Ron C. #8

[Whisperer]

When your child disappears from your watchful eye, you do not wander around in a fog...you act! and you act really fast!

I lost my child once and I can tell you that you go in overdrive and don't stop till you find him/her. You are very clear also....this is your child. You do not just sit there. You move!

You do not have time to sit and cry or even make calls other than LE...you are very busy. You call LE immediately...do not wast a minute. A baby can drown in less than 2 inches of water in a few minutes...use your brains. Deal with emotions later.

The neighbors thought I called LE way too soon.

Some people don't want to look silly and they wait. I was told by LE, "Who cares what you look like, you did the right thing, call the minute you know they are not where they are supposed to be". I am grateful they found my baby and till this day have no idea how this toddler could have wandered that far in diapers, no less. I hope I get the message out....just call first thing..time is of the essence!

 

[Whisperer]

The above post is why R * M's behavior does not compute.

Nothing they did matched up with how a typical person responds when a child is missing.
To reinforce this statement, Ron backs up M's inconsistencies. He admits a day or two later, that he never questioned Misty?!!!!!!

 

[nomoresorrow]

ITA Whisperer!

I posted this on the Crystal S. thread in response to the ongoing conversation at that time but I'll repost it here as it more directly relates to Ron C:

I simply find it rather odd that Ronald called his mother that early on. He gets home at 3:27 am and is immediately met by Misty who informs him that Haleigh is missing/backdoor wide open . . .and he immediately calls his mother!? I could better understand him calling her - BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE - if he thought that his mother had possibly stopped over while Misty was asleep and might have taken Haleigh home to spend the night with her at her home but that has never been stated or claimed - obviously had that been the case TN's would certainly have left a visible note somewhere. I realize that everybody reacts differently upon learning that their child is missing but I still recall, nearly 24 years later, when I awoke very early one morning to find my son missing from his bed - After running around the house while calling out his name louder and louder as each room turned up nothing, I ran out the front door, still in my nightgown, yelling out his name. When I couldn't find him anywhere in the yard (in his sandbox, on the swingset or on one of his riding toys . . .) I ran down the road that we lived on still calling (more like screaming) out his name - Thank god I didn't have to run far when I saw a police officer walking toward me holding my son in his arms. (Sorry to those who have heard this story before) He had pushed a chair up to the front door and unlocked the deadbolt that we had installed high enough (so we thought) that a child couldn't reach it.
Based upon my own experience my first & natural reaction was to search throughout my home -every room, every closet, behind the couch, a chair . . . all while yelling out my son's name, then I moved to the outside perimeter and then to the street and down the road . . . IMO all of this occurs BEFORE your thoughts ever turn to, "OMG, somebody took my child!" and you start calling in family members . . .



We're all entitled to our opinions - opinions are just that, opinions. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

The above post is why R * M's behavior does not compute.

Nothing they did matched up with how a typical person responds when a child is missing.
To reinforce this statement, Ron backs up M's inconsistencies. He admits a day or two later, that he never questioned Misty?!!!!!!

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Something elase, Whisperer, that has bothered me since I first heard about Haleigh: I have heard nothing about anyone in the family going outside that night and searching for Haleigh. Why weren't the flashlights brought out and the neighbors woke up so that everyone could come outside and search for a little girl? All you hear about is that they looked inside the house and assumed, since Haleigh was so afraid of the dark that she did not walk out of the "opened" door and maybe got lost (probably looking for Misty)? There aren't any statements where either Misty, Ron or Teresa searched outside. I know that without a doubt, when I couldn't find my child inside of the home, I would immediately go outside and search............

 

[lonetraveler]

When your child disappears from your watchful eye, you do not wander around in a fog...you act! and you act really fast!

I lost my child once and I can tell you that you go in overdrive and don't stop till you find him/her. You are very clear also....this is your child. You do not just sit there. You move!

You do not have time to sit and cry or even make calls other than LE...you are very busy. You call LE immediately...do not wast a minute. A baby can drown in less than 2 inches of water in a few minutes...use your brains. Deal with emotions later.

