Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #4

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Busylady said:
Thank you, I guess thats what I am missing I went through all the addresses and could not come up with a match. Paula could you post the link that shows the same address. Thank you so much.
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I'm working on it. I've got tons open and copied and in the middle of reading and making more connections.
 
Couldn't the motorcycle club members have been from the Patriot Guard? I know sometimes when that "crazy church" threatens that they are going to attend a funeral the Patriot Guard shows up to protect and shield the families.

I apologize if it's already been determined what motorcylce club was there and it wasn't the Patriot Guard. I've been trying to keep up.
 
FlowerChild said:
IMO, This was a "hit" and innocent children paid. Those "kill shots" give it away - the person who killed them is a cold, calculating "pro" and could care less if people saw him. He isn't connected in any way to ANY of them and knew within hours he would be far away. And THAT is why the Placker family was shielded by a biker group when they left the funeral so as not to be on video and why the OSBI waited until the funerals were over to release the sketch and why the familes have NOT been on TV. They are HIDING and I betcha the Placker family either has a cop living with them or they are GONE. I think within a week the Plackers will all be somewhere else - hopefully with a new name. As soon as they are, there will be "more developments" and more info from OSBI.

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First...the reason BACA was at the funerals is because they attend EVERY funeral in Oklahoma when the Phelps' family threatens to attend. I personally know the people at the top of BACA's Chapter. One is a CPA. BACA stands for Bikers Against Child Abuse. The group's main focus is to protect abused children. They will immediately go to the child's home, give the child a photo of the group, a teddy bear, and then they will literally post a "guard" outside of the child's home 24/7 until the child goes to court. Then they will escort the child and family during the court process. This is done to give the child a real sense of security and help the fear the perp will retalliate. They are NOT associates of a gang. Most are bankers, lawyers, and other professional people. They were there out of the kindness of their hearts to shield the families from outrageous behaviors and I applaud them.

http://www.bacausa.com/

http://www.bacausa.com/Internet/Testimonials.aspx

I knew about Joe Jr., but LE has emphatically stated they have cleared the family. This means they are well aware of circumstances and associates of the family. We already knew that Peter and Vicky had Biker names mentioned on one of the websites. Granted, the Bandidos could have a connection to this...but right now we have a POI. It would have made more sense for the POI to have been on a bike to do this. It is easier to hide, his face could be completely covered by a helmet, and the getaway would have been quicker, imo. There are many reasons I do not believe the two are associated.
 
cloudajo said:
Yes, that's what I meant. If LE was suspicious though, would they announce that or just put the sketch out anyway because they only have some suspicions and need more time?
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Wow, excellent thoughts. It makes me wonder even more now because they haven't narrowed down the type of truck (Ford, Chevy?) - that should be easy enough to do by showing the witnesses different pictures. :waitasec:
 
The sketch was a result of "several" people coming forward. This would mean others saw him on the road or in the area before or afterwards. I do not think someone made him up nor do I think that people are mistaken about him being NA. If it had only been one person it could be possible, but it was not according to LE.
 
You make some good points, SS, but I still wonder if a hard-core biker who really loved his bike wouldn't choose to use a different "disposable" vehicle for a hit.

If it was a biker, could he have driven the truck with the bike in the back to the deserted road, then hidden the bike nearby for a quick getaway after he ditched the truck?

Being a biker would explain the jeans and heavy boots in hot weather.

Susan
 
I'm not sure the Bandido's have anything to do with this. But the case involving them puts an exclamation mark on the bad deal connections in the Placker family. The rap sheets in this family are long. How many convictions were plead down in exchange for information? How many charges were never filed in exchange for information? The possibilities are endless. How many debts financial and otherwise were never settled?

IMO, the fact that LE has cleared the family means they've been cleared of pulling the trigger themselves. It doesn't mean they weren't a target of someone outside the family.

ETA: I think that Taylors grandparents fled violence in OK City alright. Violence and trouble in their own family and the associates of that family. God bless them, they tried.
 
There are many reasons I think this was a "hit" - not the least of which is the manner in which the girls were killed.

The killer would NOT necessarily have have come on a bike - because that would ID him as a "biker" - and immediately alert the family and OSBI to the Bandidos connection.

We don't know that the killer didn't come on a bike, just that the POI didn't. Plus, the killer or POI may NOT be a biker, he may just be an "associate".

The Bandidos have been bad news for a long long time, they are not a "nice" bunch of people and are into criminal commerce, drugs, guns, theft, prostitution etc. They are an old style "biker gang" - they were around when I was in High School.

I think the connection is pretty clear here, at least some of the Placker family was somehow connected to the Bandidos. If any one of the family did ANYTHING to really P-off those guys this very definitely could have been the result. The Plackers do not have to be bad people or involved - NOTHING they did could have warranted the killing of two innocent girls. The OSBI did clear the family (meaning NONE of them KILLED the girls) but that does NOT mean that someone else didn't kill the girls to HURT the family and send them a message. The family can hardly change who they are or who they may know (or have known) or who their kids got involved with that were bad news. NONE of that makes the Placker family at fault in this murder - BUT it could be the MOTIVE for someone to kill these girls 300 yards from home execution style.

IMO the ONLY reason for someone to take so much time, and use TWO guns and end the act with two carefully placed execution style shots - after the girls were probably already dead, was to send a message to SOMEONE. A retaliation, a pay back, a shut-up, a vendetta - the killing was, IMO, a MESSAGE to someone.

