Remains Discussion Part 4 UPDATE Caylee Tentatively ID'ed

[believe09]

She's eating well:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18262249/detail.html

Check out what she ordered from the commissary yesterday...

And Michelle B is now styling herself a family member:
"Anthony family spokeswoman Michelle Bart returned to Orlando around 9 p.m. Thursday. "As a family member, it's a very difficult situation to constantly have to go through the uncertainty of what may be and what may not be. At this point, we’re here as a team and we’ll be ready to make a comment as soon as we know what’s going on," Bart said."

I realize that her comment is just poorly worded...

 

[indicat]

I'm still one to believe until evidence proves otherwise - that the duct tape was there to prove kidnapping

What strikes me as odd - if this was a kidnapping as Casey states - wouldn't the hands an feet be also bound? If not then I think this was an afterthought

Everyone is assuming so much - we have NO evidence so far on any neck breaking - on any chloroform in the body yet, we have no evidence that the duct tape was on the mouth - nothing

So until we see autopsy results we need to remember the exaggeration of the press - if everyone believes EVERYTHING they hear from the press then it's a gullible bunch

Keep our wits sharp - deal with evidence and facts - try to figure out what happened by the evidence released - and we may be able to figure it out before trial

And since my posts about logic get ignored and everyone goes off on wild tangents, I'm sure this logic will be ignored also

You are using logic and I'm listening....:blowkiss:

 

[OrdinaryLife]

As far as the skull being separated from the body, I think that is nothing more than months of decomposition and that is the result of the lack of tissue holding the skull to the rest of the body. No broken neck.

The duct tape found across the face of the skull is a different story.I do not think it was about preventing post death leakage, but was done prior to the death of the child. "If" (without a doubt) this is proven to be Caylee, I would not lean to thinking to hard about the reasons why it was done. I go to the simple thought. This child was making noise that someone did not want anyone to hear.

IMHO

 

[memorylane01]

There is a possibility that the her little head was seperated from her little body after the bag was disposed of. Since the water rose and fell and this is an area of dense trees and shrubs, it could have happended if it was pushed against a tree at some point if the water was moving at all. NOT saying that it makes KC any less guilty....

Any scenario I run through in my head is unfathomable....

 

[minazoe]

i don't think she was trying to stop leakage...don't buy that at all...I think once the skin slipped away it settled on caylee's teeth....

I heard that children have a violent reaction when being put out with chloroform..that they will fight unconciously. Maybe Casey didn't want to be bitten. Maybe she drowned her...maybe she was punishing her for crying and screaming.

This conjurs up alot of bad thoughts. Casey may be an abuser...I am interested to hear of possible old injuries...possible broken bones etc.

something is really pulling at me but i just can't put my finger on it...hmmmmm

 

[Meagain]

The head shouldn't have separated - from what I understand.....

 

[fla*mom]

wow the 911 call that ended the search. so sad

 

[BostonSu]

She's eating well:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18262249/detail.html

Check out what she ordered from the commissary yesterday...

..

I guess when she sashays into court, there'll be a whole lot more of her to
swing. :crazy:

 

[memorylane01]

wow the 911 call that ended the search. so sad

kind of poetic justice considering a 911 started the search.

 

[Edam]

I wouldn't doubt this is true - BUT - and this is a HUGE BUT - we should wait until the OFFICIAL report

There have been so many leaks, mis-truths, assuming in this case

I'm being a party pooper I know - now that there is a tentative ID of the body as said in court this morning - we know that the body was only partially skelatized and had hair - NOTHING else was said as to the condition OR what was found with the body

Even the state this morning said IN COURT that they didn't want leaks about the condition, how the body was found, etc. to the press

Thats why I will take WFTV with a grain of salt

Good post, but that's not going to stop some of the wild speculation that always occurs here.

 

[JustJax]

That piece of chit Casey might have tried to stage a kidnapping, ie tape/Chloroform and then it all went awry.

I'd love to see a needle get stuck in her arm, but I doubt that will happen. As long as it is LWOP then I will be satisfied.

That could be a possiblity too..the staging of a kidnapping. That would explain why she was searching missing children sites to take notes on the methods others may have used when kidnapping a child.

 

[Leila]

Is it possible for soft tissue to remain for six months or does that suggest the body was frozen for a while? I don't know what to make of all of this but I certainly believe it was premeditated. I think there must surely be fingers prints and hair on the duct tape. I hope she gets the death penalty.

A month or so ago, a forensic specialist stated that a body is best preserved if buried, but if submerged in water preserved better than left in the open.

Based on the conditions of the location where her remains were found, I think it's possible that Casey did partially bury the bag in a very shallow grave. Then tropical storm Fay dumped a lot of water, enough that created standing water in some areas for months. The neighbors in the area have stated that the area where the remains were found was submerged until just a few weeks ago.

