Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[Wendy101]

Well ... after all this time, I still think it was DS...

 

[Soulmagent]

You are correct in questioning the account. It is funny that no one can see how his (AS) comments sets up the scenario. He specifically says that he cut the rope from around her neck and claims that he did it to try to revive her but her body lies in an untouched position. In essence he cut the rope, lets her fall, carry her to the grass and left her as is and you believe that is a revival attempt?

The next question is how do you cut a rope that is taunt around a hung body. The expression of cut the rope from around he neck is his way of explaining why there is no rope around her neck.

If someone is going to save someone they do everything possible but a lot of people are ok that the body lies in a clumped with no indication of revival attempt but the three legged table that was supposedly broken by RN set perfectly balanced on the sidewalk...............let me add the leg was MISSING from the scene....................

I thought I had seen a photo where the leg was off behind the table toward the home. I may be mistaken.
Are there media reports claiming the leg was missing?

 

[Charlie09]

no...

It was really rhetorical, but thanks for at least being honest about it.

 

[scorekeeper]

I thought I had seen a photo where the leg was off behind the table toward the home. I may be mistaken.
Are there media reports claiming the leg was missing?

This is a picture showing the broken leg kinda under the table and to the back left side.

Also, there is a picture of LE carrying the table out (with only 3 legs).

 

[Sabrina2011]

I want to talk to AS

 

[Charlie09]

I want to talk to AS

usually someone who knows him or Rebecca, or even Dina would be talking by now....I don't think I've ever seen something so quiet and held to the vest.

 

[Inobu]

You have to step back and look at the evidence before you,

If I'm "making assumptions without completing my thoughts", all I can say is

:lol::lol::lol: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

ok ok lol I going to respond to this comment. I'll be right back.

Inobu

 

[Soulmagent]

I think the mirror could have been taken because it was off the wall ,possible it was used as a way for Rebecca to see behind her while she was trying to bind her hands. The mirror may have prints on it from her being in extremely close to the mirror as she tied herself.

I would not be able to tie my hands behind my back without a mirror, maybe even two mirrors. If I were to stage a murder to look like someone tied their own hands I would not think to include a mirror.

Not leaning in any direction just thinking over the limited facts and pondering.

 

[defense101]

I think the mirror could have been taken because it was off the wall ,possible it was used as a way for Rebecca to see behind her while she was trying to bind her hands. The mirror may have prints on it from her being in extremely close to the mirror as she tied herself.

I would not be able to tie my hands behind my back without a mirror, maybe even two mirrors. If I were to stage a murder to look like someone tied their own hands I would not think to include a mirror.

Not leaning in any direction just thinking over the limited facts and pondering.

I thought it was a painting that was taken.

 

[StJohn]

Now, one wouldn't nesscessarily negate the other, I would think...someone could have a spinal cord injury, c1-c2, and also be 'brain dead', couldn't they?

And RBBM: We've just seen SunnieRN, who is an RN and a longtime poster, say that MRI's are not used to confirm brain activity, so to speak...may I ask, where you get your info from?

Of course someone could have the presence of both a spinal cord injury & brain death, however, a spinal cord injury alone would not necessitate withdrawal of life support systems. As for the MRI, I agreed with SunnieRN that the MRI alone is not used to diagnose brain death. An MRI can be used to support the diagnosis of brain death, it can also be used to assess spinal cord injury as well as other injuries. Without seeing the medical records, we can't know for certain why the MRI was ordered on MS.

 

[Soulmagent]

I thought it was a painting that was taken.

I am not sure what it was ,I saw a photo of them taking a carpet out and a large framed object covered over by a sheet . It may have been a painting or it could have been framed mirror.

 

[Inobu]

If I'm "making assumptions without completing my thoughts", all I can say is

:lol::lol::lol: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

This is the best way I can sum it up. Casey Anthony walked because it was more people finding excuses for what could have happened than people looking for what did happen. It is not about "what if" it is about "what did".

The evidence is before you, it only happened one way and one way only.

.........................

Playing Russian Roulette with a Glock can be suicide or murder it all depending on you completing the thought.

Some will understand other will have to look it up.

Inobu

 

[Charlie09]

This is the best way I can sum it up. Casey Anthony walked because it was more people finding excuses for what could have happened than people looking for what did happen. It is not about "what if" it is about "what did".

