SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #22 **ARREST**

[HouseRules]

I'm wondering if there were signs of a struggle at PTL such as foot prints drag marks in the dirt on either side of the parking areas. If so, perhaps they had shoe impressions and were able to obtain footwear that matched them at the Moorer's residence during the search. Also maybe possibly tire tracks if one of the vehicles was not parked on the paved portion of road out there. That might also be another reason for interested in their vehicles.

I know it was said at some point that Mr. Elvis knew 20 minutes in that Heather had not just run off. I wonder if it was because of signs of a struggle.

I hate to even say this but maybe the reason they believe she was killed there is that there were 3 sets of foot prints going into one of the wooded areas adjacent to PTL and only 2 coming back out indicating that the third person was being carried out?

 

[mountainguy777]

whether TM and SM planned to kill Heather, didn't plan it but a beatdown went to far, or even an accident that killed heather, how do you go online and go off on facebook and other media sites like nothing happened? I could not fake it that well. A normal human would just kinda chill for awhile at least and maybe reflect. so weird....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It feels like LE is doing a great job in this case. I may be wrong, but it feels like they are. Detailed and determined. The ONLY chance for the Moorer's is no body found. If found, game over.

I honestly don't think they have a chance in hell of being found NG. Body or no body.

And just wait.......even if Heather's body is found this will go to trial. Narcissists don't ever agree to plea a case even if the evidence is overwhelming.

The only one that may take a plea if offered (which I highly doubt) would be SM in exchange for telling the location of Heather's body and the only plea the DA would accept would be LWOP, imo. Somehow I see them both remaining mum. I think they are two peas in a pod and co-conspirators.

I am sure TM is convinced she will be found NG and this will give her attention and she seems to love attention even if it is bad.

I think what the defense will be for each of them is to blame the other one or stupidly say they are innocent. Also I have no doubt that LE has told each one of them the first one that comes clean will fair better but they may think if they say nothing it will be better for both of them. Of course it will not.

This case reminds me of the Navy Cadet case. The guy had to prove his love to his girlfriend by murdering the girl he had dated casually. They both were involved in murdering the young woman.

I am not even sure SM loves TM....maybe she threatened him that she would take the kids away from him or toss him out with nothing if he didn't help her murder Heather. No one really knows what was in his heart (if he even has one) but I do think LE has a real good idea what the motive was for murdering Heather.

It will not make sense to any of us though........it never does because murdering someone for any reason is illogical and irrational, anyway, imo.

IMO

 

[OkieGranny]

Sorry cant answer about the lights but
love the map and take a look at the 2 different IE incidents.

I had always thought if they murdered Heather at or near the landing, then why go back into town unless they were going to a certain spot to dump the body or body parts. Look at the spot nearest the beach.

Lets assume at least one of the IE incidents is them changing clothes around the murder time. There was a certain alleged post made by one of them that joked about being a good chef or something along that nature. So they may have had to change out of bloody clothes.

I hope some people are familiar with dock fishing and those carts with wheels you use to carry ice chests and stuff out on fishing docks.

So if they managed to dismember her and put her in a large ice chest which was weighted down, they may have gone to a fishing dock to pretend fishing and when nobody was on the dock, they just threw her in the ocean. Those wheel carts would make it easy to wheel her right out to end of pier or dock.

So my question is are there any fishing piers or docks near that IE spot that is flagged near the beach?

Interesting.

http://sunnydayguide.com/myrtle-beach/tide-charts

Looking at a tide chart for Myrtle Beach (if I'm reading it correctly), high tide was at 7:34pm on December 17. Low tide was at 1:32am on December 18, reaching high tide again at 7:46am. So the tide was going out while Heather was on her date, and began rolling in again about the time she returned home.

So, unless TM/SM waited until the tide was going out again, they risked having whatever they tossed into the ocean wash back ashore. If they did hold onto Heather's body until the tide was going out, why would they throw her into the ocean right there in town, though? Surely there are more remote spots to do something like that?

I was working on another project and have put it aside for the moment while busy with the timeline, but it involves the times and locations of suspicious persons/vehicles reported to LE on the evening of the 17th and the morning of the 18th. There were two spots some distance across the water from PTL and, tracing the route from PTL to that area, I found that one would have to pass through Conway (the location of one of the IE incidents) to get to either of those SP/V locations. Hmmm...

