Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[Inobu]

Great story.

Good to know that you are out there. It is about awareness do everything possible to pass it on.

Inobu

 

[CocoChanel]

SunnieRN - THANK YOU for sharing your wonderful story. GOD BLESS YOU for the difference you are making in peoples' lives, those of us here included.

 

[defense101]

I've been trying to figure out this rope issue hanging from the balcony, mainly because I found it was too dark as opposed to the rope we saw in the unblurred original photos of RN. So I have been trying to find photos of the full balcony, to see if there are supports underneath the middle, but I only found pictures that are half of the balcony which show the supports at the end, but with the size of that balcony I'm thinking maybe what we are seeing as the rope may be the middle support under the balcony, what do you think?
As well, I enjoy inobu's posts, sometimes they make me think of something I haven't thought of before and sometimes they are amusing, but I think it shows she/he has put alot of effort into sluething this particular case like we all have.
imo



http://www.dndb.info/featured18-1-2.htm

I also notice in the balcony pics that it is wider than what I thought it originally was ie Juillette balcony

 

[Quester]

8/6 Shacknai's girlfriend called full of life as answers lag

Her name in her native Burmese was Springtime Beauty. Photographs reflect a smiling, vibrant woman ready to embrace any outdoor challenge: standing on a mountain peak, kneeling over a tide pool, clambering across a wooden bridge. It gives the sense that [RZ] couldn't wait to leap into the next adventure. [BBM - interesting choice of word/phrase!]
...
"There has not been a cause determined," San Diego County Sheriff's Department Lt. Larry Nesbit said earlier this week. "Individual forensic results are coming back. . . . We have been in contact with the victim's family."
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In media interviews, [RZ's sister] said she talked to her sister the night before her body was found and described her as being concerned about the accident involving [MS] and intent on helping [JS].
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Nesbit of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department anticipates that his office will make a joint announcement with the county medical examiner in about two weeks.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/08/06/20110806shacknai-girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html

 

[scorekeeper]

8/6 Shacknai's girlfriend called full of life as answers lag

Her name in her native Burmese was Springtime Beauty. Photographs reflect a smiling, vibrant woman ready to embrace any outdoor challenge: standing on a mountain peak, kneeling over a tide pool, clambering across a wooden bridge. It gives the sense that [RZ] couldn't wait to leap into the next adventure. [BBM - interesting choice of word/phrase!]
...
"There has not been a cause determined," San Diego County Sheriff's Department Lt. Larry Nesbit said earlier this week. "Individual forensic results are coming back. . . . We have been in contact with the victim's family."
...
In media interviews, [RZ's sister] said she talked to her sister the night before her body was found and described her as being concerned about the accident involving [MS] and intent on helping [JS].
...
Nesbit of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department anticipates that his office will make a joint announcement with the county medical examiner in about two weeks.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/08/06/20110806shacknai-girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html

Finally, a new article!!


Police said Shacknai's brother, Adam, called 911 around 6:45 a.m. and reported finding Zahau hanging from a homemade noose

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html#ixzz1UGREDEh9

This ties into older articles...

Rebecca Nalepa died of a staged suicide? Rebecca Zahau was probably murdered, claims a local psychiatrist in a new report

http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/24/r...-zahau-suffered-murder-staged-suicide-doctor/

Rebecca Nalepa was found with her hands and legs bound. Those knots may now solve her case, investigators told news



http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/25/rebecca-nalepas-knots-may-solve-case/

 

[jjenny]

I believe the investigators decided not to recreate a crime scene, and are going to rely on forensics instead. I wonder why. Also, some murderers do stage homicides to look like suicides. I was just watching "death and the dentist" on dateline. The dentist killed his girlfriend and staged it as suicide. He would have gotten away with it too, but he also killed his wife years later and staged it as suicide again. Only then police got suspicious those were not suicides after all.

 

[scorekeeper]

Investigators have not indicated where Jonah or Dina were at the time, but officials at the hospital where Max was taken have confirmed that family members were by his side throughout his stay there

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html#ixzz1UGTr3b2l

So do we have JS, DS, AS and Dina's sister, taking turns to be by Maxie's side? I have not heard of any other family members listed as being at hospital. I find that odd that the grandparents/other family members didn't make a hospital visit. Wonder why not?

