SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #29***ARREST**

[hockeymom4]

I was interested in that payphone BC it is the closest to their home and closest to PTL,.assuming they wanted to do this quickly and not venture far from their home. I think this was a comfortable choice in that case.

I agree they would have stayed close to home most likely. I do recall early on there was a list of several pay phones in the area listed. I was questioning your selection of this pay phone. My question was in reference to someone stating you picked the correct pay phone. I am just wondering where this is coming from. I didn't read this from Hoppy or anyone else on here who was there yesterday or in MSM.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

At the end of the hearing, the reaction from both sides of the family was clear. The Elvis family quietly walked out first. The Moorer family and supporters were then escorted out of the court room. They covered themselves with their coats, and Tammy's sister swung her coat up and over one of the cameras.

Oh...the one taking pics before doesn't like her pic taken...:floorlaugh:

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/25002...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I wonder if they were surprised by what was released in the bond hearing. Maybe they didn't know about the text messages and stuff. Tammy might have put on a different ruse for them.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Since SM's phone was used that night apparently, and showed up on Heather's phone bill, why use a pay phone at all? Just not getting that part, unless SM really was out calling her in the middle of the night and TM really did keep his phone from him.

Also wasn't the call was about four minutes? In talking time that is fairly long, not just "hey, meet me"...so a fairly intense amount of conversation is likely to have taken place. Seems like a "luring" call would be much shorter. Wonder what was aid to eventually convince Heather to go out and meet him. Just seems a strange amount of minutes to arrange a pick-up or meeting site. Maybe Heather was resistant at first, but somehow he got her to relent. I guess I would think a panicked SM, false or otherwise, would just be saying "hurry, it's urgent, she is after me" i.e rather than going into a lengthy conversation at that hour from a pay phone. Just so odd...and JMO

I believe the way it went is SM called her from the phone booth so it would not show up on anyone's phone to indicate who called. After that call ended, HRE tried to call the pay phone number a few times then she called his cell phone number which then put everything into motion.

 

[rpgman]

At the end of the hearing, the reaction from both sides of the family was clear. The Elvis family quietly walked out first. The Moorer family and supporters were then escorted out of the court room. They covered themselves with their coats, and Tammy's sister swung her coat up and over one of the cameras.


Oh...the one taking pics before doesn't like her pic taken...:floorlaugh:



http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/25002...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Not surprised.

 

[Justice4Heather]

At the end of the hearing, the reaction from both sides of the family was clear. The Elvis family quietly walked out first. The Moorer family and supporters were then escorted out of the court room. They covered themselves with their coats, and Tammy's sister swung her coat up and over one of the cameras.


Oh...the one taking pics before doesn't like her pic taken...:floorlaugh:



http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/25002...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

She wasn't using that middle finger either, just saying

 

[Mysti88c]

I thought this was weird, too. I was thinking it was worded that way to bolster the open marriage claim. Like, it was okay for him to cheat, he just made a big mistake in who he chose to cheat with.

Of course, I don't buy the open marriage thing--I "knew" her on the disboards and I recall her bragging about her husband being one of the good guys that doesn't cheat.

I think she wrote it too. Another swipe at HE

 

[NewYork625]

I agree they would have stayed close to home most likely. I do recall early on there was a list of several pay phones in the area listed. I was questioning your selection of this pay phone. My question was in reference to someone stating you picked the correct pay phone. I am just wondering where this is coming from. I didn't read this from Hoppy or anyone else on here who was there yesterday or in MSM.

The map that was put up in the courtroom yesterday had three markers on it. One of them is at the gas station the phone call was made from.

 

[SharetheLight]

Can anyone who was at the bond hearing yesterday provide the answer as to whether or not TM was at the pay phone with SM?
To me it makes a big difference.

 

[jillycat]

We did have the date saying awhile back that Heather did not use her phone during his date. That he knows about at least.

The quickness of the PTL stop by the Ms vehicle is pretty shocking. But Im still leaning towards murder and dump in river. When in a panic things can happen very rapidly and I can see where it could easily be done in 3 minutes.

Pull up, see her, shoot her, run her over, or hit her with steel pipe, and then trhow her in river and take off. Yeah, I can see it happening very quickly.
So I am not going to get on the grab her bandwagon. I just dont see either one of the Ms wanting to take her with them. JMO of course.