Since we don't know the precise times/dates of the IE incidents, I'm thinking that just because one is referred to as "the first" and the other "the second," it might not necessarily indicate that the two incidents occurred in that order. It might simply have to do with whichever piece of paper came to hand first, KWIM? Went looking to refresh my memory on the specific wording:

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24785283/two-people-in-custody-in-the-heather-elvis-case

According to arrest warrants, the Tammy's indecent exposure charges stem from an incident at Broadway at the Beach. The warrant says between December 17th and 18th of 2013, she indecently exposed herself at 1325 Celebrity Circle in Myrtle Beach. The second exposure charge is from between December 17th and 18th at Atlantic Avenue and Century Circle in Conway.

It seems like the order switches from one news report to the next.

Because the Broadway at the Beach area is busier and more populated than the Conway area, meaning more prying eyes, I tend to think that Heather's body was not with the Ms at that point, whether it was before or after the murder. IMO, the Conway location may be more indicative of the spot where they disposed of her.

 

[Hatfield]

Reminded me of post 1241 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229853&highlight=heather+elvis+scanner+thread&page=50

Thank you. Yes it was very interesting and I hope LE really checks out that incident. I commented over in the parking lot thread. Thanks again.

 

[bestill]

First day since last Wednesday we've had no news...hope someone at JRL is talking!

 

[Surfside]

A question for locals: Any ideas where Heather and SS would've been looking at Christmas lights? Are there any public lighting displays in Myrtle Beach or Murrells Inlet? Or particular neighborhoods known for putting up really spectacular Christmas lights?

I'm not sure if anyone's responded yet, because I'm backreading, but yes. Besides the drive-thru display at the Myrtle Beach Pelicans' stadium, Mt. Gilead is known for their displays. Pelicans' stadium is on 21st avenue north (MB), which is not far from where the notorious payphone is located. It's also right across the street from Broadway at the Beach (Tilted Kilt). Mt. Gilead is a neighborhood (in Murrells Inlet), right across from Inlet Square Mall (where the driving lesson took place). Those are the two that come to mind, off the top of my head, but there are many others.

 

[mountainguy777]

I honestly don't think they have a chance in hell of being found NG. Body or no body.

And just wait.......even if Heather's body is found this will go to trial. Narcissists don't ever agree to plea a case even if the evidence is overwhelming.

The only one that may take a plea if offered (which I highly doubt) would be SM in exchange for telling the location of Heather's body and the only plea the DA would accept would be LWOP, imo. Somehow I see them both remaining mum. I think they are two peas in a pod and co-conspirators.

I am sure TM is convinced she will be found NG and this will give her attention and she seems to love attention even if it is bad.

I think what the defense will be for each of them is to blame the other one or stupidly say they are innocent. Also I have no doubt that LE has told each one of them the first one that comes clean will fair better but they may think if they say nothing it will be better for both of them. Of course it will not.

This case reminds me of the Navy Cadet case. The guy had to prove his love to his girlfriend by murdering the girl he had dated casually. They both were involved in murdering the young woman.

I am not even sure SM loves TM....maybe she threatened him that she would take the kids away from him or toss him out with nothing if he didn't help her murder Heather. No one really knows what was in his heart (if he even has one) but I do think LE has a real good idea what the motive was for murdering Heather.

It will not make sense to any of us though........it never does because murdering someone for any reason is illogical and irrational, anyway, imo.

IMO

I agree with most of that. I do worry that SM and TM had weeks to work on a story if caught, and reassure eachother not to break if arrested. They are most likely thinking "no body, no conviction". who knows how long they can go before one of them crumbles?

 

[shefner]

I don't think TM would kill Heather suddenly....I think she manipulated the whole thing, just like a Disney trip. It would not meet with her satisfaction to strangle Heather from behind the back seat....No, I think she wanted to kill her face to face. That's TM's narcissistic style. I hate even thinking about it. The whole situation is making me sick.
I can't imagine these two creeps not opening up about what happened and where Heather is.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I also think heater posted the tumbler pics....none of them were raunchy. I've seen much worse.

I've been thinking about the date and BW. Neither are talking. My guess is they both have very pertinent information and are following strict orders from LE to zip it.

BBM: I agree! It's hyprocritical of TM to state (in one of her many FB page rants) how one just needs to see Heathers Tumbler Page to see how twisted Heather really is. I mean, HELLOOO--this is coming from a woman who goes around having sex and/or doing indecent acts in public and has now been charged twice for IE. :banghead: If TM's attorney is smart enough, he'll know that pointing out Heather Elvis's Tumbler Page in a trial is a waste of time and can only do more harm than good for his client!