The neighbors thought I called LE way too soon.

Some people don't want to look silly and they wait. I was told by LE, "Who cares what you look like, you did the right thing, call the minute you know they are not where they are supposed to be". I am grateful they found my baby and till this day have no idea how this toddler could have wandered that far in diapers, no less. I hope I get the message out....just call first thing..time is of the essence!

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Add that Misty and Ron had cell phones, they could have called mommy as they searched, right?

 

[JustJane]

The above post is why R * M's behavior does not compute.

Nothing they did matched up with how a typical person responds when a child is missing.
To reinforce this statement, Ron backs up M's inconsistencies. He admits a day or two later, that he never questioned Misty?!!!!!!

BBM
Whisperer, of all the inconsistencies I have encountered in reading about this case that is the one that has puzzled me the most.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Ron said that he had not questioned Misty about the events of that night.

If he was lying, then why did he lie? And, if he was telling the truth, then why on this earth would he NOT question her?

According to their statements, Misty was the last person to see HaLeigh. So, if she was the last person to see her, then why would he NOT question her and question her and question her?

That statement just has me bewildered.

 

[lonetraveler]

I remember reading about the gun being taken and given back, but I have searched and searched for the article that talks about the gun and LE and have not been able to find it as of yet. I am beginning to wonder if it is something I read downstairs and there was no article, but I will keep looking and let you know what I come up with.

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I also remember reading an article either from a tv station or newspaper, not on a blog, that LE had returned the gun to Ron and did not consider him a threat. I have looked for over a day and can not find that article.........I'm sure though that it was not on a blog or thread. I will also continue to look when I can.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM
Whisperer, of all the inconsistencies I have encountered in reading about this case that is the one that has puzzled me the most.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Ron said that he had not questioned Misty about the events of that night.

If he was lying, then why did he lie? And, if he was telling the truth, then why on this earth would he NOT question her?

According to their statements, Misty was the last person to see HaLeigh. So, if she was the last person to see her, then why would he NOT question her and question her and question her?

That statement just has me bewildered.

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I must admit that I too was totally bumfuzzled when I heard Ron answer that he had not questioned Misty about the night that Haleigh disappeared. This is totally mind numbing.

 

[cajun]

Misty went to stay with her family for a few days after that night and maybe it something so simple as LE asking them not to be talking to each other about the case.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I have read this report over and over, and I got a few questions.. Misty states "approximately 5 min. after she noticed Haleigh missing, Ronald arrived home. Misty tells Ronald Haleigh is missing. He told her to call 911." This statement sent up a big red flag to me.

1. Why did Misty wait for Ronald to get home, 5 minutes in a situation like this
is a long time.
2. Why didn't Ronald call 911 himself?

I can't get into Misty's mind but I think because she is young and she knew that Ron would be pulling into the drive any minute she decided to wait for him. I would imagine that her mind was going every which way and she was in a total panic. I know I would be in a panic and I'm old enough to be her grandmother. She may have looked for Haleigh while waiting for Ron. Maybe she just wasn't sure what she should do first.

I believe that Ron told Misty to call 911 because she was the person who was there when Haleigh disappeared and would be the one to answer their questions. If Ron had made the call he would have had to repeat each question to Misty so she could answer it. That wouldn't have made any sense and would have taken twice as long. Misty is the one who should have made the call.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

When your child disappears from your watchful eye, you do not wander around in a fog...you act! and you act really fast!

I lost my child once and I can tell you that you go in overdrive and don't stop till you find him/her. You are very clear also....this is your child. You do not just sit there. You move!

You do not have time to sit and cry or even make calls other than LE...you are very busy. You call LE immediately...do not wast a minute. A baby can drown in less than 2 inches of water in a few minutes...use your brains. Deal with emotions later.

The neighbors thought I called LE way too soon.

Some people don't want to look silly and they wait. I was told by LE, "Who cares what you look like, you did the right thing, call the minute you know they are not where they are supposed to be". I am grateful they found my baby and till this day have no idea how this toddler could have wandered that far in diapers, no less. I hope I get the message out....just call first thing..time is of the essence!

