Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[BirdycatNY]

Good post! I personally feel distressed every time I look at Cosby now. I feel he's being a bully to boot.

Of course women don't really want to come forward when they are raped even now, let alone 30 years ago. I know I've told this story somewhere before, but I was drugged and nearly raped once when I was in my 20s. I went to a 'couples' party with a guy I had been dating off and on for a while. I knew him from high school. The apartment we went to was someone I knew from my home town, I even knew his family too! It wasn't a 'couples' party at all I realized, but me and about 6 or more guys. Not that much time had passed when I felt incredibly dizzy after just a couple of sips out of my drink. Thankfully, I made it to the bathroom where my legs gave out and I dropped my glass. I guess I was stupid, because I decided to come out, I guess still not aware of what was really going on... but when I came out some guy I didn't know tried to force me down the hall into the bedroom. I was really lucky because there was another guy in the crowd who evidently didn't like whatever was going on and escorted me out of the apartment. I wish I had reported it, who knows, maybe they could have tested my blood or something, but the thought never crossed my mind. I'm not sure back then they would have done anything about it anyway.

time, you are not alone and sorry that this happened to you. It's the worst feeling I'm sure and and can't ever tell who will do something that sick and depraved. I think being drugging by rapists is more common than reported/statistics and many people do not report it for many reasons speaking from my 1990's college days. It is something that is really difficult for the victim to process/register that it happened and then come to terms with it. I suspect it happens a lot at college or 20-something outing(s) or just places where a rapist who incapacitates his victims can find more victims like drug addicts, but college bars too. Students at my university were really excited to be more independent from their parents and pretty trusting of people, so perps probably took/take advantage of that. Plus, if there is a young man/woman who is a rapist and goes off to college, then they will rape more victims at school. The % of rapists are not terribly high, but they may commit multiple rapes. I bet that the guy who did this to you has done it to other people and thankfully someone else helped you.

If the drugging/raping allegations are true about BC, I don't think he just started raping/drugging women when he got to Hollywood, but he was a rapist who drugged girls/young ladies early on. He just had more opportunity because he had the persona of "such a good guy" and people were literally sending him young women "to mentor." Hollywood may just be like school/college neighborhoods, where serial rapist(s) and pedophiles will gravitate to b/c they are sick and want to carry out their criminal activity.

If BC was being honest in that comedy skit from about the "Spanish fly" bit when he was talking about from 13 yrs old on, he may be admitting the age his depravity began. If that's the case, he probably was socialized to think something like that is okay (when we know it's criminal). Sometimes, the rapist is the "life of the party" which I suspect BC is, if the allegations are true. Guys like that will surround themselves with people who they have "circle of loyalty" so victims are less believable to friends, friends may even be agreeable to same and they choose their victims based on some vulnerability. Hopefully, you do not have to encounter that guy or his friends anymore.

O/T but Hollywood, as an industry should really seek to clean house because employees/actors like BC, if true, are major liabilities. It's likely a small % of actors/execs/musicians, but most people (I hope) do not like criminals, especially sexual predators. My school at least made small attempts at security, and occasional info sessions. And thank you for sharing your story, and glad you are okay.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/19/alleged-bill-cosby-victim_n_6352696.html

Chelan was a 17-year-old aspiring model when she says she met with Bill Cosby to discuss her modeling career. But she claims that after taking a few pictures, the man whom she turned to for career guidance drugged and sexually assaulted her.

“He had me go in the bathroom, wet my hair. I had long hair back then. And he gave me a blue pill with, like, this much Amaretto. I had a cold. He said it was an antihistamine. That’s what he told me. And I took it with a drink, not thinking,” she tells Dr. Phil in the video above.

 

[Tulessa]

As much as I can read...Cosby is still an alleged rapist, and the accusers are still alleged victims.
BBM...Perhaps he is.
Fear is an awful thing for me, remember?
Were I to turn your words, ... to drive my screaming issue...

If someone had drugged and raped me, and many are clueless about it, I have two choices: do nothing, and live in shame, suffer in silence... or, go to court and sue him for his unspeakable crimes. Otherwise, the horrors against me stand unchallenged...allowing many more, therefore, to become victims.

