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Good morning :sunshine: Smile and have a great day. Don't let the world bring you down just stand true to who you are. Never take life for granted and make the most of each day. :blowkiss:
 
After reading Y/N posts... I am soooooo glad I didn't receive Nurmi's book! LOL He is getting under my skin, I didn't think much of him before and he sure has not said anything change my opinion of him! :giggle:
 
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Religious symbolism of The Twelve Days of Christmas
(The 12 Days of Christmas)

1 True Love refers to God (A partridge in a pear tree)
2 Turtle Doves refers to the Old and New Testaments
3 French Hens refers to Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues
4 Calling Birds refers to the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists
5 Golden Rings refers to the first Five Books of the Old Testament, the "Pentateuch", which gives the history of man's fall from grace.
6 Geese A-laying refers to the six days of creation
7 Swans A-swimming refers to the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments
8 Maids A-milking refers to the eight beatitudes
9 Ladies Dancing refers to the nine Fruits of the Holy Spirit
10 Lords A-leaping refers to the ten commandments
11 Pipers Piping refers to the eleven faithful apostles
12 Drummers Drumming refers to the twelve points of doctrine in the Apostle's Creed
 
I have been watching some of the coverage by CNN, MSNBC, and Fox on politics and the San Bernardino shooting massacre. I can't get over how so many of the commentators bloviate and make some of the most inane comments. Is there any station where non biased news is broadcast? Fox News drives me more nuts than the other two lol.
 
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Woman stabbed boyfriend to death after he pulled her hair: prosecutors :sheesh:

"A back of the Yards woman stabbed her boyfriend to death on the Far South Side over the weekend after he pulled her hair during a fight and he asked her to make up with him and give him a kiss, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Vanessa Sanders, 38, was ordered held in lieu of $500,000 bail on a first-degree murder charge in Cook County Bond Court before Judge Laura Sullivan. Sanders is accused of killing her on-again-off-again boyfriend, Antone Sims, 28, late Saturday, prosecutors said Wednesday..."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...o-death-after-pulled-hair-20151202-story.html
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78-year-old confesses to killing: 'I'm the victim' (video)

"A Houston area man says he was 'pushed to the limit' when his wife was allegedly having an affair. He unapologetically confesses on camera to shooting his wife and killing her lover. VPC"

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/11/30/76592618/
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Sheriff Urges People To Carry Guns In Wake Of San Bernardino Shooting

"A sheriff's office north of New York City encouraged licensed handgun owners to start carrying their firearms on Thursday, one day after a mass shooting claimed 14 lives and injured 21 others at a social services center in San Bernardino, California.

In a Facebook post, the Ulster County Sheriff's Office urged residents to exercise their Second Amendment rights "in light of recent events that have occurred in the United States and around the world."..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...d1c57545?cps=gravity_2688_1121312433299196934
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GUILTY: Oscar Pistorius, final judgement

"Read the Supreme Court of Appeal’s Final Ruling here:..."

https://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/guilty-oscar-pistorius-final-judgement/

I couldn't open it as I don't have Microsoft Word :sheesh:
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Mom texts dead son to cope with grief, gets text back (video)

"Taylor Thyfault was hit and killed during a high-speed chase in May 2015. Since then, his mother has been texting his old phone as a way to deal with her grief. She never expected a text back."

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/76101710/
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My Mom's Had Alzheimer's For 12 Years, And This Is All I Can Do
"HOW IS YOUR MOM DOING?"


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(Picture taken by me in 1988)

"This is my mother 26 years ago. A lot has changed since then. My dad passed away 22 years ago and my son Logan is now 28-years-old. For the last three years mom has been living in a nursing home. Except for Alzheimer's and macular degeneration she takes no medication and is in perfect health...

