whom he was conversing. Even phone records aren't going to prove in a court of law what the conversation was about.

This is certainly not evidence that the Anthony family believed Caylee to be dead, in fact, the evidence points to them believing she might be alive - they were following up sightings of the child up until the day the body was found. So how is the prosecutor going to prove a "direct link" that the Anthonys knew the child was dead and continued to collect money? Thinking that it might be, doesn't make it so in a court of law.

I didn't say this particular LE was trying to appease the family, LE in general will talk to psychics if the family requests that they do so, because they feel sorry for the family and want to appear to check out even leads from psychics.

 

[Roze]

Since our WS sleuther, Michelle contacted Kathi Belich and all the info on the house has come out, DC & the Anthonys are sucking hind teat. If they had a plan to throw suspicion on those poor people who used to live there has gone by the wayside. I tend to think that may be where KC was staying with Caylee and could even be the murder scene.

As for this "known" psychic - I call BS. The media contact does not have an office evidently as the number is a cell phone number and unless I missed it the media contacts were not even up there yesterday. Here is the information on that BS

Manager for Media Interviews

Phone Number: (213) 400-1000
Line Type: Cell Phone
Phone Carrier: Blue Licenses Holding, Llc
City: Los Angeles
State: CA
County: Los Angeles
Latitude: 34.0500
Longitude: -118.2500

Found this:

LAX & Company, Bernie & Suzanne Lax, Manager
P.O. Bo 241207, Los Angeles, California 90024 United States
310-286-6666 . laxfilm@aol.com . www.SandyWattersCompany.com

 

[countzero]

I have news for you, I don't need "to back anything up" because I'm not the one making claims. In this entire tape there is no evidence whatsoever that PI Casey found the body, knew where the body was, removed the body, brought the body to the crime scene, hid the body or came into any contact at all with the body dumping site.

Everyone is perfectly free to speculate all they want, but this will not be entered as evidence in the court trial. It is meaningless to the case. Even if PI Casey was speaking to KC, there is no recording of what was said, who said or when it was said. If he was speaking to anyone in the Anthony family, it is still not evidence, because no body was found. If he was speaking to Lee Anthony and Lee Anthony told him that KC told him the body was there, it would be hearsay and worthless to the jury in determining guilt. If he was speaking to a psychic it is even more ridiculous and worthless as evidence and would never be admitted as evidence, neither the prosecution OR the defense would want to claim that a psychic "found" the body, principally because no pyschic found the body, a meter reader found it and legally there is no such thing as "psychic evidence" - it isn't science it is junk.

So what do we have? We have someone trying to sell something that doesn't belong to him, that no one bought because it is valueless.

How do you know PI Casey "lied" about this tape? It could well be that he was talking to his daughter in this time frame - AND talking to the psychic ALSO. He also could have been following up on KC's friend's claim that this was a childhood hangout and she might have hidden the body at that location. He could well have been looking for signs that this was a teenage hangout - if it was a teenage hangout with recent evidence that people were hanging out there regularly, then he might have thought that she DIDN'T drop the body at the site, that it would have been easy for people to come across it. He might have been following up on tips that the meter reader and the kids who were at that site "saw" something. It was public record that the police did look at that site in August - maybe he was following up on that.

Why does it follow that because he's working for the Anthonys, he's a liar, he's a bad guy, he's evil or anything other than the fact that as a professional he signed a contract with the defense attorney, which he has every right to do, he did the job he was hired to do, the job that defense attorneys ask PIs to do all the time and when the contract was over, he volunteered to help the Anthonys, perhaps because as a human being, he felt sorry for them? Isn't it possible that he's a good guy, a professional, a human being with compassion with pity for these people, who as a professional doesn't release details of the case, doesn't talk with the press and doesn't see a need to explain to the media who he was conversing with at any time during this case? If he had done that, it would be WRONG, it would be a violation of his clients' right to privacy in this investigation. He's under no obligation to divulge details to the press and as a private investigator he shouldn't divulge details to anyone other than his clients. If he was popping off to the press, everyone would be complaining about that.

Of course this family was looking for a live Caylee, who wants to believe that their beloved grandchild is dead?

Good post Bev and logically I agree with it. My personal position about this specific incident and having it in the public venue is that far too many connections keep circling around the A's. The more people involved, the greater the chance that someone will slip up and admit what really happened to Caylee since Caylee's remains couldn't.

Whether DC was on the phone with the psychic or not, he was not conducting a proper investigation according to other PI's who viewed the video. Even a lay person knows the manner in which he was searching was wrong and could have possibly lead to destruction of evidence.

If DC was talking with LA and LA was leading him to the remains, phone records would prove it and I don't think it would be hearsay. Perhaps LA could plea hearsay. But you are correct because no body was produced ON THE VIDEO. And unfortunately that is all we can process at the moment.

 

[curiositycat]

Like everything else in this case the whole thing stinks to high heaven!