I don't see a bandwagon. I think there's a question as to how Heather was killed and disposed of so neatly and successfully in such a short window, at a scene where there was no obvious evidence. If we accept the LE timeline, it appears they/he drove up and she was dead within seconds to minutes.

It makes sense to me then that if she was killed that fast, there was a larger plan, so I don't think disposal panic would follow, since no one can find Heather no matter where they look. JMO

 

[kimi_SFC]

atallya place is a real place near their home and was also the name of a photo album somewhere of hers..maybe photo bucket?

also, I remember during the Casey A days, don't know if any of you were following that case or remember that case...but I remember she was also big into that show "one tree hill", it was her fav and I recall some of the episodes were almost identical to what was going on in the case or what Casey was lying that was going on..about an kidnapper and the description of the alleged nanny..cant recall all the exacts.but there was something about Casey story and one tree hill,I do recall that.

I have never watched the show in my life so I am clueless..but does anyone know if there is episode similar to TM and THESE current goings on? you almost wonder when these type of people that live in a mindset of fantasy and not reality. there always of coarse is that Hollywood/acting TV flavor to it as well. anyway to find out if maybe TM seen something on an episode of her "addiction" show she screen names herself after,that is similar to this going on with her?

desperately trying to find something we can understand with logic with an illogical thought process TM apparently possesses. even though a good bit more than we had before, was revealed yesterday, but I am certain there is a GREAT deal even more yet that we still don't know that could turn this all on a dime. Computers that were confiscated and what they reveal, documents and journals that were hinted at yesterday, am sure they contain a wealth of info too. I apologize again, I am not very tech savvy and don't know how to do all these links and research..just throwing thoughts and ideas around with the rest of y'all

I don't know anything about the show and have never watched it, but TM, SM, and others were extras from time to time on the show.

I found this - it has recaps of every episode of all eight seasons of OTH

It will take some effort to read each entry, and I'm not sure how to cross-reference the extra-appearance - IF they can even be verified as fact. I recall reading that as extras, they weren't listed on IMDB, but since I don't have a link :moo:. Does anyone else remember that?

Anyhow, here's the link:

http://www.onetreehillblog.com/episode-recaps/

Hope this helps.....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

wow, did you see their income on that screen shot...

Only $48,000 in 2013, and filed only $15,000 in taxes....

So, where do they get $10,000 in a safe, just laying around?

so in 2012 and 2013 they ONLY report around $15,000 in income as waitress/cook, but also in 2013 they report $48,000 for a loan...

I'm thinking the loan was for the truck.

I'm also thinking if they only reported $15,000 for tax purposes, their getting money from the state and fed....

boy, their getting deeper and deeper into trouble aren't they?

The 15K reported was for 2011 and 2012, not 2013.

 

[hambirg]

With all due respect, either scenario could be true. sm could be the master manipulator, counting on everyone to believe he was being abused, and playing it to the hilt in the hopes it will translate into a get out of jail free card (or as close to it as his defense attorney can muster).

OR, as other WSers have alluded to, he could be one of the statistically fewer men who suffer from intimate partner violence. It is undeniable that it happens, and it is grossly underreported for the very reason that there are hardly any services for male victims, and even less for those with families. I speak from experience as I completed my externship hours in a DV shelter as an undergrad in Forensic Psychology. Men underreport for many reasons - and one of them is that the system (and society) often don't believe them. :moo:

Yes, I am speaking in generalizations, and the point is to extrapolate.

The tragedy of this case is that we have two defendants, and IMO, it's just a matter of time before they will turn on each other. The only people who REALLY know what happened are the innocent parties. One has been missing since the middle of December, and has a family crying out for her return. They count the days she has been gone and hope and pray for news while silently hoping they don't hear the news every parent of a missing child desperately awaits.

I cringe at the thought that the others might be called as witnesses. It remains to be seen how far the manipulation will go, or if the absolute truth will prevail. More lies would be the ultimate exertion of power and control - and abuse. I pray to God it doesn't happen. There has been enough innocence lost in this case to last a lifetime.