 

[mountainguy777]

I don't think TM would kill Heather suddenly....I think she manipulated the whole thing, just like a Disney trip. It would not meet with her satisfaction to strangle Heather from behind the back seat....No, I think she wanted to kill her face to face. That's TM's narcissistic style. I hate even thinking about it. The whole situation is making me sick.
I can't imagine these two creeps not opening up about what happened and where Heather is.

very true about one of them opening up. TM acted like thier life was a reality show, and maybe they are wanting so bad to tell everyone what they did and how.

 

[Hatfield]

Interesting.

http://sunnydayguide.com/myrtle-beach/tide-charts

Looking at a tide chart for Myrtle Beach (if I'm reading it correctly), high tide was at 7:34pm on December 17. Low tide was at 1:32am on December 18, reaching high tide again at 7:46am. So the tide was going out while Heather was on her date, and began rolling in again about the time she returned home.

So, unless TM/SM waited until the tide was going out again, they risked having whatever they tossed into the ocean wash back ashore. If they did hold onto Heather's body until the tide was going out, why would they throw her into the ocean right there in town, though? Surely there are more remote spots to do something like that?

I was working on another project and have put it aside for the moment while busy with the timeline, but it involves the times and locations of suspicious persons/vehicles reported to LE on the evening of the 17th and the morning of the 18th. There were two spots some distance across the water from PTL and, tracing the route from PTL to that area, I found that one would have to pass through Conway (the location of one of the IE incidents) to get to either of those SP/V locations. Hmmm...

Since we don't know the precise times/dates of the IE incidents, I'm thinking that just because one is referred to as "the first" and the other "the second," it might not necessarily indicate that the two incidents occurred in that order. It might simply have to do with whichever piece of paper came to hand first, KWIM? Went looking to refresh my memory on the specific wording:

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24785283/two-people-in-custody-in-the-heather-elvis-case



It seems like the order switches from one news report to the next.

Because the Broadway at the Beach area is busier and more populated than the Conway area, meaning more prying eyes, I tend to think that Heather's body was not with the Ms at that point, whether it was before or after the murder. IMO, the Conway location may be more indicative of the spot where they disposed of her.

Thanks OkieGranny.

I agree about the IE incidents in that we really dont know precisely yet the order or the exact times.

As far as possibly using the ocean and the pier/dock. I am thinking along the lines of one of those super large ice chests weighted down where it would immediately sink. If lead or some other heavy metal or rocks were in the ice chest along with her and the ice chest was duct taped shut, then someone could easily use one of those carts to wheel it right out to the end of the pier and they would look like other dock fisherman as it is quite common when dock fishing. Especially if they carried fishing poles with them.

When I was last in Florida doing some pier fishing, these types of carts with wheels were very common for fisherman to use. You would be amazed at all the stuff people wheel out to the pier on those carts. They have tons of stuff to bring out with them and those carts make it simple to bring heavy loads.

It was just a possibility I have been thinking about and I agree with you that there are many other possiblities.

 

[Snoopy1]

IMO, Heather did not call BW to talk about a great date...she called to tell her about SM contacting her to say he was or had left his wife.

But in her interiew with LE - she stated as much. I would *think* that is HE was missing, and the LE are asking her - I dont think she would lie to them.

 

[seaver]

A few days ago I posted that imo, there are many parallels between HE's and the Mickey Shunick case(LA 2012). The community awareness created by MSM and driven by internet SM were enormous in both cases. As in HE's case where CUE SAR was requested, in MS's case TES SAR was requested. In both cases there was a multi agency task force; federal, state & local, formed by the lead LEA, utilizing all available investigative resources..

The most significant parallel, imo, is that there were arrests and kidnapping/murder charges made in both abductions; HE's in 66 days and MS's in 66 days..

'Community Awareness combined with the use of all investigative resources is a very effective strategy in missing/murdered person's cases, imo'..