Today there is no cure for Alzheimer's. So as long as I believe that my mom is "happy" and not in any pain the only thing left for me to do, is to love her completely"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-...mers_b_8591858.html?utm_hp_ref=fifty&ir=Fifty
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Holocaust survivor reunited with Polish 'big sister' whose family hid him from Nazis

"An Israeli man and Polish woman have been reunited at New York's John F. Kennedy Airport seven decades after her Catholic family saved the Jewish boy from the Holocaust.

Michael Hochberg, 77, sat holding hands Wednesday with 86-year-old Krystyna Jakubowska....

The family took in the boy at age 4 after he was literally thrown out of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw.

The Catholic family hid him for two years and made sure no one discovered that he was circumcised, and therefore Jewish. In doing so, they risked facing the death penalty for hiding a Jewish boy in German-occupied Poland.

His parents and grandparents died at the hands of the Nazis..."

http://mashable.com/2015/12/03/holocaust-survivor-rescuer-reunion/#8svUNLTD1sq5
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Singer Scott Weiland dies in Minnesota at age 48: Facebook statement

"Rock singer Scott Weiland, the troubled ex-frontman for the band Stone Temple Pilots, died during a tour stop with his new band the Wildabouts in Minnesota, according to a statement posted to his Facebook page late on Thursday.

Weiland, 48, died in his sleep while on tour in Bloomington, south of Minneapolis, according to the statement. His death also was reported by TMZ.com and Billboard..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/04/us-people-scottweiland-idUSKBN0TN0EF20151204

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RIP :candle:
 
John 'Cha Cha' Ciarcia, Actor on 'The Sopranos,' Dies at 69

"...The Manhattan native, who grew up on Mulberry Street in Little Italy, played mobster Albie Cianfione, the consigliere to Phil Leotardo (Frank Vincent), on HBO’s The Sopranos. He also appeared in such films as Martin Scorsese’s Goodfellas (1990), the DeVito-directed movies Hoffa (1992) and Death to Smoochy (2002) and A Brooklyn State of Mind (1998), which featured Danza..."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-ciarcia-dead-sopranos-actor-844917

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RIP :candle:
 
RIP: BUDDY MORENO

"Buddy Moreno has died at the age of 103. Mr. Moreno was a guitarist and the lead singer with The Dick Jurgens Orchestra when he made One Dozen Roses the number one hit in the nation in 1942...

Mr. Moreno died Sunday (Nov. 29) at Delmar Gardens North..."

http://greatentertainersarchives.bl...chive+(THE+GREAT+ENTERTAINMENT+MEDIA+ARCHIVE)


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RIP :candle:
 
Rushing to End Mass Shootings, Police Confront Greater Danger

"Even before teams of armed terrorists struck Paris last month, briefly holding hostages in a theater, officials in New York City had been altering their approach to school shootings and other murderous attacks that erupt and are frequently over within minutes.

Ordinary patrol officers, often armed with only a handgun and likely to arrive first at scenes like the one that unfolded Friday at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, are now expected to head into an unfolding attack and confront the perpetrators without waiting for more heavily armed backup..."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ru...ngs-police-confront-greater-danger/ar-AAfTqcX
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1938-1940
Deportation of the Roma and Sinti
Hitler's pseudoscientific attack on the "Gypsies" of Europe

"...Hitler’s regime charged Dr. Robert Ritter, Dr. Sophie Ehrhardt and nurse Eva Justin with conducting extensive pseudoscientific research into the genealogies of Roma and Sinti communities. In 1940, Ritter claimed that 90% of “Gypsies” in Germany were “of mixed blood,” and “the products of matings with the German criminal asocial subproletariat.”

By this logic, anyone with a drop of Roma or Sinti blood was deemed alien, prone to criminality and unsuited for society...."

http://mashable.com/2015/12/02/nazi-gypsy-deportation/#Og2M.0WcOkqE
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‘American Crime Story’ Trailer Reveals First Look at Selma Blair as Kris Jenner (Video)

"FX released the first trailer for Ryan Murphy‘s take on the O. J. Simpson trial, “American Crime Story: The People v. O.J. Simpson” on Wednesday, giving a glimpse of the entire cast in character for the first time.

