Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #2

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nosysw said:
Thanks for the additional thought as I was just wondering about this. On the UPS store website they noted that they offer a physical address to customers which looks more professional than just a PO box. Does anyone know if the business address included a physical address?
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The address for the business was the UPS store address + a suite number. The UPS store is at the same location as the Publix where they got lunch.
 
Ninth Hour Development, LLC is a Georgia Limited-Liability Company filed on April 24, 2014. The company's filing status is listed as Active/Compliance and its File Number is 14041854.

The Registered Agent on file for this company is Registered Agents Inc and is located at 300 Colonial Center Parkway, Ste 100n Roswell, GA 30076. The company's principal address is 2451 Cumberland Parkway Suite 3136 Atlanta, GA 30339.

http://www.bizapedia.com/ga/NINTH-HOUR-DEVELOPMENT-LLC.html
 
Donjeta said:
Well, I'm sorry, I haven't read every post in every thread and I thought this was a fresh topic since it was brought up in this thread.



He wasn't on the brink of death straight away, all two-year-olds that I know would have been able to squirm their way out of a normal seatbelt on the back seat even during the ride from Chick-Fila to the parking lot. They are designed to keep a larger person from being flown out of the seat in case of sudden stop, not to keep a small child from freeing themselves out of them. JMO. The angle of the legs in a child sitting in the backseat and the rear facing car seat would likely be slightly different too, and if the child is feeling faint or not alive and actively using their muscles to keep in a sitting position it's imo questionable whether the seatbelt designed for adults would keep the child in a sitting position. They would slump imo. If the child scratched himself to the backseat there would be forensic signs of that.


I go back to the mindset of a parent who has just realized that he lost his child because he forgot the child in a hot car. If it was a honest accidental mind-freeze and they're devastated I think they would probably not be very likely to worry about CYA and lie to the cops who are investigating their child's death because they violated seatbelt laws... Seems negligible when there is the much bigger problem that the child is dead. It was clear in the probable cause hearing that the police thought the position of the car seat was significant because it meant RH could see Cooper, so he just shot himself in the leg and damaged his defense if he lied that Cooper was there and he in fact was somewhere else that he couldn't be seen. I'm reasonably certain that the topic came up several times in his interviews with the police.


Not necessary, you can feel quite free to just ignore my posts and not reply to me if I'm bringing up something that you are already bored with.




Yes and weren't there witnesses at the parking lot who might have seen RH get his son out of the car?



Well I think it's a disliked theory because the police in the PCH testified differently so it makes the investigators either incompetent or liars and there doesn't appear to be sufficient justification to blame them for such at this point. It also makes RH a liar and if RH was an innocent, devastated father who had just realized that his son was dead I would expect him to mostly have told the truth to the police in the first interview as he hadn't had time to figure out suitable lies and perhaps even no need, at least not about this.
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ITA. I believe the autopsy itself will prove he was buckled in tightly. I also believe he would have crawled all over the car trying to get out to find Mommy.
My niece is the same age and I firmly believe she could and would crawl into the front and open a door. No way would she sit still to suffocate when she was uncomfortable and no one is there. JMO.
 
Donjeta said:
Well, I'm sorry, I haven't read every post in every thread and I thought this was a fresh topic since it was brought up in this thread.
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I go back to the mindset of a parent who has just realized that he lost his child because he forgot the child in a hot car. If it was a honest accidental mind-freeze and they're devastated I think they would probably not be very likely to worry about CYA and lie to the cops who are investigating their child's death because they violated seatbelt laws... Seems negligible when there is the much bigger problem that the child is dead. It was clear in the probable cause hearing that the police thought the position of the car seat was significant because it meant RH could see Cooper, so he just shot himself in the leg and damaged his defense if he lied that Cooper was there and he in fact was somewhere else that he couldn't be seen. I'm reasonably certain that the topic came up several times in his interviews with the police.
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Well I think it's a disliked theory because the police in the PCH testified differently so it makes the investigators either incompetent or liars and there doesn't appear to be sufficient justification to blame them for such at this point. It also makes RH a liar and if RH was an innocent, devastated father who had just realized that his son was dead I would expect him to mostly have told the truth to the police in the first interview as he hadn't had time to figure out suitable lies and perhaps even no need, at least not about this.
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My gut tells me RH realized what happened when he had the text exchange with LH at 3:45, and I wonder if he talked with one or more people between then and when he left work. He may have been in a total panic about his son being dead, and then about what was going to happen to him legally--it might not be absurd to think this crossed his mind since he and his brother were involved with LE.