I'm not victim-blaming...amongst these posts of Cosby-bashing.
I'm just trying to understand their silence (those beyond Constand's voice).

Granted, I have not read ALL the post, but where do you see Cosby-Bashing? If he's a victim, IT violates out TOS Here. I haven't seen that.

And victim-blaming, is a direct VIOLATION of WS TOS!

TEA to add link and posts I am referring to.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...iquette-amp-Information&p=8364858#post8364858

Victim Friendly

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally, sleuthing family members or others that are not suspect is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members or others cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed.

 

[time]

time, you are not alone and sorry that this happened to you. It's the worst feeling I'm sure and and can't ever tell who will do something that sick and depraved. I think being drugging by rapists is more common than reported/statistics and many people do not report it for many reasons speaking from my 1990's college days. It is something that is really difficult for the victim to process/register that it happened and then come to terms with it. I suspect it happens a lot at college or 20-something outing(s) or just places where a rapist who incapacitates his victims can find more victims like drug addicts, but college bars too. Students at my university were really excited to be more independent from their parents and pretty trusting of people, so perps probably took/take advantage of that. Plus, if there is a young man/woman who is a rapist and goes off to college, then they will rape more victims at school. The % of rapists are not terribly high, but they may commit multiple rapes. I bet that the guy who did this to you has done it to other people and thankfully someone else helped you.

If the drugging/raping allegations are true about BC, I don't think he just started raping/drugging women when he got to Hollywood, but he was a rapist who drugged girls/young ladies early on. He just had more opportunity because he had the persona of "such a good guy" and people were literally sending him young women "to mentor." Hollywood may just be like school/college neighborhoods, where serial rapist(s) and pedophiles will gravitate to b/c they are sick and want to carry out their criminal activity.

If BC was being honest in that comedy skit from about the "Spanish fly" bit when he was talking about from 13 yrs old on, he may be admitting the age his depravity began. If that's the case, he probably was socialized to think something like that is okay (when we know it's criminal). Sometimes, the rapist is the "life of the party" which I suspect BC is, if the allegations are true. Guys like that will surround themselves with people who they have "circle of loyalty" so victims are less believable to friends, friends may even be agreeable to same and they choose their victims based on some vulnerability. Hopefully, you do not have to encounter that guy or his friends anymore.

O/T but Hollywood, as an industry should really seek to clean house because employees/actors like BC, if true, are major liabilities. It's likely a small % of actors/execs/musicians, but most people (I hope) do not like criminals, especially sexual predators. My school at least made small attempts at security, and occasional info sessions. And thank you for sharing your story, and glad you are okay.

JMO

Thanks for the great post ... I always say that my experience was so horrible I just can't imagine if I were really raped. My experience was long ago, so I haven't had any contact for ages. The guy who owned the apartment actually committed suicide several years later. I have to agree I also think being drugged "is more common than reported/statistics and many people do not report it for many reasons"

 

[Tulessa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/19/alleged-bill-cosby-victim_n_6352696.html

Chelan was a 17-year-old aspiring model when she says she met with Bill Cosby to discuss her modeling career. But she claims that after taking a few pictures, the man whom she turned to for career guidance drugged and sexually assaulted her.

“He had me go in the bathroom, wet my hair. I had long hair back then. And he gave me a blue pill with, like, this much Amaretto. I had a cold. He said it was an antihistamine. That’s what he told me. And I took it with a drink, not thinking,” she tells Dr. Phil in the video above.

I hope other's watched this episode.

 

[MsMarple]

Promo of today's show concerning BC.It airs today, for those interested....

[video=youtube;NRMu4uxsFvo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMu4uxsFvo&list=UUYLR1ghzYNyvfjw78raCuxA[/video]

Thanks! I've set it to DVR. I have some issues with Dr. Phil, mostly about his promoting so-called "psychics" who I believe cause harm to those who have lost loved ones, but when it comes to interviewing people in crime-related stories he doesn't seem to pull punches.