Cuba Gooding Jr. stars as O.J. Simpson, and John Travolta plays defense attorney Robert Shapiro. The cast also includes David Schwimmer as defense attorney Robert Kardashian, Sarah Paulson as prosecutor Marcia Clark, Connie Britton as Faye Resnick, Selma Blair as Kris Jenner, Courtney B. Vance as defense attorney Johnnie Cochran, and Bruce Greenwood as Los Angeles County District Attorney Gil Garcetti. The true crime anthology series is slated to premiere in February....

https://www.thewrap.com/american-cr...rst-look-at-selma-blair-as-kris-jenner-video/

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At home with the loved one's is the best :)


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Trapped with Ms. Arias

Section 5

Quit


In chapter 29- L talks about his choice to leave Office of the Public Defender (thought would rid him of the murderer and her case)
In chapter 30- L explains how wrong he was
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Chapter 29

Want Out


fall, 2010: L was the murderer's atty for over year- had good idea of "what I had on my hands"

L claims- had a woman -who "brutally" killed boyfriend, who wanted to claim he was "an abusive pedophile"- who tried to attack her on the day she killed him, forced her to defend herself- she wanted to "make these assertions on a high profile setting....attack Mr. Alexander's reputation on a worldwide stage"- wanted L to help her- L claims the attacks "were more important than the outcome of her case"

L didn't believe her claims- couldn't un-prove them and couldn't stop her from telling them on the stand

L states he was "ethically bound to help" the murderer tell story

L forced to "build a trial strategy around those claims"- would have liked to her to say nothing- argue for manslaughter because of "chaotic nature of her relationship" with TA- lost control after she realized that TA only used her for sex

L "had to run with her story..was entitled to the defense she wanted...what I thought did not matter in terms of strategy...wanted no part" of the murderer's "plan of attack of" TA

only way to get off, was to leave Office of the Public Defender- couldn't just give case to another atty- couldn't find ethical issue

L said he liked working as Public Defender, although he was tired of doing capital cases- did 2 capital trials in 2 years- high toll on his life- leaving the murderer behind "was a big motivating factor" - did not want to give up job because of a client- didn't like the murderer "at all"

Fall, 2010- decided, after the holidays, to leave to go into private practice to defend DUI , sex cases, "whatever came through the door"

Jan., 2011- told Office of Public Defender's he was leaving- his former Co-counsel would take lead and new co-counsel would be named

L told the murderer he was leaving - she was very unhappy- wanted him to stay 'til end of case because "she wanted me to, merely because it suited her interests"- she cried and "assumed the role of victim"- she called him every day- became frustrated that "she couldn't manipulate me into staying"

L "sensed that" the murderer "felt as if I should have seen being her lawyer as a privilege"- as time went on, she resented him- she felt that a friend had "betrayed her"

Judge Duncan asked if L had filed a Motion to Withdraw- not typically done when leaving the Office of PD so, he said No; she also asked if he had a "contract" (had he agreed to defend indigent criminals for county in exchange for specific hourly rate of pay)- L did not have contract

Judge Duncan said she didn't care what "typically occurred in these situations"- if L didn't want to accept case, file Motion to Withdraw

Office of PD had already assigned someone to the case, it would not delay trial, was commonplace for atty to leave and cases reassigned
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Chapter 30

Spoiler Alert I Did Not Get Out


Feb., 2011- L wrote Motion and assumed he could leave

Judge Duncan wanted to hear oral arguments over motion

L wanted to get rid of the murderer ASAP so he can start new business

L didn't want to talk to the murderer anymore- thought new attys should, but he had to- still his client

"She didn't want to talk to me about her case. Instead her real desire was to convince me that I should keep her case" she used "every word Judge Duncan said to me at previous hearings to her own advantage..should take the contract rate for her case and move forward as Judge Duncan had offered" (pg. 175)