I think the bag was washed out of the shallow grave with the torrential rain and was submerged for a long time. As the waters gradually receded, the bag came to rest in one spot and the weight of the bag created a slight depression in the muddy soil, giving it the appearance of having sat there a long time.

IF this turns out to be correct, I think it's very possible that the remains are preserved to some extent.......more so than if left in the open all this time. I'm hopeful that this is the case as it gives the medical examiner more to work with in determining cause and manner of death.

 

[tangerinemoon]

If they find the hyoid bone (bone at the base of the tongue) and this bone is snaped, "broken"they may be able to determine if this child was strangled.

 

[Meagain]

I'm still one to believe until evidence proves otherwise - that the duct tape was there to prove kidnapping

What strikes me as odd - if this was a kidnapping as Casey states - wouldn't the hands an feet be also bound? If not then I think this was an afterthought

Everyone is assuming so much - we have NO evidence so far on any neck breaking - on any chloroform in the body yet, we have no evidence that the duct tape was on the mouth - nothing

So until we see autopsy results we need to remember the exaggeration of the press - if everyone believes EVERYTHING they hear from the press then it's a gullible bunch

Keep our wits sharp - deal with evidence and facts - try to figure out what happened by the evidence released - and we may be able to figure it out before trial

And since my posts about logic get ignored and everyone goes off on wild tangents, I'm sure this logic will be ignored also

IDK - Sherriff Beary, etc. etc. are saying enough for 'me'.

 

[waiting4change]

Hearing yesterday that they finally found our little Caylee, I felt like I was finally able to take a breath. I was sad, yet happy that this little girl can finally rest in peace. Hearing last night that Duct Tape was on her mouth, put me in over the top! I am so angry and upset that someone could do this to a poor innocent child! I hope KC gets whats coming to her!

Unfortunately, I believe that we will never know what this little angel went through during the last moments of her short life.

 

[trac]

Again logic (I know it's a drag! LOL) Below is from Fox News - WHAT this tells me - is that they have NOT identified the body, it's consistent with that of a young child (okay I think it's Caylee as does everyone else) - Below ALSO tells me - the new lawyer Linda Baden is a publicity hound - this is WHY the state argued against the defense being in the autopsy - the defense did NOT have to go to the press with this statement - and the state was right - the defense has and will go to all the press and twist everything up - in my mind to initiate a mistrial - THO now the judge in the case CANNOT say that Casey did not have a sound defense

The defense team for the mother of missing Florida girl Caylee Anthony said the sheriff's office is confident that skeletal remains found are those of the child.

Linda Kenney Baden, part of 22-year-old Casey Anthony's defense team, said the Orange County Sheriff's Office called them to say they believe the bones discovered in a wooded area near the Anthony home belong to Caylee because of the color of the hair and the appearance of the skull.

But police declined to confirm Baden's statements, saying only that the remains are consistent with those of a young child and there isn't enough information yet to positively identify the body as Caylee's.

"The remains are consistent with those of a 2- to 3-year-old child," Orange County Capt. Angelo Nieves told FOXNews.com. "We have not provided any confirmation that it is the Caylee child. ... We're not going to go and jump the gun, if you will, rush in order to make an identification without the medical examiner's office."

 

[JustJax]

Is it possible for soft tissue to remain for six months or does that suggest the body was frozen for a while? I don't know what to make of all of this but I certainly believe it was premeditated. I think there must surely be fingers prints and hair on the duct tape. I hope she gets the death penalty.

I had mentioned earlier that if in fact the body had been there for some time, it was under water, 3 ft of it according to Tim M who lost an ATV in that same area.

I have heard numerous forensic talking heads say that the decomp rate is slowed down when a body is submurged so it doesn't necessarily mean that the body was frozen. But if it was I am sure they would know that as well.

I read somewhere that the decomp rate of this little body found yesterday matches up with when baby Caylee was last seen. No link, sorry, just so much out there I am on info overload.

 

[Short_Stuff]

After reading the article about her taped face, I am too convinced Casey wanted it to look like a kidnapping. This was definately premeditated.
No other words, except disgust, and saddness for what Caylee went thru.

 

[Suzie002]

I am sure this has already been thought of and if you have already addressed it, I apologize. But I have been thinking about the duct tape, the pool, all of the searches and I think this was a cold and calculated pre-meditated murder. I think that Casey taped Caylee's mouth so that no one could hear her screaming. I think she then held her down in the pool and drowned her. I think that is why she set the yard up to appear that way. I think once she took her out of the pool, she set her on the ground and when she went to pick her back up, she struggled and casey realized she was still alive and then used the chloroform. I think she then panicked because she knew that she couldn't pretend that she drowned and that's when she put her in the trash bag. I am probably wrong and hope that I am. But the duct tape takes the whole accidental angle right off the table for me.

 

[Mendara]

Why are they allowed to have reeses peanut butter cups in jail? I want her to have absolutely no pleasure.