Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

[zwiebel]

Aw heck, Whoopi's stated the old myth, 'innocent until proven guilty'.

That just is not, cannot be true. The guilty are guilty, proven or not. The same applies to the innocent. Not being convicted yet does not mean a person is not guilty. It can't. In law, a person is not guilty when they are found not guilty after they have been charged, surely?

http://pagesix.com/2015/07/07/whoopi-bill-cosby-is-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

 

[zwiebel]

The Onion is a satirical publication.

It's my namesake, translated into German.

 

[kimi_SFC]

It's my namesake, translated into German.

Wow, zwie, I didn't know that!


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[zwiebel]

Wow, zwie, I didn't know that!


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Yes, and it was with The Onion publication in mind that I chose it.

ETA: Also because I love onions pickled in vinegar.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Aw heck, Whoopi's stated the old myth, 'innocent until proven guilty'.

That just is not, cannot be true. The guilty are guilty, proven or not. The same applies to the innocent. Not being convicted yet does not mean a person is not guilty. It can't. In law, a person is not guilty when they are found not guilty after they have been charged, surely?

http://pagesix.com/2015/07/07/whoopi-bill-cosby-is-innocent-until-proven-guilty/

For me this will always be true. Because unless we keep the mindset that people have to be proven guilty to be guilty, We then do no justice to the innocent.

For me without proof, there is no guilt.

 

[gitana1]

Bill Cosby’s admission that he gave Quaaludes to at least one woman he wanted to have sex with — a revelation in a 2005 deposition that was unsealed Monday — is being viewed as a damning corroboration by his many accusers.
But director Judd Apatow, one of the most vocal critics of Cosby in Hollywood, says we shouldn’t need the 77-year-old comedian to admit guilt to believe his alleged victims.
“I don’t think there is anything new here,” Apatow said in a statement to Esquire. “It is only new to people who didn’t believe an enormous amount of women who stated clearly that he drugged them.” http://news.yahoo.com/judd-apatow-cosby-quaaludes-142328895.html

 

[gitana1]

For me this will always be true. Because unless we keep the mindset that people have to be proven guilty to be guilty, We then do no justice to the innocent.

For me without proof, there is no guilt.

Are you saying that in every case, criminal or otherwise, you do not accuse or believe a person is guilty of what they are being accused of until you see proof that they are guilty? (Not just allegations, but actual proof of guilt?)

Just curious.

 

[wfgodot]

Quotable quotes:

Comedian Hannibal Buress's 21st- c.-Zola-like J'accuse...!" bit, which set the topic back on track:

"He gets on TV, 'Pull your pants up, black people. I was on TV in the '80s! I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom!' Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches."

A precursor? the hypocrisy of the "pound cake" speech a decade back:

"Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! Then we all run out and are outraged: 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"

Criminal indeed, Mr. Huxtable. Criminal indeed.

It was Bill Cosby's moralizing that was his undoing (AP)

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Are you saying that in every case, criminal or otherwise, you do not accuse or believe a person is guilty of what they are being accused of until you see proof that they are guilty? (Not just allegations, but actual proof of guilt?)

Just curious.

It depends but as a rule yes. First, I just always want to believe the best and not the worst in people, However there are cases where I believe strongly that person is responsible but will not go to guilty until it is proven.

 

[wendiesan]

For me this will always be true. Because unless we keep the mindset that people have to be proven guilty to be guilty, We then do no justice to the innocent. For me without proof, there is no guilt.

I think that's why MSM, and a lot of posters, use "alleged victim" or "alleged perpetrator". Especially if it's easy to believe someone is guilty before there is hard proof presented in a court of law. Although, perhaps with the unsealing of the documents in this case, clearly some of the women will be "victims" and "alleged" will no longer apply.

 

[wendiesan]

http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainm...r-supports-bill-cosby-wrong-article-1.2283750
It looks like the NYDN may have made a linking error (based on the above URL :dunno: )
As for Jared the Subway Guy - I have NO words! :sick: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for noting the error.
OT: Re Jared Fogle, I'm hoping that this is just connected to the Russell Taylor case, and that there is no evidence linking JF to RT in anything other than RT's former employment by Fogle's charitable organization. It's an ongoing investigation so more will undoubtedly be in the news by tonight.

 

[Donjeta]

It is not the same thing. She just wanted proof as did I. There is nothing wrong with that.

Yes there is, she sided with a rapist and while doing it she slandered the victims. Wanting no proof that the alleged victims are criminals who make up false allegations.

That is wrong.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes there is, she sided with a rapist and while doing it she slandered the victims. Wanting no proof that the alleged victims are criminals who make up false allegations.

That is wrong.

No one is siding with anyone.. Just waiting on facts. We have them and now we agree. There is no harm in waiting for facts and evidence.

 

[Donjeta]

For me this will always be true. Because unless we keep the mindset that people have to be proven guilty to be guilty, We then do no justice to the innocent.

For me without proof, there is no guilt.

Unless it is a rape victim. Then they are guilty of lying by default, and only acquitted if the perp can be made to confess.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Unless it is a rape victim. Then they are guilty of lying by default, and only acquitted if the perp can be made to confess.

Just because people want proof does not mean they are calling someone else a liar.
People get to think how they think and come to their own conclusions in their own way.

 

[cady]

Remember OJ's acquittal ? A jury can do what they want to do. Fortunately, he lost the civil suit. Cosby's was settled and sealed. Glad FOIA exists. JMO

 

[Tulessa]

Forty eight women. Forty eight women! That was a slap in the face to every woman walking around. Forty eight is NO coincidence! I sincerely hope, that if this happens again, women won't be afraid to come forward. I bet there are more than a dozen women holding back, because they seen the backlash for the one's that did come forward. SMH.

 

[Inthedetails]

Whoopi Goldberg and Raven Simone remain supportive of Cosby (or at least are withholding judgement):

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...r-supports-bill-cosby-wrong-article-1.2283750

 

[Tulessa]

When you state, that you don't believe he committed these crimes, you are choosing sides. Like it or not, it sends a message to the victims, the REAL victims, that they are not believed.

 

[Tulessa]

Whoopi Goldberg and Raven Simone remain supportive of Cosby (or at least are withholding judgement):

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...r-supports-bill-cosby-wrong-article-1.2283750

Not surprised with those two at all.