L states that the murderer felt that she had a right to ask him to put his "ambitions on hold to serve her ends"- the murderer was frustrated, shocked, angered that he didn't want to be her atty anymore, wanted nothing to do with her- "rejecting her case and her personally"- made her more determined to keep him

the murderer wrote letter to Judge Duncan- her mother wrote 1 too

-murderer explain to judge- unethical for L to leave; mother wrote that L should be forced to stay until case is done

day of hearing- attending- JM, members of PD Office, man who ran contract office for Maricopa

nothing resolved at hearing- L had to remain on case- 2 lawyers were appointed to represent the murderer because the murderer and L "had adverse interests ...related to my Motion to Withdraw"

L could make more money in DUI/ other cases- said that at hearing- if he was not allowed to withdraw, he had to submit affidavit about hourly rate he wanted

week later- murderer stood her ground with 2 new lawyers and opposed Motion

April 4, 2011- Motion denied because trial was scheduled to go to trial in Aug 2011

L was now "Trapped with Ms. Arias"- hoped the trial ended by early 2012- "the longer this case went on the more damage this case would cause my career"

the murderer was much more difficult after the ruling- "she was super pissed that I had wanted to leave her to begin with...not something she takes lightly...expressed her anger in both passive aggressive ways and ways that were all out aggression" (pg. 178)

the murderer told L that she was going to speak about him "in very unfavorable terms at the jail so that none of her fellow inmates would want to hire me"- L was to be the murderer's "personal lawyer" and wouldn't share him- she would also bad mouth him after the trial

"I needed to do as she desired, period...the golden handcuffs were firmly around my wrists"

end of Section 5 (pg. 178)
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Next:

Section 8
Dealing With Ms. Arias

Chapter 31
The Consequences of Being Ms. Arias' "Personal Lawyer"

Chapter 32
Jail Visits With Ms. Arias
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Morning! :wave:

Zuri said:
I hope Bernina pops in here too. I am very concerned about Zwiebel missing from the forum. She hasn't been on since right before the Paris attack. She travels all over Europe and I hope she is safe. She normally would have been all over the Pistorius appeal. I just worry about you all.

Yes, I too hope Bernina pops in here SOON!!! And also Swiebel, I noticed her missing too on the Pistorius thread... Hope all are well!

Don't know if anyone knows KatyDid on this forum, just read on my Facebook that she died... :candle:

GigiG said:
I'm starting to think that he's just a bitter person, who's now trying to change the way people perceive him, more than anything else. Did his feelings get hurt?

And how does that make you feeeellllll.... :laughing:

Zuri said:
This is purposefully cryptic:

A mutual friend of ours here, whose sister was murdered 27 years ago this month, was notified that the murderer was granted a hearing in AZ about getting off of Death Row. Can you believe it? What is with Arizona?

Oh NO!! :scared: I hope it doesn't go through!!!

YESorNO said:
I buy myself a Christmas present every year, but this year I can't figure out what I want. (maybe I have everything I need????)

I do too!!! This year I got a couple of tops!

Okay - off to do my errands and shopping!

:seeya: Later!
 
Trapped with Ms. Arias



L forced to "build a trial strategy around those claims"- would have liked to her to say nothing- argue for manslaughter because of "chaotic nature of her relationship" with TA- lost control after she realized that TA only used her for sex

Jodi became just for sex because that is all she had to offer. Travis took her along for some really nice trips, even in March before she moved back to Mesa. It is interesting that she writes in her journal about stopping at a motel and spent they night, and made out, but didn't do anything else. This was during their being official.


Fall, 2010- decided, after the holidays, to leave to go into private practice to defend DUI , sex cases, "whatever came through the door"

He says nothing about DUI and "what ever else came through the door", in his website. It all about how great he is in getting sexual predators, rapists, and child molesters off.

At the end of the first trial Nurmi was boasting about being Jodi attorney and everyone in the world should know his name because of her. Then there is that scrutiny he and Wilmont were concerned about for eternity he mentioned to Judge Stephens.