Hmmmm...Crystal sure didn't go into "overdrive", did she? She sat until 5:00am until she did ANYTHING!

We don't know where Misty searched for Haleigh before she called Ronald.

Lindsey Baum's mother didn't call 911 for 45 minutes while looking for her when she did not arrive home. I will check out other cases and see if there were delays in calling 911 while searching in some of those, too.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I can remember when my kids were little losing them in a store for a few minutes and going into a panic. I think different people react in different ways. As for me, I panic or am going in fifty different directions not knowing what to do first. I can't imagine anyone not doing anything. If I didn't live with my child and had to drive a 2 hour drive I can see me grabbing my other kids up in their pj's...me grabbing whatever was handy and throwing it on...grabbing some clothes for the other kids and grabbing my purse and hitting the road. There is no way I would wait hours before I left home to go help find my missing child. I would worry about what to do with the kids after I got to where my missing child was. I also wouldn't wait for my mother to get off work. She could follow when she was off work but I would be on the road.

We have to remember, just because one person handled things one way doesn't mean that everyone would handle the situation the same way. Most people would do something though. It's hard to believe that a person could just hang around home for a few hours when their child was missing in another county.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Crystal was not the one to lose Haleigh...she would not react in the same way. She is one who would be in shock and disbelief.

The parent and caretaker would be the ones to respond as I described...High Speed and searching for the child...

Not helpless and hopeless...seems like they knew the outcome or had other knowledge by the time of the call.

IMO, Ronald and Misty reacted. Her own mother did not. Misty did not "LOSE" Haleigh. Haleigh was taken. It doesn't matter one iota if Crystal had been the one with her daughter that night or not...her maternal reaction should have been to find her child. It was not. Talk about someone possibly knowing the outcome or having other knowledge! I would suggest it would be the parent who did not react at all.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Crystal is a complicated issue. I do not find her faultless in life, but unless you have experienced the brutal life of an abusive man, you might not understand her response. I think it is very likely that she thought this was some type of ploy or sadistic trick of Ronalds or his mother when she received the call about Haleigh missing. She had another child, she had to think, she had to respond. Since she wasn't the main caretaker, her reaction is acceptable to me. She had been beaten by Ron, emotionally and physically and then mentally by the courts that allowed him to have the children. Its hard to rise from those things. I also want to mention that I'm sure Ron was and is receiving money from the state of Fla for Haleigh as a disabled child. As always, my opinions only.

Well...this is flawed because there is no proof Crystal was ever abused by Ronald. I don't believe Ronald ever laid a hand on Crystal or any other woman for that matter. She lied about the abuse the children were supposedly suffering at the hands of Ronald and IMO she lied about Ronald beating her or abusing her, too. I do not see her as some battered and abused woman. I see her as a person who would lie through her teeth to get back at a man...which she has done publically now, imo

 

[Annie]

I think it is time for people to take a rest from posting on this until something happens. We have very little information given by the police. Nothing has happened in ages. The posts are getting more and more vicious. I almost want to cry when I read some of these. Things that were rumors are being posted in facts. These are real people we are talking about. I know some of you think this is helping Haleigh, but I don't see how. I want her returned, but as time passes I think it is less likely it will ever happen. She may never be found. How long is this posting about her family going to continue? There has to be a stopping place until something new happens.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Busylady, I appreciate your critique and different opinion but its pretty obvious to me that Ronald is an abuser. I have had experience with his type before and you can write it down that I am correct on this. Although I don't know him personally, I have noted his eyes, his words, his actions and his failure of actions. I said Crystal is not faultless and certainally not mother of the year, but I don't see malice in her, I could see anger and frustration.
I have not seen any documentation of child support to Ronald, I mentioned the disability, because I have a disabled child and he receives money from the state. Since
Haleigh's disability was documented and Children's Services involved, it seems likely she was receiving some type of help. But, perhaps not, and if not, I am sorry I mentioned it.
And, my opinions about Ronald are based on facts of his actions and words. If you are referring to the abuse as rumors, thats your right to your own thoughts. When he called Misty "bxxxh" that to me showed lack of respect at any level for someone who was caring for his children. How dare he refer to anyone in such a manner and how dare anyone say he is not abusive. This are just my opinions and I thank you for
your opinions.

