Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

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Salon is reporting that Judd Apatow (who knows an alleged victim who did not come forward in this case) has issued a statement to Esquire:


Apatow also gave the following statement to Esquire, calling on Cosby’s wife, Camille, and his “Cosby Show” wife Phylicia Rashad, to speak up for the victims as well:

I don’t think there is anything new here. It is only new to people who didn’t believe an enormous amount of women who stated clearly that he drugged them. We shouldn’t need Bill Cosby to admit it to believe forty people who were victimized by him. I am sure there are many victims who have not come forward. Maybe now more people in show business and all around our country will stand up and tell the people he attacked that we support you and believe you. I also hope Camille Cosby and Phylicia Rashad will now stand with the victims and not with their attacker.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/06/jud...with_the_victims_and_not_with_their_attacker/

Just adding that Apatow has often kept this case in the forefront on twitter, in his interviews promoting his book and his movies, and in non-professional situations.
 
He "acted" as a role model for others for many years. Where do we go from here? We can't keep letting these actors influence our children. "Celebrities' and people that get spot lights on them should not be the ones that influence our children.

It should be us as parents to set a good example.

What happens though, when the parent doesn't step up to the plate?

It falls back on us as a society to do what is right for our neighbors...for the children in the community.

We all have to take a part and be there for those that either need help, or for the children that are hurting due to whatever circumstances.
 
From the deposition page 43 on my screen:

After the lunch break Defendant [Cosby] admitted that he agreed to give an exclusive interview to the National Enquirer in exchange for their agreement to not print the Beth Ferrier story.

Just has been reported many times.
 
Celebrities may offer encouragement, or cautionary tales, but role models?
In fact, parents have always had the responsibility to be role models for their children. The many hours the family spends together, the support or chastisement, the various situations that test a parent's philosophy in practical terms make them the most important role models their children will ever have. IMO

Having a celebrity bring attention to a situation is fine. Believing a celebrity to be a role model, not very realistic. Expecting a celebrity to be a role model, unbelievable. These people who signed on to be singers, or actors, or dancers are doing so because they have talent, and/or they want the kind of immediate attention that performers often receive. They may be role models for young people who want to be performers, but that does not necessarily make them role models for living the kind of life parents may want for their children.

I think part of Miley Cyrus's current public persona is attributable to her need to break away from the role she played on screen. When she first started taking more adult parts, since she was an adult, people criticized her not for her performance ability, but because she was no longer portraying an adolescent that had become a role model to some for their children. So, she made very clear to everybody that she was not the character. She was not a role model. She was a young woman who, at this time in her life, was going to explore all the aspects that made her an individual. She was going to make choices that not everyone would agree with. She was not telling little girls to do what she was doing. She was not telling parents how to raise their children.

Sometimes, IMO, a celebrity who is known for playing a character that is set up as an idealized version of a boyfriend, girlfriend, best friend, husband, wife, father, or mother begins to believe his/her own press. Someone who does not have a person in his/her life to say, you're delusional, begins to believe that as long as people like that character onscreen or onstage, then maybe they can present that character as their public persona while keeping their private vices and quirks safely hidden from prying eyes.

When a celebrity goes around criticizing how people live their lives, there's often someone who will make disparaging comments. Puncturing the little bubble of pretension and self-righteousness with well placed barbs. But when a celebrity pretty much declares himself to be a moral authority within his community, cruelly condemning the efforts of those people he deems lesser humans than himself, getting away with misbehaviour because of his earning capacity and fan base, he can become dangerous.

Just how dangerous did BC become? I think, as we've been researching the issues rising from this and previous threads, we've unearthed a lot, but there is much more to be revealed.

So, take heart Beginner'sLuck. In our real life situations, parents are, for better or worse, the most important role models during their children's formative years. And, I think, whether we are copying and deliberately not agreeing with them, their influence extends throughout our lives. At least that is what I have found. And the good news is, celebrity is not a requirement to help those in our community who may need our assistance.
 
And the truth will out.

Cosby defenders? Those who doubted the women because people lie? Any comments?
 
He "acted" as a role model for others for many years. Where do we go from here? We can't keep letting these actors influence our children. "Celebrities' and people that get spot lights on them should not be the ones that influence our children.

It should be us as parents to set a good example.

What happens though, when the parent doesn't step up to the plate?

It falls back on us as a society to do what is right for our neighbors...for the children in the community.

We all have to take a part and be there for those that either need help, or for the children that are hurting due to whatever circumstances.

As Charles Barkley famously said "I am not a role model."

Celebrities and athletes many consider to be heroes and role models can do terrible things, and how can we ever know in advance? -Billy Cosby, Ted Haggard, Lance Armstrong, OJ Simpson the list goes on and on. I agree with you - better to not use them this way at all. It's up to us to model behavior for our own kids and give them good examples, and be the same models and examples for other people's children.

With Bill Cosby it was worse, I think, because he actively pursued being a role model and teacher. He acted like it was his place to tell others how they should behave and gave himself the "I'm everyone's father" spot light.
 
In other venues, I've heard it suggested that BC may fire this team of lawyers and hire a new team to sue the old team for incompetency.
Which would also buy him a little time to regroup from the release of these documents.
Any thoughts along this line?
 
Camille? Shall we revisit your question of who is the victim?