Does the old standard "only 2 family members per visit in ICU situations" apply and only 10 minutes every hour? I'm hopeful things have changed on visitation especially in Maxie's condition.

 

[scorekeeper]

Snipped from SunnieRN:

I have no idea what happened to Maxie or about his actual diagnosis. I don't think he 'died' as they were waiting to make decisions until after the MRI. I just have a funny feeling about things from what I have heard. Not enough information yet, to make a valid determination, but something seems very 'off'. Where was the grieving, angry, denying parent? Did Maxie see every kind of specialist possible? Things in hospitals are often long and drawn out, unfortunately. Also, if he 'just died' they wouldn't have been able to do organ donation. He was still on life support since that happened.

BBM

Great, insightful post, SunnieRN!

When I was working, I did approvals for nursing home admissions. Your statements got me thing, especially about the long, drawn out decisions and how hospitals operate. I was assigned a case of a young child from a foreign country and the parents did not want him to go to a nursing home and wanted to take off all life supports. There was a whole, drawn out process for this to happen. The family had numerous hearings/meetings with the "ethics" department before the hospital would even consider disconnecting the life supports. An issue at hand was that the young boy did not have an advanced care directive; living will, etc. This was not done within 1 week!!

So, how did this all happen so fast for Maxie??

 

[Wendy101]

Thinking things out.........

Issue 1. Intent- The operative word. It is against the law to tamper or alter a crime scene. Most people would step away to preserve this. AS did the exact opposite was it a deliberate act?

Issue 2. Why cut down a person that appears to be dead it removes circumstances that can prove as evidence.

Issue 3. Key to life is oxygen to the blood. The heart pumps blood through the heart. CPR mimic the process and requires that oxygen fill the lungs and chest compression to stimulate blood flow. The body was not in a position for
CPR hands remained ties behind her, blue item around neck.
Issue 4. Thinking comment through. You challenge my usage of "account" yet you typed this and I quote - "..at the PC, tim curran said that adam called, rebecca was hanging from the balcony, she appeared to be dead and he "cut her down". " Is this not an account? Do you think that is all LE asked him and that is all he stated?

Issue 5. Body position tells a lot. RM occurs in stages and has its effects.

A. RN's knees are apart. If AS placed RN down Pre RM then the knees would have fell closed. It is not so RM was in place which leads back to the question Why did he cut a dead person down?
B. You think Police administer aid to a dead person? moving the body around?
C. If AS carried her to the grass then AS knew she was dead.

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Inobu

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:waitasec: OMG, I would be in a world of trouble if one of my loved ones were found in the situation Rebecca was found in.

Without a doubt - I would have cut her down. untied her arms and feet - taken everything off her body that should not have been there, most likley would have covered her with a blanket ... I know I would have contaminated the whole scene, but, I truly think that would be my first instinct. Second, would have been to call 911.

* sorry quote didn't work * my response in red.

 

[jjenny]

Why do things to contaminate the crime scene? I personally wouldn't. Especially if you do know it would contaminate the scene? That makes no sense to me.

 

[defense101]

I've been trying to figure out this rope issue hanging from the balcony, mainly because I found it was too dark as opposed to the rope we saw in the unblurred original photos of RN. So I have been trying to find photos of the full balcony, to see if there are supports underneath the middle, but I only found pictures that are half of the balcony which show the supports at the end, but with the size of that balcony I'm thinking maybe what we are seeing as the rope may be the middle support under the balcony, what do you think?
[Snipped]



http://www.dndb.info/featured18-1-2.htm

I also notice in the balcony pics that it is wider than what I thought it originally was ie Juillette balcony

I have found a picture that does show there is a support strut under the balcony in the middle, could this be what we are seeing as the rope?

 

[jjenny]

I think it could be. I am not convinced at all that what we are seeing is the rope on the balcony.

 

[CocoChanel]

Investigators have not indicated where Jonah or Dina were at the time, but officials at the hospital where Max was taken have confirmed that family members were by his side throughout his stay there

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html#ixzz1UGTr3b2l

So do we have JS, DS, AS and Dina's sister, taking turns to be by Maxie's side? I have not heard of any other family members listed as being at hospital. I find that odd that the grandparents/other family members didn't make a hospital visit. Wonder why not?

