Remains Discussion Part 4 UPDATE Caylee Tentatively ID'ed

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It's all conjecture at this point, trac, with which the rest of us following this thread are following along quite nicely, since we don't have any additional details to ponder. If and when such details DO become fact and not conjecture, I'm sure there will be many posters happy to provide a link if their hypotheticals happen to be correct.

I am following along just fine - I don't care about hypotheticals - honestly I don't - I do it too sometimes - only thing is that people are posting things as fact - heck we can't even trust what most news stations are reporting yet - if we only keep in mind that it becomes fact when LE states it or we see the reports - other than that I'm good
 
I would hope that IF the evidence is enough to convince Cindy and George (and I personally believe, from what I've seen/read so far, that it was premeditated murder) that Cindy and George would finally take a stand for Caylee.

They will have to accept now that Caylee is gone, a huge step in itself. When and if Cindy will ever accept that Casey is responsible? Who knows. It may never happen.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking CA might just become KC's biggest enemy at the trial. IF LE has the right evidence to convince CA that KC did it and it wasn't accidental.
 
If these are repeats, sorry
Lacy Peterson head had separated from her body while in water.
Red rash on Caylee's face in earlier pictures, could the chloroform been put on duct tape across her mouth.

Awww...sad. The chloroform is bad enough...but to duct tape, too. That makes me very sad for little Caylee. And mad at KC.:furious:
 
Duct Tape on a childs mouth prior to death would definately be an aggregating factor, which would bring back the Death Penalty to the table.

According to an article the whole skull was found wrapped in duct tape, inside the bag.
http://www.newsday.com/iphone/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-121208,0,5963789.story?page=2&track=rss

"A source told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that the skull found in the bag of remains was wrapped in duct tape. Investigators also found other items inside the bag. But specifics were not available."
 
Yeah, I'm thinking CA might just become KC's biggest enemy at the trial. IF LE has the right evidence to convince CA that KC did it and it wasn't accidental.

CA will become her biggest enemy if Casey comes out and says that GA and LA molested her through her life - destroy the family or we destroy you - I do not envy this famly dynamic at all - I'm so thank ful for my own dysfunctional family, we are the Brady Bunch compared to this family!
 
A month or so ago, a forensic specialist stated that a body is best preserved if buried, but if submerged in water preserved better than left in the open.

Based on the conditions of the location where her remains were found, I think it's possible that Casey did partially bury the bag in a very shallow grave. Then tropical storm Fay dumped a lot of water, enough that created standing water in some areas for months. The neighbors in the area have stated that the area where the remains were found was submerged until just a few weeks ago.

I think the bag was washed out of the shallow grave with the torrential rain and was submerged for a long time. As the waters gradually receded, the bag came to rest in one spot and the weight of the bag created a slight depression in the muddy soil, giving it the appearance of having sat there a long time.

IF this turns out to be correct, I think it's very possible that the remains are preserved to some extent.......more so than if left in the open all this time. I'm hopeful that this is the case as it gives the medical examiner more to work with in determining cause and manner of death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere

I know it wasn't cold, but the other conditions apply I think. And underwater, the temp would be significantly cooler than above.
 
Oh really, I just come in here from time to time. Its a extremely, upsetting case.
I'm so happy that her little body has been located.
Now, on with a decent burial...and hopefully, life with no possibilty of parole...for KC.
 
According to an article the whole skull was found wrapped in duct tape, inside the bag.
http://www.newsday.com/iphone/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-121208,0,5963789.story?page=2&track=rss

"A source told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that the skull found in the bag of remains was wrapped in duct tape. Investigators also found other items inside the bag. But specifics were not available."

That quote/story came from someones iphone, they were relaying the info found somewhere else

Now it's wrapped in duct tape, not just on the mouth - I feel like this is the fish story - every time it's told it's grander than the last
 
I wonder, will the meter reader collect the reward..?

I don't mean this as it may come across, but that matters, "why"? If he does, he does. However, I don't get why that would be a concern for anyone of us. Hell, he'll probably need it for therapy after this finding he made. Poor guy....IMHO
 
I am soo saddened by this discovery. I always hoped that there might of been an ounce of truth of Caylee actually being alive. Although in my heart I know that monster that they want to keep calling her mother, killed her. The only justice for Caylee is to lock Casey up for the rest of her life, without the possible chance of parole. The death penalty is to good for her. They need to lock her up in a cell with wallpaper of nothing but Caylee's pictures. She will have to look at that beautiful little girl the rest of her life and think everyday of what she did to her.
Regarding the duct tape, I am thinking this was a one time occurrence..maybe to make it look like a kidnapping because if you have ever put duct tape on your mouth( I did this when I was younger, about 9 lol) it is not the easiest thing to get off. It will tear your skin right off of your lips. I am thinking if Casey has done that before someone would of notice Caylee's mouth.
I hope there is no way Casey can get out of this or get a lesser sentence then life in prison.
 