The evidence is before you, it only happened one way and one way only.

.........................

Playing Russian Roulette with a Glock can be suicide or murder it all depending on you completing the thought.

Some will understand other will have to look it up.

Inobu

until the police let us in on what they know - it's really "it happened one way" OR "another way"

 

[lauriej]

You have to step back and look at the evidence before you, then take AS's account an see what fits and what doesn't.


1. He claims that his intent was to try and revive her
2. The body proves that no attempt was ever made.
3. He said he cut the rope from around her neck
4. Then he called 911 stating that the woman appeared dead.

Being that close to her he had to know if she was dead or not
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He is giving fragmented accounts.

How do you try to revive a woman who appears to be dead. He has the world twisted and everyone is claiming she was hung but not 1 person other than him can validate it and the world believes him.

<modsnip>. If he cut her down like everyone thinks. Where is the second portion of the rope?

He cut the rope from around her neck. That means that the rope is intact on the balcony. Did he make two cuts or one.

How do you cut the rope from around the neck of a hanging woman.

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or down here

How do you get the slack to place the cutting article between the rope with tension.

Play the scenario out.

Wake up 6:40 A.M you go outside look up and see a body hanging.
There are only so many logical options.

A. Call 911 and then make attempts to assist
B. Make an assessment to help and then call 911.

In his account he did both but the logic in which he spoke is fragmented.

If you cut the rope from around her neck and carried the body a few feet then you know the status of the person why do you say appear if the revival attempt failed?

The action do not follow rhyme or reason.

..i give you credit for coming up with this stuff------but until we hear the 911 call--------or from adam-------we have no idea what he said------or what his "intent" was.

..at the PC, tim curran said that adam called, rebecca was hanging from the balcony, she appeared to be dead and he "cut her down".

..(curran) does not say that he "cut the rope from around her neck".

..curran says that EMT's atempted to revive until fire (dept) arrived and pronounced her (dead)----which is protocol. ( perhaps they moved the body to have better access to it..?)

( just curious---why do you say 'the body proves that no attempt (at revival) was ever made' ---are you saying the EMT's made no attempt after all, even though curran says that they did ?)

..where did we hear that---- adam-- tried to revive her?

..you mention adam's "account" --what account? we have yet to hear from adam---there is no 'his account'.

..we have no idea who positioned the body to where we see it ( since the skynews video was shot many hours after the 911 call).

..until we get some "real" information , the 911 call, police reports, a statement FROM adam, and the other major players-----we really have no idea what their 'intents' were or if their accounts are 'fragmented' or not.

 

[scorekeeper]

..i give you credit for coming up with this stuff------but until we hear the 911 call--------or from adam-------we have no idea what he said------or what his "intent" was.

..at the PC, tim curran said that adam called, rebecca was hanging from the balcony, she appeared to be dead and he "cut her down".

..(curran) does not say that he "cut the rope from around her neck".

..curran says that EMT's atempted to revive until fire (dept) arrived and pronounced her (dead)----which is protocol. ( perhaps they moved the body to have better access to it..?)

( just curious---why do you say 'the body proves that no attempt (at revival) was ever made' ---are you saying the EMT's made no attempt after all, even though curran says that they did ?)

..where did we hear that---- adam-- tried to revive her?

..you mention adam's "account" --what account? we have yet to hear from adam---there is no 'his account'.

..we have no idea who positioned the body to where we see it ( since the skynews video was shot many hours after the 911 call).

..until we get some "real" information , the 911 call, police reports, a statement FROM adam, and the other major players-----we really have no idea what their 'intents' were or if their accounts are 'fragmented' or not.

I totally agree......you took the words right out of my mouth!!

:goodpost::aktion::aktion:

 

[scorekeeper]

ok ok lol I going to respond to this comment. I'll be right back.

Inobu

This is the best way I can sum it up. Casey Anthony walked because it was more people finding excuses for what could have happened than people looking for what did happen. It is not about "what if" it is about "what did".

The evidence is before you, it only happened one way and one way only.

.........................

Playing Russian Roulette with a Glock can be suicide or murder it all depending on you completing the thought.

Some will understand other will have to look it up.