Does the old standard "only 2 family members per visit in ICU situations" apply and only 10 minutes every hour? I'm hopeful things have changed on visitation especially in Maxie's condition.

In my own experience with family and friends in ICU, the 2 visitor/10 minute rule is often more of a guideline that is often relaxed. However, I feel confident that a number of family members would not be permitted to 'camp out' in the patient's room. When my son was taken suddenly ill and had to be put on a respirator in ICU, my husband and I sat with him for most of the daylight hours. Often one of us would leave briefly allowing another family member to take our place. The rest of our family and friends gathered in the waiting room, holding vigil there. Most of those folks did not come to his bedside, but they were there in the waiting room supporting us and each other, usually no less than 10 folks at any given time. I wonder if that was the same for the Shacknai family. I will say that it was an EXTREMELY emotional time for all of us, and I could see how underlying hurts and resentments within the Shacknai circle could be magnified in such a situation.

OT - The blessing for my family was that my son made a full recovery from the mystery illness that was revealed to be toxic shock syndrome.

 

[Wendy101]

Why do things to contaminate the crime scene? I personally wouldn't. Especially if you do know it would contaminate the scene? That makes no sense to me.

I have no clue- never experience this BUT..

If it was my child, I don't think I would look at the situation as a "crime scene" - I would most likley look at it for what it is... my precious child up there hanging on a rope all tied up, naked and either dead or close to it - I think my instinct would be to get my child down - release him from anything that was not supposed to be there - sorry I am not so great with my words, hope you guys understnad what I am trying to say.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have found a picture that does show there is a support strut under the balcony in the middle, could this be what we are seeing as the rope?

defense,

do you know when this picture was taken?

In previous pictures from the chopper, it doesn't really show the type of braces as in this picture.

The chopper pictures show more of a "L" shaped brackets on the ends of the balcony going toward the outside of the house only.

But that picture does show the stairs from the guesthouse and the opening from the stairs to the courtyard that AS probably took....

 

[jjenny]

I have no clue- never experience this BUT..

If it was my child, I don't think I would look at the situation as a "crime scene" - I would most likley look at it for what it is... my precious child up there hanging on a rope all tied up, naked and either dead or close to it - I think my instinct would be to get my child down - release him from anything that was not supposed to be there - sorry I am not so great with my words, hope you guys understnad what I am trying to say.

Well, JN wasn't the child of the AS. In fact I presume he barely knew her.

 

[defense101]

defense,

do you know when this picture was taken?

In previous pictures from the chopper, it doesn't really show the type of braces as in this picture.

The chopper pictures show more of a "L" shaped brackets on the ends of the balcony going toward the outside of the house only.

But that picture does show the stairs from the guesthouse and the opening from the stairs to the courtyard that AS probably took....

I can't say for sure, but it was after renovations, as the big picture window down below to the left was a renovation done by JS as it used to have two small windows and JS changed it to the one large window.

 

[CocoChanel]

I have found a picture that does show there is a support strut under the balcony in the middle, could this be what we are seeing as the rope?

That is an very interesting picture taken from an angle I had not previously seen. I did not realize how close the stairs to the guest house are to the balcony. It looks like you could easily reach part of the balcony from the steps. As a kid, I would have seen that set-up as perfect play equipment to climb and jump from.

 

[Wendy101]

That is an very interesting picture taken from an angle I had not previously seen. I did not realize how close the stairs to the guest house are to the balcony. It looks like you could easily reach part of the balcony from the steps. As a kid, I would have seen that set-up as perfect play equipment to climb and jump from.

If that is "the" balcony, I can see now why the rope fell or trailed the way it did ( in the pervious pics).. if AS carried her out into the lawn. In he other pics though, looks like there was a table under the balcony and then the lawn was right there... I don't think this was "the" balcony...

 

[defense101]

defense,

do you know when this picture was taken?

In previous pictures from the chopper, it doesn't really show the type of braces as in this picture.

The chopper pictures show more of a "L" shaped brackets on the ends of the balcony going toward the outside of the house only.

But that picture does show the stairs from the guesthouse and the opening from the stairs to the courtyard that AS probably took....

Ah did a little more sleuthing and it is a picture of the rear of the property that was presented to city council on May 3rd. I believe this was around the time when JS received permission for the renovations to the guest house and garage.