I'm looking forward to the show.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Thanks for the great post ... I always say that my experience was so horrible I just can't imagine if I were really raped. My experience was long ago, so I haven't had any contact for ages. The guy who owned the apartment actually committed suicide several years later. I have to agree I also think being drugged "is more common than reported/statistics and many people do not report it for many reasons"

Sorry to hear about suicide and glad you are not near perp anymore. And time, I meant to add that you or any other victim of sexual assault/rapists/pedophiles/being drugged do not have to explain to anyone why you don't report it to LE or other people. Some people really don't understand the level(s) of shame, denial, embarrassment, anger (at oneself many times), fear and shock unless it's happened to them. People that don't get it need to "see with their own eyes" that someone is a monster or crime occurred and don't understand the complex emotional layers one goes through or the crime itself. So I hope you don't feel like you need to explain to anyone here, but you certainly don't need to explain to me why you never went to LE. The only person who should feel responsible is the criminal, no one else.

 

[wendiesan]

Sorry to hear about suicide and glad you are not near perp anymore. And time, I meant to add that you or any other victim of sexual assault/rapists/pedophiles/being drugged do not have to explain to anyone why you don't report it to LE or other people. Some people really don't understand the level(s) of shame, denial, embarrassment, anger (at oneself many times), fear and shock unless it's happened to them. People that don't get it need to "see with their own eyes" that someone is a monster or crime occurred and don't understand the complex emotional layers one goes through or the crime itself. So I hope you don't feel like you need to explain to anyone here, but you certainly don't need to explain to me why you never went to LE. The only person who should feel responsible is the criminal, no one else.

And if the rape happens within a marriage, the shame and the fear and the lack of support, let alone reluctance to report it, increase exponentially!

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Bill Cosby never asked for special treatment, except all those other times

Cosby’s doctoral thesis—titled “An Integration of the Visual Media Via Fat Albert And The Cosby Kids (1972) into the Elementary School Curriculum as a Teaching Aid and Vehicle to Achieve Increased Learning”—is why Cosby is often referred to as “Dr. Cosby” (and in the credits of The Cosby Show, under the impressive moniker, “Dr. William H. Cosby, Jr. Ed.D.”) It’s also why some have denounced Cosby as a fraud for reasons beyond the rape allegations, with Dyson’s 2005 book, Is Bill Cosby Right?, mean-spiritedly pointing out the facts of his actual education. For example, that Cosby dropped out of high school after thrice flunking his sophomore year, got his GED in the Navy, enrolled in, but quickly dropped out of, Temple University, and only achieved his bachelor’s in physical education from there retroactively—well after becoming a successful actor and comedian—for “life experience.”

Meanwhile, Cosby’s masters and doctorate degrees were similarly granted thanks to a reportedly starstruck dean who lured him to UMass Amherst’s education program, where Cosby was allowed a very flexible attendance schedule—which, according to one member of his doctoral committee, Reginald Damerell, consisted of “at least one weekend seminar.” It also gave him course credit for appearing on TV shows like The Electric Company.

Ultimately, Damerell says Cosby’s doctorate was bestowed on him by a committee whose sole full-board “dissertation” meeting took place during a “sumptuous meal” for all the board members, hosted by Cosby at the sprawling, 16-room, restored farmhouse estate he’d purchased near campus. And of course, it was all based on a thesis that was, essentially, a report on how great Bill Cosby’s own television show was. And now, according to Simon, he didn’t even write that.

http://www.avclub.com/article/bill-cosby-never-asked-special-treatment-except-al-213246

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/watch/new-drama-crops-up-for-bill-cosby-375254083917

Michael Eric Dyson discusses the black media comments and defends Cosby in this present instance but says the black media failed miserably earlier when covering Cosby.

He tells an example of an event after Katrina to support the victims and everybody else was talking about supporting them but Bill Cosby came to tell them that they were messed up, murdering, using drugs and having children out of wedlock even before the storm which Dyson considers hardly helpful.

Cosby told Dyson he wouldn't come on his radio show before Dyson was enlightened and saw the truth.