:twocents:

I understand your points, but I don't think there is much evidence that SM is an abused spouse, other than what he's telling us. Sure TM is controlling, I won't argue that. But TM and SM have been together along time. There has to be a reason SM stayed with her for that long. He was getting something out of their dynamic.

I don't know if it's true for men, but in general, abuse lowers self esteem. Does that fit with the psych profile of a cheating man? There is a positive correlation between high self esteem and confidence in men and infidelity. It's why powerful men, professional athletes, and celebrities cheat so often. It actually raises testosterone. They are confident they can get away with it and that their spouse will forgive them if caught.

Ultimately, TM when caught, didn't leave his primary relationship. He allegedly agreed to some extreme things in order to keep and attempt to mend that relationship. That's not unusual behavior for a husband who has been caught being unfaithful. What I find interesting is that SM also protected that primary relationship. She didn't kick SM out (I wish she would have). Instead she saw HE as the enemy and engaged in what she saw as a nasty battle to keep SM.

I just don't see their relationship as an abuser/victim one. I do believe there was abuse, emotional for sure. But it went both ways. They have some kind of sick co-dependent relationship. Lots of couples willingly choose dom/sub relationships, and it doesn't mean the sub is abused. . .they choose that. Even in the pics from the bond hearing, the mommy/child dynamic is obvious. In several of the pics SM is looking at TM as if to just get some kind of sign of approval. TM is ignoring him. I bet that is typical for their relationship.

ETA. . .MOO. . .and now I need to go catch up. You all please slow down. Between this thread and the flight 370 one, we may be having cereal for dinner. :facepalm:

 

[Amster]

Soooo....out of the blue, SM calls Heather and says he has left his wife. Calls from a pay phone. Heather calls her roomie and is upset that SM called. Why did Heather call him back? Was he threatening to harm himself? Or, was she still infatuated by him? Guess we'll never know, really....:cry:

 

[cluciano63]

What time was the call from pay phone? Thanks.

 

[Manderz]

Question: is one of the cameras that showed their vehicle headed back toward their home after PTL close enough to the M's house that we know they went straight home? Or is it possible they were headed that direction but went somewhere else to dispose?

I guess what I'm saying is, does the surveillance limit the time they had to dispose of any evidence other than PTL or their homes' surrounding area. If it indeed showed them going straight home, then Heather was left in the water at PTL or she was taken to their home. This would definitely narrow the search area..

praying they find Heather soon, it's been way too long..

 

[rpgman]

The 15K reported was for 2011 and 2012, not 2013.

yep, sorry..
still doesn't matter...I think their UNDER-reporting their income thus the charges.

 

[Hatfield]

Just a few miscellaneous things to throw out.

All JMO

-I think its true that at least on SOME occasions SM allowed TM to handcuff him to keep him home as she went to sleep.

-I think its true that at least on SOME occasions TM forced SM to allow her to go with him to his night jobs.

-This tells me that SM really let TM control him much worse than I ever imagined. He was a puppet and she was the puppeteer.

-I think SM tries to look bad *advertiser censored* in public but really he is quite the wimp when it comes down to taking orders from TM.

-Its obvious to me from the court proceedings that only 1 vehicle was seen going + leaving PTL. I think both SM + TM were in that vehicle. But even if somehow SM was picked up by Heather and TM arrived then it still means that both were involved in Heathers demise. Both are GUILTY here. Further proven by LE charging both with murder in this case.

-So in a nutshell any possible theories of to the how and where need to involve both of these people.

Do I have anything wrong about both of them being involved part? Can someone shoot holes in this to where only TM or SM only could have been the one to do the actual murder without the other one being directly invovled in some way too?

 

[Makaroni]

I believe the way it went is SM called her from the phone booth so it would not show up on anyone's phone to indicate who called. After that call ended, HRE tried to call the pay phone number a few times then she called his cell phone number which then put everything into motion.

^^ this!! I strongly agree!!! Thus the claims that Heather was calling him, and he just told her to leave him alone. Didn't think they'd get caught calling from payphone FIRST and ignored cell a few times ... She was bothering him and he only answered to say leave me alone. (TM would claim) JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What time was the call from pay phone? Thanks.

1:30am Welcome. http://imgur.com/a/1lVsi#48

 

[Makaroni]

What time was the call from pay phone? Thanks.

1:35 am