 

[Patty G]

I remember reading about the gun being taken and given back, but I have searched and searched for the article that talks about the gun and LE and have not been able to find it as of yet. I am beginning to wonder if it is something I read downstairs and there was no article, but I will keep looking and let you know what I come up with.

I have searched the cyber-world regarding the "gun" and the only information that has come forward is that "allegedly" Ron owns a Beretta and that the cousin "allegedly" try to steal a gun. (I am using allegedly)

IMO, if LE had the gun, they wouldn't turn it back over to Ron at this time based soley on what Ron indicated during the 911 call.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I have searched the cyber-world regarding the "gun" and the only information that has come forward is that "allegedly" Ron owns a Beretta and that the cousin "allegedly" try to steal a gun. (I am using allegedly)

IMO, if LE had the gun, they wouldn't turn it back over to Ron at this time based soley on what Ron indicated during the 911 call.

Thank you for looking, Patty.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Bumping my own post as I am still trying to figure these questions out ....

Copying a portion of my own post, 'cause these questions kinda got lost in the 9mmm Beretta discussion:

Two more questions about the LE Report. Here is the Witness/Complaintant list:

#1 Misty
#2 Ron
#3 Crystal
#4 TN
#5 Blanked out - Jr ?
#6-8 PCSO personnel

Misty was the person who made the 911 call, so obviously she is a complaintant. Ron and Crystal are Haleigh's parents (and such is indicated on the LE Report), so certainly they are complaintants. Just wondering what category TN is in ? She's just straddling the list of obvious complaintants and obvious witnesses.

Also wondering why AS isn't listed as she said she was also there almost immediately after "they found that Haleigh was gone". She noted that she lives only 8 miles away.

Also, does someone know when access to the mh would have been restricted ? Does is happen as soon as LE arrives (I sure hope so) or is some paperwork required ?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Misty went to stay with her family for a few days after that night and maybe it something so simple as LE asking them not to be talking to each other about the case.

I had forgotten about Misty not staying with Ron and the Cummings in the early days of Haleigh's disappearance. Do we have any dates for her stay at her parents and subsequent return to the Cummings camp ?

However, on March 16, which is the Monday after they were married, Ron still didn't have all the answers from Misty. Either they hadn't discussed the details of Haleigh's disappearance, or he wasn't sharing the results of those discussions.


GRACE: ... us into your home. We have that video. Elizabeth, let`s show exactly what Mr. Cummings is referring to. Now Ronald, how did it get so bassackwards that people construed it as them sleeping together in the same bed, Misty, Junior, your son, and Haleigh? How did that happen? How was that miscommunicated?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Ms. Nancy, I have no -- no answer for you. I don`t know how it was miscommunicated.

GRACE: Is that what she told police, Ronald? Did she tell police at any time that she was in the bed with little Haleigh?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I wasn`t there when she was questioned by police, Ms. Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Here`s the next question. Why didn`t she call cops immediately when she realized Haleigh was missing? Explain to us the timeline. What happened?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard. The front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside-down and told her to call 911.

GRACE: And we have heard your 911 call. My third question -- why -- has she explained it to you why she didn`t go to the restroom in the middle of night right there in the bedroom`s attached bathroom? It`s kind of all one big, huge master bedroom. Why would she choose to crosses kitchen and go to a different bathroom?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Ms. Nancy. I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html



This is 5 weeks, to the day, that little Haleigh stepped off that school bus. Hard to believe that every single blip of that afternoon/evening/night wouldn't have been dissected by her paternal family. But then again, maybe Ron just wasn't sharing what he heard from Misty. IMO, ofcourse.

And NG's failure to follow up on unanswered questions - like why didn't Misty call LE immediately - is very poor journalism. Again, JMO.