2005:

Even though Cosby’s comments were made more than a year ago, Dyson’s outrage at the attitude of what he terms the “Afristocracy” has not cooled. When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, it laid bare the harsh existence of the black urban underclass, he said. “Katrina was a natural disaster that exposed our national disaster,” he said. Part fire-and-brimstone preacher, part rapper, part standup comedian, Dyson said Cosby had focused attention on poor black people when he spoke at a philanthropic dinner in Washington. Cosby said, among other things, that the underclass was more inclined to promiscuity and he remarked that poor blacks gave children odd names, like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Muhammad. “Mr. Cosby said, ‘these people,’ ” Dyson said. “He did not say ‘us people,’ he did not say ‘our people,’ he said ‘these people.’ He said these people have not held up their end of the bargain.”

http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/taking-on-bill-cosby/Content?oid=863710

Entertainer Bill Cosby was in New Orleans Saturday urging its black population to rebuild the city without the pervasive culture of crime that existed before Hurricane Katrina washed everything away.

Cosby, known for his controversial criticism of some working class African Americans, said the city needed to make sure that the "wound" of crime would not be reopened and allowed to fester.

"It's painful, but we can't cleanse ourselves unless we look at the wound," Cosby said at a rally headed by black leaders in front of the city's convention center. "Ladies and gentlemen, you had the highest murder rate, unto each other. You were dealing drugs to each other. You were impregnating our 13-, 12-, 11-year-old children. What kind of a village is that?"

Here's the pound cake speech (held at a NAACP event)
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm

 

[BirdycatNY]

Team Cosby’s Mission Impossible
The negative headlines and accusations of sexual assault continue. Who’s advising him, and why are they getting it so wrong?
Lloyd Grove, Embattled 12.18.14
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/18/team-cosby-and-the-thrill-of-defeat.html

"...Team Cosby’s persistent attempts to persuade journalists to look closely at the backgrounds—and occasional criminal records—of the comedian’s alleged victims is a strategy fraught with risk. According to a highly placed source at CNN, an email from Singer’s law firm urged the cable outlet to investigate the criminal record of Cosby accuser Linda Joy Traitz....”

 

[Donjeta]

No One Wanted to Talk About Bill Cosby's Alleged Crimes Because He Made White America Feel Good About Race
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120338/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-why-america-took-so-long-wake

One reason that we have collectively plugged our ears against a decade of dismal revelations about Bill Cosby is that he made lots of Americans feel good about two things we rarely have reason to feel good about: race and gender. To confront the ugliness of Cosby’s alleged criminal misdeeds, especially in light of his rhetoric around racial responsibility, would mean reckoning with what was always fraught, false, or incomplete about his messages. It’s a process that is likely to make a lot of people feel very bad—not just about Cosby, but about ourselves and our nation’s persistent inequalities.

But when Cosby began to do his moralizing on race and responsibility, some of the cracks in the show’s gender politics were exposed. It became clear that he placed a lot of blame for racial inequality not just on black people, but on black women who were not like Clair Huxtable. Cosby’s infamous “pound cake” speech, delivered in 2004 on the fiftieth anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, was about what he saw as the role of parental inattention in landing so many black young men in jail. He was officially addressing both mothers and fathers, but his gendered judgments got clearer as he demanded, “Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol? And where is his father? And why don’t you know where he is?” In the same speech, Cosby lamented, “No longer is a person embarrassed because they’re pregnant without a husband,” and chided, “Five or six different children, same woman, eight, 10 different husbands or whatever. Pretty soon you’re going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you’re making love to.” This was a brutal language of misogyny, blaming women—women unattached to men—for the social disintegration of the family.

These were the same years that the charges that Cosby had assaulted women were beginning to emerge. Cosby denied the rape allegations, but in several cases conceded that he had had consensual relationships outside of his long marriage to wife Camille. This alone should have provoked a critical examination of his message: A man who was running around the country yelling at women for how they were conducting their sex lives, a man who held his own marriage up as a model of functional commitment, had in fact been repeatedly unfaithful.