L was now "Trapped with Ms. Arias"- hoped the trial ended by early 2012- "the longer this case went on the more damage this case would cause my career"

the murderer was much more difficult after the ruling- "she was super pissed that I had wanted to leave her to begin with...not something she takes lightly...expressed her anger in both passive aggressive ways and ways that were all out aggression" (pg. 178)
the murderer told L that she was going to speak about him "in very unfavorable terms at the jail so that none of her fellow inmates would want to hire me"- L was to be the murderer's "personal lawyer" and wouldn't share him- she would also bad mouth him after the trial.
Poor Nurmi. Jodi threatens ruin him if she doesn't get her way. Can you imagine the power Jodi felt she had over Travis? She could ruin him in so many ways. Poor Travis, I'm so sorry he met the worst thing that ever happened to him. Nurmi you're not a victim, you didn't try hard enough to get off the case
 
Trapped with Ms. Arias

Section 5

Quit


In chapter 29- L talks about his choice to leave Office of the Public Defender (thought would rid him of the murderer and her case)
In chapter 30- L explains how wrong he was
=======================================

Chapter 29

Want Out





Jodi became just for sex because that is all she had to offer. Travis took her along for some really nice trips, even in March before she moved back to Mesa. It is interesting that she writes in her journal about stopping at a motel and spent they night, and made out, but didn't do anything else. This was during their being official.




He says nothing about DUI and "what ever else came through the door", in his website. It all about how great he is in getting sexual predators, rapists, and child molesters off.

At the end of the first trial Nurmi was boasting about being Jodi attorney and everyone in the world should know his name because of her. Then there is that scrutiny he and Wilmont were concerned about for eternity he mentioned to Judge Stephens.









Chapter 30

Spoiler Alert I Did Not Get Out




Did he ever have a clue in what all she put Travis through? He wants to come off as another victim of Jodi's.



Poor Nurmi. Jodi threatens ruin him if she doesn't get her way. Can you imagine the power Jodi felt she had over Travis? She could ruin him in so many ways. Poor Travis, I'm so sorry he met the worst thing that ever happened to him.

"I needed to do as she desired, period...the golden handcuffs were firmly around my wrists"

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You have to remember (and I do too :sheesh: ) that these are Laurence's thoughts before the trial started, so things happened during/after the trial/retrial and his thoughts changed because of those things. I'm waiting to see what happens and how his thoughts gradually changed or if they, in fact, changed. I don't think he will change his views about TA too much because I think he truly thinks that TA emotionally abused the murderer. I don't know how he can think those things because he knows how manipulating the murderer was/can be and most of TA's anger was because of her manipulations/lying. So- how can he say/still say that he knows what/who the murderer was/is and still say that TA was an abuser? :thinking:

I think Lawrence was a victim of the murderer in the beginning because he didn't know what a mess he was getting himself into (he gradually found out and wanted out, but he couldn't get out because of the ethics that attorney's have to follow). He had to follow what his client wanted and his hands were tied. I wonder if that is why his team (Wilmott, et. al) came to a disagreement on how to handle the trial and their client???? (he was tired of all the bull and lies and didn't want to do it anymore?). They were friendly before whatever happened.

I don't know if Lawrence was "boasting" about being the murderer's attorney- he definitely wasn't happy about that. I think he knew he would be "infamous" instead because most people think, IMO, that the defendant's lawyers are "guilty by association", so there's a tendency to not like them. And everyone who followed the trial/read/listened to the news does know him and not in a good way. I'm sure all the bad publicity he received may have affected his business. Even tho' the murderer received LWOP and he "won", it wasn't because it had anything to do with what he did, as the jury was 11 for the DP and juror 17's hold-out. Surely if JM was able to get her kicked off and replaced with an alternate, she would be on death row right now. Just a fluke, IMO.