It appears to me that the A's and attorney's are too involved in the cover up of what really happened in this case and not involved enough in Caylee's memorial service.

I am wondering when LE is going to come out with a statement to debunk all these phonies. I hope it's soon!:waitasec:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Well, obviously, she wasn't good, he didn't find a body. Perhaps he checked out the psychic's tip for the same reason LE will check out a psychic's tip - to appease the family

I call the psychic's tip - BS because that is the THIRD OR FOURTH story he has told about who he was talking to. That particular person is connected to KFN who we know are known criminals.

Do they really think that LE is that stupid to not find the connections, when someone like me on a message board found them within minutes?

 

[jennyb]

Since our WS sleuther, Michelle contacted Kathi Belich and all the info on the house has come out, DC & the Anthonys are sucking hind teat. If they had a plan to throw suspicion on those poor people who used to live there has gone by the wayside. I tend to think that may be where KC was staying with Caylee and could even be the murder scene.

As for this "known" psychic - I call BS. The media contact does not have an office evidently as the number is a cell phone number and unless I missed it the media contacts were not even up there yesterday. Here is the information on that BS

Manager for Media Interviews

Phone Number: (213) 400-1000
Line Type: Cell Phone
Phone Carrier: Blue Licenses Holding, Llc
City: Los Angeles
State: CA
County: Los Angeles
Latitude: 34.0500
Longitude: -118.2500

Skipping ahead and this may have been mentioned, but Turbo, I have been thinking the same thing. This could be the house where she had been keeping Caylee as well as being the possible murder site.

I don't know why LE (if they haven't) doesn't board up that place and do some forensic testing... luminol, etc. There could also be some of Caylee's hair or body fluid. Scratching my head here...

 

[kathyn2]

Me too Turbo. I am furious that this whole family seems to be crooks and seem to be getting away with so much and that even KCs lawyer looks crooked to me. I can't believe God will let them get away with all of this at the expense of a little girl. I also can't believe there are sooo many ugly people in this world that come to KCs defense at the expense of little Caylee for a few bucks. I would hate to meet my maker if I were any of these people.

This case is one which makes me wish I was LE. There are so many people I would like to have their power to investigate and take down.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:clap:

Since our WS sleuther, Michelle contacted Kathi Belich and all the info on the house has come out, DC & the Anthonys are sucking hind teat. If they had a plan to throw suspicion on those poor people who used to live there has gone by the wayside. I tend to think that may be where KC was staying with Caylee and could even be the murder scene.

As for this "known" psychic - I call BS. The media contact does not have an office evidently as the number is a cell phone number and unless I missed it the media contacts were not even up there yesterday. Here is the information on that BS

Manager for Media Interviews

Phone Number: (213) 400-1000
Line Type: Cell Phone
Phone Carrier: Blue Licenses Holding, Llc
City: Los Angeles
State: CA
County: Los Angeles
Latitude: 34.0500
Longitude: -118.2500

:clap: Well said Turbo! :clap: I agree with you 100% that this house may of been where little Caylee died. I have questioned the night of June 15, the big fight, Casey going to T.L. for a bit and then her phone pinged back at the Anthony home. This house in question would of pinged the same tower I would think. I also feel that the family that used to live here may of know Casey, or Casey may of know about them when she was house hunting and came across this vacant house. As for the this so called physic, she claims that she was talking to DC on Nov 15. Let's not forget the tip that was left with TES Nov 8 about the area the remains may of been and when D.C. called Hoover Nov 14th about finding Caylee. Hoover then Called Padilla Nov 15 and told him that they had found the Caylee. Then they went out again on Nov 16. Most feel this tape will not be relevant, but "IMO" it will hold a lot of weight against Casey's murder trial. If you think about all the code talk with Lee and Cindy, this house falls right into place with all the codes, names, possible key, close to home, a familiar place, George claiming he was watching the so called kidnappers, the big Media interview they did on the Spanish network, Univision I think and the name G. If you look at the P.I.'s video, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me, but right at the beginning of where DC was digging by the house if look to the upper left something odd was there. I know it was said that it's been proven that the remains were on Suburban since June. Here is my question, what if Casey did put Caylee there in June and had someone put her back at the "House" of interest and then moved back in Nov...would that justifier what the Botanist said about the body being there all along? I would think that if LE and the FBI went back to this house of interest they may come up with some other clues.

 

[Storm]

It still comes down to Casey missing her child and never reporting it and
while her child was missing, she was partying and staying with her boyfriend, not mentioning her child missing to anyone. She's got a car that smells like a dead body and just drops it off to be towed (she'd have preferred stolen)..
No matter how many smoke screens are thrown up, the jury will have to get by this somehow if she's to get off and I don't see that happening.

Last night during NG my hinky meter blew up! I promptly went out this morning and have now installed a big ole BS meter. Next thing you know we'll be hearing about how the "phone companies" have a vendetta against all A's and this case - Big conspiracy - HUGE!!!!! NOT!!