And it is borne out by the absence of the families in the media, the way Taylor's funeral was handled, the fact that there was NOT ONE SINGLE "family" photo in her memorial video or anywhere - every photo of Taylor shown was taken at school and her family (GP's even) are nowhere to be seen. Not ONE PHOTO shown of Taylor and her siblings, her GP's or ANY FAMILY! There is also the way even the POI information was released. It just appears the Placker family is hiding from something (or someone) for a reason. Not because they are guilty, but because they are (justifiably) scared that the crazy who killed the girls will strike again. The killer has already shown he doesn't care WHO he kills, so long as he completes his "job".

To me, there are so many things here that add up to the Bandidos and a "hit".

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LE would be absolutely aware of their situation. If they find any leads or ties to the Bandidos...you know they are actively pursuing them.
 
Claycat said:
I agree, Oceanblueeyes, but I think they would have changed their name if they had been under protection.

This is so sad! Poor kids! Taylor could have been targeted, and Skyla was just there because she was her friend.
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Definitely would have changed their name if in the witness protection program, and most likely moved them out of the state.
 
IMO, the fact that LE has cleared the family means they've been cleared of pulling the trigger themselves. It doesn't mean they weren't a target of someone outside the family.
ETA: I think that Taylors grandparents fled violence in OK City alright. Violence and trouble in their own family and the associates of that family. God bless them, they tried.[/quote]

Well said... I think it is the only reason I could wrap my mind around such a sensless act. Mark Furman said it was someone who had done this before and was a cold blooded killer. It may not be retribution or retaliation but it certainly looks like that to me. jmo
 
tiredblondy said:
and I would suspect if they are they did not want this to be made public
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The family was cleared awfully quick IMO. That could be because the family was able to give a dang good motive right away. Not that they know exactly who or exactly why. Hopefully they do though.
 
I'm confused. Is this Joe Placker Jr who was in the motorcycle gang any relation to Taylor? Did the trial already happen, and how do we know he was going to turn on the others in the gang?
 
TGIRecovered said:
You make some good points, SS, but I still wonder if a hard-core biker who really loved his bike wouldn't choose to use a different "disposable" vehicle for a hit.

If it was a biker, could he have driven the truck with the bike in the back to the deserted road, then hidden the bike nearby for a quick getaway after he ditched the truck?

Being a biker would explain the jeans and heavy boots in hot weather.

Susan
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With the searches they did with the helicopters and planes..they would have spotted a white truck dumped in the area. The people who saw the POI can say one way or the other if he was driving the truck and had a motorcycle in the back of it. Also, there would be tire tracks from a bike. If they suspected it, they would have released that information for people to be on the lookout for him on a bike.

Yes, being a biker would account for the choice of clothing, but so would several other reasons mentioned here. For instance, being in the woods.

I am not saying it isn't possible, but I don't think we can jump to any conclusions either.

I am well aware of motorcycle gangs in this area. Outlaws, Bandidos, Mongols, etc. and they can be ruthless without a doubt. I also know they do plea bargains to obtain information on them as in the case of the guy that raped the 11yo girl while her mother held a pillow over her face. She got life in prison and he got 6 years. I am still burned over that one! :furious: I should mention the little girl he raped was the daughter of a rival gang member and when he is out...he is going to have limited time until they catch up with him, imo.
 
Hello to everyone first my I say I am a looooong time lurker, this case has brought me out of my shell. I am in awe of this forum it is one of my favorites all of you folks are incredible in your sleuthing skills and your class and integrity and treatment of victims their family's and of each other. With that said I am happy to have finally joined you all.

I have been reading these threads since the beginning of this horrible tragedy. I don't believe their are words available to me in the English language to express the utter sorrow and pain I feel for these innocent babies and their family's. These beautiful children have been the last thing I have thought about before I fall asleep at night and the first thing I think about when I wake up for the last week. I pray for an end to this horror and for an answer for why, why WHY.

The last several pages I have raised my eyebrow up at the Motorcycle Gangs reference. Made me step back and truly think about it and scratch my noggin for awhile. A direction and connection that truly needs to be taken seriously. As the ex-wife of a enforcer for the Son of Silence I was witness to things 15 years later that I will never talk about. They do have their own set of laws and codes for life and death for loyalty and disobedience. The one thing I feel that they would never do and a place they do not go to is hurting children, especially in this horrible and heinous way. No matter what injustice they have felt was brought on them. They usually have the power and connections to definitely find their prime target and take care of it as they feel necessary. Just my thoughts from a stand point of having been in that life somewhat.

I have been reading everyones thoughts and ideas and considering them all. To me it almost feels like something a mountain man (for lack of a better analogy) almost like a war time sniper taking down the enemy. For lack of a better words that is the only thing I can compare it to. For kids out joy shooting or even drug dealers to do this and the amount of psychotic overkill that was involved makes me think that they would have shoot and ran and not taken the time to finish the job. They would have been in a panic and freaking out. The methodical assassination of these babies feels so much like something that a crazy survivalist would do if they perceived an injustice to their person occurred. Maybe the girls stumbled on him or them the shots and kill shoot seems so exact and precise bring them down finish them off. Get in get out before the enemy finds you type of mentality. When I heard of the helicopter scouting around the area I was so hoping that was what they were looking for so praying that they would find them. But someone of that type would have pulled up and disappeared, but for the peace and justice of these girls and their family's I pray that that isn't the case.

Thank you so much for letting me babble a little here I really needed to express myself and try and get some of the pain and utter horror I feel off my chest :blowkiss:.
 
Welcome to WS, MsB! I appreciate your insight into the biker realm and you do bring up some valid points. Most bikers I am familiar with do hold children in high esteem while they wouldn't have a problem wacking their father for going against their code. It is something to think about.

The mentality of a survivalist type as you mentioned could be another possibility. We can look at Garry Hilton and how he lived, killed, and avoided capture for so long. He showed no mercy either.

This could be some crackhead who is delusional and paranoid with some false idea the girls were out to get him. His reaction might be the same...deliberate and brutal.
 
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