Please do tell how you manage to consider your husband a "wonderful" one even as you had to know back in 2005 that he admitted under oath to obtaining quaaludes to drug women for sex, all the while as he was married to you.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95ef.../camille-cosbys-statement-assault-accusations

Respectfully, I don't think she 'had to know' back in 2005 about what BC admitted to doing in the deposition. It's not like she would have been sitting in on it, and considering that BC has a well established history of concealing things, I don't imagine that he would have volunteered it to her.

Regardless, she knows now, and so the ball is in her court. At this point, I'm willing to judge her for continuing to defend BC, if she chooses to do so.
 
In other venues, I've heard it suggested that BC may fire this team of lawyers and hire a new team to sue the old team for incompetency.
Which would also buy him a little time to regroup from the release of these documents.
Any thoughts along this line?

BC is missing the point if he thinks new legal representation is going to change anything. He's already lost the battle - no one believes his denials anymore.


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I'm thinking the time is here for many supporters of BC to step up and say they were wrong. His wife and Phylicia Rashad should be at the front of the line.
Wonder how many tickets will sell to the next show?
 
Respectfully, I don't think she 'had to know' back in 2005 about what BC admitted to doing in the deposition. It's not like she would have been sitting in on it, and considering that BC has a well established history of concealing things, I don't imagine that he would have volunteered it to her.

Regardless, she knows now, and so the ball is in her court. At this point, I'm willing to judge her for continuing to defend BC, if she chooses to do so.

You may be right about what she knew in 2005. However, at the very least she knew he had cheated on her, and she knew that he had thrown their daughter under the bus to the National Enquirer in exchange for burying allegations against him, when she made that ridiculous statement about him being a wonderful husband and father.

How she handles her marriage in private is her business and not up to me to judge, but publicly insinuating that Bill is the real victim is beyond the pale. As we say where I come from, don't piss on my leg and try to tell me it's raining.

Just jumping off from your post, Montjoy. Not ranting at you.
 
In other venues, I've heard it suggested that BC may fire this team of lawyers and hire a new team to sue the old team for incompetency.
Which would also buy him a little time to regroup from the release of these documents.
Any thoughts along this line?

IMO we've gotten to the point where no amount of money will any longer save Cosby from his crimes.
 
And the truth will out.

Cosby defenders? Those who doubted the women because people lie? Any comments?

For me it was not about defending him but having proof. These are ugly allegations and I just don't believe things without proof. I am not happy reading his admissions. It does not make me gleeful for anyone.

If they can prove he did this to women he should be prosecuted.

Camille? Shall we revisit your question of who is the victim?

Please do tell how you manage to consider your husband a "wonderful" one even as you had to know back in 2005 that he admitted under oath to obtaining quaaludes to drug women for sex, all the while as he was married to you.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/95ef.../camille-cosbys-statement-assault-accusations

I don't believe she knew that back then. Who would tell her? It was supposed to be sealed forever. I think she knew her husband cheated on her, But I don't think she knew everything. Wives are often the last to know many things.
 
The Associated Press went to court to compel the release of the documents, and they were made public Monday. Cosby’s lawyers had objected on the grounds that it would embarrass their client.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//new...th/article25330387/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe


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When I read that, it reminded me of a scene from the movie Liar, Liar starring Jim Carrey. Carrey's character is a lawyer, and when evidence is produced in open court which makes his client appear to be a major jerk, he jumps up and shouts loudly "Your honor, I object!" The judge asks "On what grounds?" Carrey responds "On the grounds that it's devastating to my case!" The judge bellows: "Overruled!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

Funny in a movie, not so amusing in real life.
 
You have to realize the method he used pretty much prevents any testimony that would be considered "reliable" by a court of law since the women were considered incapacitated. Since it was their word against his. So you know he's never going to jail for being a serial rapist.
There has to be a better way. The system is failing these women. Society is failing them. Every single woman raped by an acquaintance faces the same doubt and scrutiny that you subjected these forty women to. That is why they don't even bother trying to prosecute. Archaic attitudes and giving ALL the benefit of the doubt to the rapist.
 
You have to realize the method he used pretty much prevents any testimony that would be considered "reliable" by a court of law since the women were considered incapacitated. Since it was their word against his. So you know he's never going to jail for being a serial rapist.
There has to be a better way. The system is failing these women. Society is failing them. Every single woman raped by an acquaintance faces the same doubt and scrutiny that you subjected these forty women to. That is why they don't even bother trying to prosecute. Archaic attitudes and giving ALL the benefit of the doubt to the rapist.

Actually I don't think that is true because it is rape if you incapacitate someone in order to have intercourse.
I think that in this case with him admitting to that MO, it really can lead to charges in the cases that are still not past SOL
 
Sadly, it is still the rapists' words against the victims' in these cases.
They can't prove that he lied about what the pills were. It's only because of the totality of accusations and his own confession as to the method used that many now deem these women credible. But across the country - every day- individual victims are vilified as gold diggers, as "nuts and *advertiser censored*" and discouraged from even pressing charges.
This case is symptomatic of how its practically impossible to prosecute acquaintance rape. Far too often their allegations are dismissed because people prefer to dismiss the victims voice - while insisting on proof they know can never be delivered. These women never had what our system would consider a prosecutable cas back then. The she asked for it attitude was even worse back then. But that was never a reason to doubt them and replace common sense with crazy conspiracy theories.
 
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