They will have to accept now that Caylee is gone, a huge step in itself. When and if Cindy will ever accept that Casey is responsible? Who knows. It may never happen.

I am not sure that CA especially will ever be able to bring herself to believe or accept that Casey, her daughter has done this very terrible deed! Somehow I do think that GA will or may, however he will never, ever voice that openly because he'll stand by whatever goes with CA.

At this time they still will not even accept that it is Caylee. Is there a chance that it is some other missing 2-3 year old child? Certainly. Slimmer than slim and awfully coincidental IMO. In my heart I kew the moment the news broke that they had finally found this poor sweet baby girl and now she can ne rested in peace with some dignity and respect.

I will never ever believe that there was an "accidental" death of Caylee at this point. Maybe earlier on but not now!

Very, very sad IMO.
 
Forgive me for starting a new thread cause I couldn't find this new piece of information posted anywhere else and it is kind of a bombshell...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18264817/detail.html#-

"The remains that were found are not just bones. There is tissue left, which apparently is what the duct tape is stuck to. Dr. Baden told Eyewitness News the duct tape could not only have preserved some of the evidence because it's waterproof, but also could contain evidence such as fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape."
"Investigative sources told Eyewitness News duct tape was found still stuck to the child's mouth."

Reporting that soft tissue was indeed part of the remains discovered and that duct tape was still stuck to the mouth of the remains...

This definitely changes many ideas and theories that Caylee's death was an accident... why would duct tape need to be used to cover the mouth of a person who is already deceases...


IMO...
This was not an accident, as I previously wanted to believe, but premeditated and completely horrible


Does this bring the death penalty back?
I bet LE cares nothing of bargaining at this point


Bold is Mine

I am devastated beyond words.
I have only read your opening post, Time diff makes it hard to be up to speed.
All the photos of Casey and Caylee have always been a loving mummy and child - so I have always thought it was a accident...

UNTIL the duct tape

But .... I have just one little time shred of hope, that she had duct tape over her mouth to stop her crying out whilst she was chloroformed and it went horribly wrong and she died and they disposed of her with the duct tape still on..

But you know even as I write that...the hope is fading fast...because who under ANY circumstnaces except AWFUL ONES would duct tape a child to begin with.

Unless as someone said it was put on after her death to make it look like a kidnap gone wrong.

I am holding out for some sort of hope that one of those is true rather than the duct tape was put on whilst she was tortured or killed

I just cant bear to think of that sweet little baby girl hurting

:(
 
IMO ONLY:

I would bet money that LE is compiling enough information that will knock any doubt out of CA & GA that anyone other than KC could have done this. Hair comparisons with what was in KC's trunk, items from the house, etc... I would think that they would tell CA & GA what they have and allow them to figure it out. I would then think that CA will go to the jail and confront KC with what she was given. I am thinking that there will be a conversation something to the effect of "What did you do with my baby, KC?!!!!! " while telling her everything they have been told by LE and then followed by a statement of something like "You're dead to me". At that point KC's going to loosen her guard as far as her lies go and will blow it and spill something, probably unintentionally to either her parents or someone else. I say, convince the gma and the murderer will talk. ALL IMO

I would have been at that jail today............but the prisoner has the right to refuse visits and I guarantee you she would refuse.

If she didn't I would be telling her that I had applied to put that d*mn needle in her arm myself and if she told even ONE lie about anything from now on, I would be there to catch each lie for LE.

They would likely arrest me for going through that glass after one of mine.
 
I posted this on another thread but also wanted to post it here....

I have been trying to post this forever!!
I was watching Headline News on HNN and they showed a close up of the
bags in the car and they showed this fabric it had to be part of Caylees
bedding! Here is a picture of her bedding... I don't have a link for what I saw
in the back of the car but it's the same fabric!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bHu2BEdA_bk/SJIaBXTDoiI/AAAAAAAAAH0/qhEbUe9o2I8/s1600-h/bilde.jpg

IIRC, in one of GVS interviews with CA, when they were in Caylee's room, CA said she still washed Caylee's bedding regularly....I hope LE wasn't hoping to get any DNA from that. CA is really a stickler for "washing" things, isn't she??


ETA : Maybe she meant she washed just the sheets and pillow cases.....
 
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