Right now, as I'm reading more of the book, I'm letting my emotions get in the way of seeing how difficult a job that Lawrence had and I'm getting angry with words he uses to describe what was happening at the time- especially about Dr. DeMarte and his bashing of TA, but...it's his first thoughts/feelings and I do hope they change when the trial gets underway. We will see.....I still have an open mind at this point.

All :moo: of course
 
YoNo, I have a hard time believing these were Numi's thoughts BEFORE trial as he has written this book with 20/20 hindsightand brings the trial references in and out. For some reason, his discourse sounds like recall rather than from a journal he kept contemporaneously.
 
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You have to remember (and I do too :sheesh: ) that these are Laurence's thoughts before the trial started, so things happened during/after the trial/retrial and his thoughts changed because of those things. I'm waiting to see what happens and how his thoughts gradually changed or if they, in fact, changed. I don't think he will change his views about TA too much because I think he truly thinks that TA emotionally abused the murderer. I don't know how he can think those things because he knows how manipulating the murderer was/can be and most of TA's anger was because of her manipulations/lying. So- how can he say/still say that he knows what/who the murderer was/is and still say that TA was an abuser? :thinking:

I think Lawrence was a victim of the murderer in the beginning because he didn't know what a mess he was getting himself into (he gradually found out and wanted out, but he couldn't get out because of the ethics that attorney's have to follow). He had to follow what his client wanted and his hands were tied. I wonder if that is why his team (Wilmott, et. al) came to a disagreement on how to handle the trial and their client???? (he was tired of all the bull and lies and didn't want to do it anymore?). They were friendly before whatever happened.

I don't know if Lawrence was "boasting" about being the murderer's attorney- he definitely wasn't happy about that. I think he knew he would be "infamous" instead because most people think, IMO, that the defendant's lawyers are "guilty by association", so there's a tendency to not like them. And everyone who followed the trial/read/listened to the news does know him and not in a good way. I'm sure all the bad publicity he received may have affected his business. Even tho' the murderer received LWOP and he "won", it wasn't because it had anything to do with what he did, as the jury was 11 for the DP and juror 17's hold-out. Surely if JM was able to get her kicked off and replaced with an alternate, she would be on death row right now. Just a fluke, IMO.

Right now, as I'm reading more of the book, I'm letting my emotions get in the way of seeing how difficult a job that Lawrence had and I'm getting angry with words he uses to describe what was happening at the time- especially about Dr. DeMarte and his bashing of TA, but...it's his first thoughts/feelings and I do hope they change when the trial gets underway. We will see.....I still have an open mind at this point.

All :moo: of course



I'm confused, then. All of book 1 is from N's point of view BEFORE the trial? Why then the excerpts that directly address (and challenge) " the trial watchers" ? What watchers, if this is before the trial even began? Doesn't he defend LaV and Samuels' testimony in this book?

I'm personally not interested whatsoever in a book 2 or 3 if his opinion about Travis Alexander wasn't changed over the course of discovery and trials.

The man just doesn't seem willing or able to connect some very basic dots, even though they are lit up with bright red flashing neon lights and are the size of planet Earth.

His client feels "rejected" by him because he wanted off her case, manipulates the judge into keeping him on against his will, then turns on him after she gets what she wants, threatens him that she'll destroy his reputation, and acts out against him in ways that are both passive aggressive and outright "aggressive, " he being her lawyer responsible for trying to save her life rather than, let's say, an expendable BF?

And....Nurmi sees so little, grasps so little, and is tangled up so much that he is believes Travis is at fault in any way at all for his own death?

Nah.
 
Taking my grandson our for lunch at his favorite place. Two Guys From Italy. He just got his first job. It's night stocking at the smaller Walmart. It pays $10.40 an hour, and he can work 32 hours a week. Four days @ eight hours and three days off. I think this will help change his world. He was beaten down by his mother and her second husband. He told his psychologist that they called him a dumb f, and stupid. You can't undo the damage when the person is autistic, you can only hope they can forgive and forget someday.
 
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