Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

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goodfellas,
I for one, do not doubt you have superior knowledge and access to information in this case that most people do not have.

Yeah, don't get what the big deal with sharing public records is. He's obviously gone to either the Suffolk County Clerks office or Suffolk County Court Clerks office and made an appointment to see and make copies of the papers. Case number is 12-33683. I'm not invested enough in the case myself to do that, but hopefully someone else will. They even have a nice web interface to make the appointments: Suffolk County Clerk
 
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Yeah, don't get what the big deal with sharing public records is. He's obviously gone to either the Suffolk County Clerks office or Suffolk County Court Clerks office and made an appointment to see and make copies of the papers. Case number is 12-33683. I'm not invested enough in the case myself to do that, but hopefully someone else will. They even have a nice web interface to make the appointments: Suffolk County Clerk

Is it in those records the $3.25 forfeiture money is mentioned?? I'm still trying to find a source for that amount... or anything related to"forfeiture" in SG's case. Also, I'm not close enough to obtain any of these records. <modsnip>
 
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A witness in the criminal investigation, or a witness in the wrongful death lawsuit?
Perhaps he is referring to either the perpetrator? White Rabbit—there have been unsubstantiated rumors relating to goodfellas comments. There have been unsubstantiated rumors about leaks to of the content of 911 call.
 
Yeah, don't get what the big deal with sharing public records is. He's obviously gone to either the Suffolk County Clerks office or Suffolk County Court Clerks office and made an appointment to see and make copies of the papers. Case number is 12-33683. I'm not invested enough in the case myself to do that, but hopefully someone else will. They even have a nice web interface to make the appointments: Suffolk County Clerk
Thanks for the links, I'm on it! Scheduled an appointment.
 
Was Shannan still on her 911 call when she arrived at Coletti's house? Has it been discussed that perhaps she recognized Coletti and that is why she ran? Or perhaps he said something else to her? Why would she bother to run away if she went for help? Because he said he called the police? Makes no sense that she would call the police herself, knock on his door for help, he allegedly says he called the police and she runs?? To other houses? She would have known the other people who she went to would also call the police. I did not like how he laughed when he was being interviewed. All those victims, how could you even chuckle while discussing this?

After reading MP and JB's depositions, it seems like they concocted their story and also GC was involved in that aspect. I think it's a big fraternity over there. After all, you can't move in unless approved by the Board.
 
Was Shannan still on her 911 call when she arrived at Coletti's house? Has it been discussed that perhaps she recognized Coletti and that is why she ran? Or perhaps he said something else to her? Why would she bother to run away if she went for help? Because he said he called the police? Makes no sense that she would call the police herself, knock on his door for help, he allegedly says he called the police and she runs?? To other houses? She would have known the other people who she went to would also call the police. I did not like how he laughed when he was being interviewed. All those victims, how could you even chuckle while discussing this?

After reading MP and JB's depositions, it seems like they concocted their story and also GC was involved in that aspect. I think it's a big fraternity over there. After all, you can't move in unless approved by the Board.

It is my understanding that when SG arrived at Coletti's house she was not on the phone with 911.
I believe she ran away from Coletti's house because MP arrived there, and she was afraid of him.
 
It is my understanding that when SG arrived at Coletti's house she was not on the phone with 911.
I believe she ran away from Coletti's house because MP arrived there, and she was afraid of him.

Based on Detective Dominick Varrone’s statements in the 48 Hours interview; Shannan Gilbert was still on the phone with 911 during her encounter with Gus Coletti, and the conversation between them is in the 911 recording.

In my mind it is not clear that she was so much afraid of Michael Pak, but more so of what happened to her in Joseph Brewer’s house.
 
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I was trying to imagine what could have happened at Joseph Brewer’s house, which would have caused Shannan Gilbert to fear for her life, and came up with the following scenario:

Shannan Gilbert arrives at Joseph Brewer’s house. They make their introductions and perhaps have some type of alcoholic beverage together.

Their conversation shifts toward illegal drugs, and Joseph Brewer suggests that he is able to acquire them within the community.

They leave together in his car for 15 minutes and pick up either marijuana, cocaine or ecstasy, and then return to his house. (I lean toward the drug being marijuana, as the potential for paranoid reactions becomes more important as this scenario plays out)

They partake in whatever drugs they were able to pick up, and at some point she performs oral sex on him. (There is a reason that I believe sexual contact did not involve her undressing or go beyond fellatio)

Shannan Gilbert and Joseph Brewer are under the influence of alcohol and some other drug, and are now highly intoxicated. As they continue their conversation she becomes more comfortable and begins to speak more freely.

At some point she mentions the word transvestite in conversation. Joseph Brewer, who is under the influence, is paranoid and begins to think that he may have just had a sexual encounter with a transvestite. (If she had undressed and they’d had intercourse he would have known she was not a transvestite)

Paranoid and enraged he berates her about the possibility of her being a transvestite. At first she may have just laughed at the notion, which then adds to his suspicion and anger. She realizes that he is serious and tries to allay his fears, but he is too far gone to entertain anything she has to say at this point.