One month after arrest, BSL led LPD officers to MS's remains burial location.. Praying & hoping that there is one more parallel in HE's case..

http://1079ishot.com/arrest-made-in-mickey-shunick-case/

Press Conference Confirms Arrest Of Brandon Scott Lavergne In Shunick Case [AUDIO]
By DJ Digital July 6, 2012


Mickey’s sister; Charlene Shunick:
"So, in the face of a horrific reality, we will continue to hope for something else. Our beloved child will always, always be alive to us. Our tiny hope is that she is alive in reality. May that tiny hope be true".
______________

Reports: Mickey Shunick's body found
Posted: Aug 07, 2012

http://www.wafb.com/story/19219091/mikey-shunicks-body-found

I was somewhat involved in this case...a friend of mine from LA was close to Mickey. I posted flyers around the beach, and kept up with the case through the FB page and through my friend. VERY eerie to me about the 66 day parallel. RIP Mickey and of course Heather.

 

[lonetraveler]

I honestly don't think they have a chance in hell of being found NG. Body or no body.

And just wait.......even if Heather's body is found this will go to trial. Narcissists don't ever agree to plea a case even if the evidence is overwhelming.

The only one that may take a plea if offered (which I highly doubt) would be SM in exchange for telling the location of Heather's body and the only plea the DA would accept would be LWOP, imo. Somehow I see them both remaining mum. I think they are two peas in a pod and co-conspirators.

I am sure TM is convinced she will be found NG and this will give her attention and she seems to love attention even if it is bad.

I think what the defense will be for each of them is to blame the other one or stupidly say they are innocent. Also I have no doubt that LE has told each one of them the first one that comes clean will fair better but they may think if they say nothing it will be better for both of them. Of course it will not.

This case reminds me of the Navy Cadet case. The guy had to prove his love to his girlfriend by murdering the girl he had dated casually. They both were involved in murdering the young woman.

I am not even sure SM loves TM....maybe she threatened him that she would take the kids away from him or toss him out with nothing if he didn't help her murder Heather. No one really knows what was in his heart (if he even has one) but I do think LE has a real good idea what the motive was for murdering Heather.

It will not make sense to any of us though........it never does because murdering someone for any reason is illogical and irrational, anyway, imo.

IMO

I thought about the Navy Cadet case too. I can see TM making SM atone for
his sin of contacting HE again. Maybe she threatened that if he contacted HE again that she would kill HE and he would have to participate.

 

[shefner]

BBM: I agree! It's hyprocritical of TM to state (in one of her many FB page rants) how one just needs to see Heathers Tumbler Page to see how twisted Heather really is. I mean, HELLOOO--this is coming from a woman who goes around having sex and/or doing indecent acts in public and has now been charged twice for IE. :banghead: If TM's attorney is smart enough, he'll know that pointing out Heather Elvis's Tumbler Page in a trial is a waste of time and can only do more harm than good for his client!

Whether Heather posted them or not, the things shown there were pretty graphic if you ask me. Let's be honest, it was pornographic and fairly obscene. If you say you've seen worse, then I have no idea what you've seen except for a person having sexual relations with an animal or something.
I would not be surprised at all to find that TM had manipulated Heather's Tumbler. TM manipulated Heather's life and killed her....so putting up crap on a Tumbler page pales by comparison.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with most of that. I do worry that SM and TM had weeks to work on a story if caught, and reassure eachother not to break if arrested. They are most likely thinking "no body, no conviction". who knows how long they can go before one of them crumbles?

I do believe you are correct. Both of them will never divulge Heather's location. They will remain silent thinking if the DA cant produce a body they may can get away with it.

But this isn't Aruba and many missing body cases have resulted in convictions here in the US.

I imagine once the defense attorneys sees all the discovery they will be telling them they need to try to plea or rollover on the other one.

We will see if that happens. I wouldn't be surprised though if they continue to maintain their innocence even if the evidence is overwhelming against each one of them. It has always amazed me even when the evidence is stacked sky high against a defendant they still want to go to trial.

IMO

 

[daphne2006]

I've often wondered if someone very close to her helped her commit the crime and SM was threatened in one way or another by both of them.

Me too.

 

[floridamomma]

I have been contemplating TM and was it planned or not... she's a planner. plans Disney vacays, plans her own house, lesson plans for homeschool...even plans.what sm FB will say. lol

just saying.

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[sarabean]

(Snipped for sake of space, albeit a terrible snip!)

It seems like the order switches from one news report to the next.

Because the Broadway at the Beach area is busier and more populated than the Conway area, meaning more prying eyes, I tend to think that Heather's body was not with the Ms at that point, whether it was before or after the murder. IMO, the Conway location may be more indicative of the spot where they disposed of her.[/QUOTE]

OMG, you are seriously amazing and unreal! Thank you for all your work and smarts!