Inobu

BBM

<modsnip>

There is hardly any evidence in RN's case. Perhaps only did she commit suicide or was she murdered...was the scene 'staged'.....but based on the pictures and the press conference, can you tell us WHO? Isn't it about time you come out and give us your theory? At this time, WHY/HOW is really irrelevant......but WHO is a concrete answer.

Regarding the Glock......kinda' like drinking the Kool-aid at Jonestown or not

I am not a philosopher and never claimed to be....

Perception is Reality

It is what it is

I do enjoy your post!!:seeya:

 

[Inobu]

..i give you credit for coming up with this stuff------but until we hear the 911 call--------or from adam-------we have no idea what he said------or what his "intent" was.

..at the PC, tim curran said that adam called, rebecca was hanging from the balcony, she appeared to be dead and he "cut her down".

..(curran) does not say that he "cut the rope from around her neck".

..curran says that EMT's atempted to revive until fire (dept) arrived and pronounced her (dead)----which is protocol. ( perhaps they moved the body to have better access to it..?)

( just curious---why do you say 'the body proves that no attempt (at revival) was ever made' ---are you saying the EMT's made no attempt after all, even though curran says that they did ?)

..where did we hear that---- adam-- tried to revive her?

..you mention adam's "account" --what account? we have yet to hear from adam---there is no 'his account'.

..we have no idea who positioned the body to where we see it ( since the skynews video was shot many hours after the 911 call).

..until we get some "real" information , the 911 call, police reports, a statement FROM adam, and the other major players-----we really have no idea what their 'intents' were or if their accounts are 'fragmented' or not.

Thinking things out.........

Issue 1. Intent- The operative word. It is against the law to tamper or alter a crime scene. Most people would step away to preserve this. AS did the exact opposite was it a deliberate act?

Issue 2. Why cut down a person that appears to be dead it removes circumstances that can prove as evidence.

Issue 3. Key to life is oxygen to the blood. The heart pumps blood through the heart. CPR mimic the process and requires that oxygen fill the lungs and chest compression to stimulate blood flow. The body was not in a position for
CPR hands remained ties behind her, blue item around neck.

Issue 4. Thinking comment through. You challenge my usage of "account" yet you typed this and I quote - "..at the PC, tim curran said that adam called, rebecca was hanging from the balcony, she appeared to be dead and he "cut her down". " Is this not an account? Do you think that is all LE asked him and that is all he stated?

Issue 5. Body position tells a lot. RM occurs in stages and has its effects.

A. RN's knees are apart. If AS placed RN down Pre RM then the knees would have fell closed. It is not so RM was in place which leads back to the question Why did he cut a dead person down?
B. You think Police administer aid to a dead person? moving the body around?
C. If AS carried her to the grass then AS knew she was dead.

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Inobu

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[Inobu]

BBM

O/T - I take offense to being lumped in as one of the "jurors". I followed Caylee's case from the beginning. I never based my opinion of that case on "what if"...that poor baby was wrapped in a blanket, garbage bags and laundry bag and thrown in a swamp like a bag of garbage......sorry for the rant but I took that as a slap to my face......

There is hardly any evidence in RN's case. Perhaps only did she commit suicide or was she murdered...was the scene 'staged'.....but based on the pictures and the press conference, can you tell us WHO? Isn't it about time you come out and give us your theory? At this time, WHY/HOW is really irrelevant......but WHO is a concrete answer.

Regarding the Glock......kinda' like drinking the Kool-aid at Jonestown or not

I am not a philosopher and never claimed to be....

Perception is Reality

It is what it is

I do enjoy your post!!:seeya:

Your quote - " I never based my opinion of that case on "what if"..."

<modsnip>?

The Anthony case was lost because doubt was cast on the evidence. That means the "what if" out weighed the "what did" a far and the evidence presented.

Inobu

Regarding the Glock......kinda' like drinking the Kool-aid at Jonestown or not - Good correlation - Thinking it out......there are three classifications in that case a Murder, Suicide and Murders

the one's who knew what was in the Kool aid committed suicide and the one's who didn't were murdered and the people who made the drink are the murders.

 

[SunnieRN]

Now, one wouldn't nesscessarily negate the other, I would think...someone could have a spinal cord injury, c1-c2, and also be 'brain dead', couldn't they?