To have gone further—to have really dealt with the possibility that this extremely rich man lambasting poor people for everything from stealing pound cake to wearing low-slung pants to how they named their children—might have drugged and raped more than a dozen women would have made our heads pop off. It would have made us question every single good, reassuring, optimistic thing that Bill Cosby ever made us think about ourselves and our country. It might have made us rethink the way he had held up wealthy people as model feminists, and about exactly how screwed up it was that that his progressive cheerful vision of post-racial America had never addressed the structural realities faced by non-wealthy people.

 

[monkey222]

Simple question for BC: Have you ever given a prescription, scheduled substance, adulterated, and/or misbranded drug without their knowledge or consent? Let's just start with that one.

 

[Donjeta]

Dr Phil show with the accusers and Lycia Naff who wrote the Barbara Bowman story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpwicvdeB6Q


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lid-harrowing-years-rape-hands-TV-legend.html

Eta: sound problem in the first video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSiArVnzu7k

 

[LJKaust]

Every single time I see the title of this thread it makes me incredibly angry! Poor bloody BC 'haunted' by these allegations!!! How about rape survivors that are haunted for the rest of their damn lives, because some decides to do that to them. I am a rape survivor and I may be extra sensitive, but ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :gaah:

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20141219/lawyer-seeks-to-identify-bill-cosby-in-court-papers

The attorney representing a woman who alleges she was sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby at the Playboy mansion when she was 15 in 1974 filed documents on Friday asking that they be allowed to identify the comedian in future court papers.

The alleged victim in the case, Judy Huth, filed a lawsuit against Cosby in Los Angeles Superior Court on Dec. 2 that named the entertainer. Her attorney, Marc Strecker, then filed an amended complaint two days later that identified Cosby only as “Doe 1” in compliance with the law.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Thanks for posting the Dr Phil video Donjeta. These women certainly seem very credible to me and I totally believe them.

 

[Tulessa]

Thanks! I've set it to DVR. I have some issues with Dr. Phil, mostly about his promoting so-called "psychics" who I believe cause harm to those who have lost loved ones, but when it comes to interviewing people in crime-related stories he doesn't seem to pull punches.

I'm looking forward to the show.

I feel he is making fun of the "psychics", one reason I like him so much. That's the impression I get anyways. Watch the *James Van Praagh* show with Dr. Phil. He was condescending to him, or I felt he was. JMO though.

 

[time]

Not sure if this has been posted...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2014/12/16/camille-cosbys-sad-request-to-the-press/

Cosby’s request that the press dissect her husband’s accusers as people, rather than their accounts of sexual assault, relies on the ugly and persistent idea that women who have lived certain kinds of lives cannot be raped or molested because they have forfeited their right to say no.

But what makes her statement feel sad rather than purely cruel is the sense that Cosby is looking for reassurance that she has not been deceived, that her husband was not one person with her and another one entirely when he was with other people. “A different man has been portrayed in the media over the last two months,” she writes in the statement. “It is the portrait of a man I do not know.” By placing the weight of her husband’s reputation and accomplishments against that of women she hopes will be found lacking, both in achievements and in the way they have lived their lives, she seems to be hoping that her husband will be restored to her.

And it’s notable that she isn’t calling for an investigation into the allegations themselves. It would be more than appropriate to do serious investigative reporting into the claims against Cosby

 

[Donjeta]

Marty Singer has written a scathing letter to CNN Prez Jeff Zucker, claiming his reporters are out to get Cosby in a special the network is doing with model/actress Beverly Johnson.

Johnson claims Cosby drugged her in the mid '80s at his NYC home. Singer says in his letter -- obtained by TMZ -- he contacted the CNN reporters and told them they should get in touch with Mark Burk, who was Johnson's live-in boyfriend from 2006-2009.

Singer says Burk told CNN reporters Beverly "never said a negative statement about Bill Cosby throughout their entire four year relationship." Singer goes on, "Burk told CNN that to the contrary, Ms. Johnson stated that she was an admirer of Bill Cosby and only said great things about Mr. Cosby."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/20/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-cnn-jeff-zucker-drugs-rape/#ixzz3MSisN0Ui