She agrees to leave and asks for the money she is owed for extending the amount of time. He refuses to pay her and demands that she leave immediately. She refuses to go until he agrees to pay her.

At this point he begins to physically assault her, and they get into an altercation. He puts his hands around her throat and begins to strangle her. He threatens to kill her if she does not leave. (This could be the reason Dr. Michael Baden ultimately discovered the injury to her hyoid bone)

She manages to gets away from him, takes a defensive position behind the couch and calls 911. He realizes that there will now be a record of anything that happens, and he decides at this point to engage help from her driver Michael Pak.

Michael Pak enters the house with Joseph Brewer. Michael Pak unsuccessfully tries to persuade Shannan Gilbert to leave with him. He gives up in frustration and returns to his car.

Joseph Brewer decides to make one last attempt to get her out of the house. He realizes that he cannot yell or make physical contact with her without it becoming part of the 911 record, and so he brandishes some type of weapon, perhaps a club or a knife. Shannan Gilbert then runs quickly out the door, falls down, and then gets up and runs past Michael Pak toward Gus Coletti’s house.
 
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White Rabbit— this is, again, the significance of the 911 call. There is much that is unknown to us, but known to some (those that have heard the call, and those that have heard from people that have heard the call). One of the rumors about the contents of the call, that reputable members in WS have previously mentioned, relates to SG being heard saying something along the lines of “…I didn’t see anything…I won’t tell anyone”.
 
White Rabbit— this is, again, the significance of the 911 call. There is much that is unknown to us, but known to some (those that have heard the call, and those that have heard from people that have heard the call). One of the rumors about the contents of the call, that reputable members in WS have previously mentioned, relates to SG being heard saying something along the lines of “…I didn’t see anything…I won’t tell anyone”.

“I didn’t see anything… I won’t tell anyone”

This gave me chills when I first read it, and if were true would change my train of thought completely, with regard to the case of Shannan Gilbert.

So I put some thought into a scenario where a statement like this was made by Shannan Gilbert during her 911 call.

The fact that Shannan Gilbert was on the phone with 911 reveals that she is already telling someone, and at the same time denying to the authorities as well as the perpetrators that she has seen something.

If Shannan Gilbert were in a situation where she were forced to make that plea would the perpetrators allow her to initiate a phone call beforehand, especially to 911? Would they allow her to crouch behind the couch and continue the phone call? Would they allow her driver to come into the house and possibly witness what she denies witnessing? Would that type of person or group of persons give her or her driver any chance to escape?

It would also suggest that Joseph Brewer were one of the perpetrators, otherwise why would they not dispose of him as well instead of allowing him to be questioned by authorities, and possibly exposing the group?

It just doesn’t seem plausible.

If the rumor were true it certainly would bolster the theory that Shannan Gilbert and the others were victims of a ruthless cabal of corrupt Long Island aristocrats.
 
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Chills is correct!!! Can our world be that twisted???
 
Based on Detective Dominick Varrone’s statements in the 48 Hours interview; Shannan Gilbert was still on the phone with 911 during her encounter with Gus Coletti, and the conversation between them is in the 911 recording.

In my mind it is not clear that she was so much afraid of Michael Pak, but more so of what happened to her in Joseph Brewer’s house.

Regarding Detective Dominick Varrone's statements. How credible has he been in this investigation? I am not trying to cast aspersions at all. I am just curious to know what others think about his comments and efforts?
I got the impression( and I may be totally wrong) that Varrone had heard the tapes, and he did not think they were useful, yet his employer the SCPD went to great efforts to keep them from the public.
 
It’s one of the neighbors that called 911, I guess, or Brewer’s number?
 
It’s one of the neighbors that called 911, I guess, or Brewer’s number?

I performed a reverse phone lookup for all 3 area codes and could only come up with this:

(631) 573-9308
Carrier: Peerless Network
Phone Type: Landline
Area Code Location: Sayville, NY

(516) 573-9308
Carrier: Verizon
Phone Type: Landline
Area Code Location: Floral Park, NY

(845) 573-9308
Caller Name: Mobilecomm
Carrier: Verizon
Phone Type: Landline
Area Code Location: Spring Valley, NY

I did find one link that came up with a name for (631) 573-9308. The name that came up in the link is O'hara, William D., Jr.
 
I think we all need to acknowledge that Pak and Brewer are both directly involved and they concocted a phony story...which does not add up, IMO after ready both ebts. So how can we believe anything of what they say? For example, the crouching behind the couch. She supposedly refused to leave, what a joke. She clearly ran from there scared sh*tless, probably arrived at Colettis then took off based on something he said or, as I mentioned before, perhaps she recognized him somehow. Somehow I have never seen any proof of any prescriptions they may have picked up at CVS...written to SG or Brewer...has anyone ever heard the police comment on this?

The more I read up on the residents of that private community, the more my blood curdles. Thick as thieves over there, with in-fighting as well.

Also, I'm sure there are way more bodies that have never been found. And these weaklings preyed on these smaller, younger sex workers. They figure no one cares and they are too small to fight back. Makes me sick.
 
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