And RBBM: We've just seen SunnieRN, who is an RN and a longtime poster, say that MRI's are not used to confirm brain activity, so to speak...may I ask, where you get your info from?

Hi Paladine. I have been an RN for 19 years and done many types of nursing. When I was an ICU manager, we had a wonderful neurologist on staff. We had a young man, 25, who tried to commit suicide. He was brain dead. The Doctor took a lot of time with the family, explaining how he came to the conclusion.

First, normally, there are MRI's and CT's done. These determine if there are bleeding in the brain, injuries that have occurred, and most important if and the amount of swelling of the brain tissue, etc. CT's can be in color, showing the difference between arterial and venous blood sources also.

There also has to be observation of the pt and his reactions. If a patient is sedated, due to being on a ventilator, or has other medications, such as narcotics on board, they have to give those a chance to wear off, so they can make a true assessment of the patients abilities.

The best possible way to determine if the brain is functioning is an EEG. It is the 'gold standard', for lack of a brain that was working for 13 hours last night. I am more than a little bit fried, so forgive me.

You can observe and do as many tests as possible, but without an EEG, there is not actual proof of brain death.

A person can suffer a high C-Spine injury and not be brain dead, , below C-2, but will not be able to have anywhere near a normal existence. No movement, can not breathe on their own without the ventilator, etc.

Some doctors say that a prolonged vegetative state is the same as brain death. I happen to disagree, for personal reasons and beliefs. If there are brain waves and a person is breathing on their own, I don't believe they are brain dead.

Our minds are strange and wonderful things. They are only understood at a very small degree.

When I was in nursing school, I had a patient that had experienced a major brain stem infarct, (stroke), three years previously. He was still in a hospital, vs a rest home due to the fact that he had so many communicable diseases, so no long term facility would take him. He was non communicative. The family believed that the patient was trying to communicate with them, the nurses and doctors told them he was not, that he was brain dead and was a 'vegetable'. The family refused to stop his feedings, antibiotics or care.

Here I come, a second semester nursing student and I didn't know jack. I got assigned this patient. I went in, fully garbed, gown, mask, shield, booties, gloves. I am a 'talker' and usually know everything about my patients by the time I go home. So, I talked TO this man. Not about him. I was doing a visual assessment, taking notes for my research and prep to care for him the next day.

I talked the entire time. About his tennis shoes, the weather, his curly hair, the fact that he had a wonderful jaw line. You get the picture. This man had a G tube, a foley, central lines, bi pap and more. Long assessment on both sides of the bed. I was watching him and he was 'listening' to me. Trying to 'see' me. I went and told his nurse that I felt like he was trying to communicate with me. She told me I was crazy. She called my instructor who came up and yelled at me about how dumb I was and that she would personally make it her job to get me kicked out of the program.

The hospital social worker heard me, came to talk to me after, asked if I really felt like he was trying to communicate. I said 'yes'. She said, do your research, find out what you think we could do to communicate with him.

I went home, talked to my friend. She shouts, "Oh my God, you have to read this readers digest article I have. It describes your guy!"

I went and got the magazine, read it and the person in the article had 'locked in syndrome'. It is a condition where the brain is so damaged that you can't talk, you can usually not purposely move many parts of your body, but you are aware of EVERYTHING!!!!

I talked to the social worker the next morning. I actually got through the day, even though everyone, including my fellow students, thought I was crazy.

The social worker worked with the patient after I left. She brought a letter board into his room. She talked to him and tried to see if there was a way for him to communicate. He could barely move his right index finger.

It took four hours, but the first thing he spelled out was, "tell the nurses to stop coming in my room and telling me I should be dead'.

That is why family members have hope. Because miracles DO happen!!

I have no idea what happened to Maxie or about his actual diagnosis. I don't think he 'died' as they were waiting to make decisions until after the MRI. I just have a funny feeling about things from what I have heard. Not enough information yet, to make a valid determination, but something seems very 'off'. Where was the grieving, angry, denying parent? Did Maxie see every kind of specialist possible? Things in hospitals are often long and drawn out, unfortunately. Also, if he 'just died' they wouldn't have been able to do organ donation. He was still on life support since that happened.

 

[jjenny]

Not that I have seen, even on the news its not mentioned, JVM or NG hasn't discussed it. Its just gone quiet period...

Yep, no news at all. That PR firm must be working hard.