I don't know about Stoddard telling lies, but when he was questioned by RH's lawyer, there was a surprising amount of information that LE didn't know the answer to because the information was not yet available.

Yes and weren't there witnesses at the parking lot who might have seen RH get his son out of the car?
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There was one who said RH put Cooper on the floor of the car, another saw him put Cooper on the asphalt. Stoddard only described witnesses seeing Cooper on the ground.
 
I believe someone said RH put him on the floor of the car first then on the asphalt.
 
I had never seen the report stating Cooper was laid on the floor (floorboard?) of the car. I would be interested in reading it.

All I have read suggests pavement.


“He kept saying, ‘What have I done? What have I done,’” witness Dale Hamilton told ABC affiliate station WSB-TV. “He laid his son on the ground and started doing CPR, trying to resuscitate him. Apparently, the child wasn’t responding.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-charged-felony-murder-sons-heat-stroke-vehicle/story?id=24258412



"He hopped out of his car. I didn't know what he was doing at the time," Hamilton said. "But, he eventually pulled the child out of the car seat. I guess he was trying to un-restrain him. He pulled him out of the car seat, laid him on the ground and was trying to resuscitate him."

http://www.wafb.com/story/25812472/child-dies-after-being-left-in-hot-car



Nevermind, just found the floor reference. Personal Opinion: She misspoke. She meant ground or pavement but said floor. JMO



Artiyka told MailOnline: 'I saw him (Harris) immediately jump out of the car, very quickly, very frantically.

'He pulled the baby out of its child seat and on to the floor, but I didn't realize the baby was lifeless at that point, I thought maybe he was choking. He put the baby on the ground and started to give him CPR, there was one other person there with him helping.

'I didn't want to get too close. I was emotional, it was crazy. He was shouting "What have I done, oh my God I've killed my son."'

But Artiyka said after that something wasn't quite right about Harris' demeanor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-car-toddler-son-died-way.html#ixzz35kj7ClqA
 
Just reading the transcript again and was wondering if Stoddard means that Ross was acting strange when LE left the interview room and watched him or whether Ross was acting strange in front of Stoddard?

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: OK. Let's talk about his demeanor during his interview with you. Would you tell the judge a little bit about his demeanor and whether it seemed odd to you in any way?

STODDARD: His demeanor would actually -- would fluctuate also. He started off trying to work himself up, and we're watching him on the camera as he's doing this. He's walking around and rubbing his eyes and you know -- it looked like he was trying to hyper vent late himself and then just stop. Stop and walk over and sat and looked through -- we had a map on the wall covering up a two-way mirror and he looks at the map. He would sit up, stand down, sit back down. No tears, no, you know, real emotion coming out of him, except for the huffing, i would put it.

I think this means Ross was doing this after he was alone in the room but not sure. How does someone hyperventilate on purpose? What does this do? I've had panic before and hyperventilated and it was involuntary

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html
 
There are a number of medical conditions that cause breathing difficulties: asthma, anaphylactic shock, obstructions of one sort or another, metabolic alkalosis, and so on. But it was obvious that she was breathing comfortably, but just as fast as she could, purposely.


She ignored me. And then she fell back on the examining table and passed out. Her family started to scream. The appearance of the young woman took on an extraordinary aspect: she stopped breathing. If you didn’t know better, you would have thought she was dead. No breathing. But her pulse when I took it was regular and normal.


There are two centers in the brain that control breathing. The more sensitive one responds to carbon dioxide. A rise in CO2 in the body causes deeper breathing. There is also an area sensitive to the oxygen level in the body. The lower the level the more urgency is felt to breathe. The two centers work together to control the level of breathing, unconsciously. But when there is a very low level of carbon dioxide in the blood and a high level of oxygen, there is no impetus to breathe! That is what was happening to this young girl. After a few moments, her breathing started up again, first shallow breathing and then more normal, whereupon she woke up. I tried again to get her attention, but she ignored me. She immediately started hyperventilating again as hard as she could. And the family started to scream again.


Adolescent girls, for reasons that are not really understood, tend sometimes to develop hysterical (psychosomatic) symptoms. In the past, there were occasions when groups of girls in school together fainted one after the other, or began to throw up—with no discernible cause. And over the next few days, they would be joined by others. In a different setting some adolescent girls have been seen to throw things about the room surreptitiously and pretend that a poltergeist in present. These behaviors, thankfully, do not happen very frequently. And I had never seen a girl like this who was obviously doing this hyperventilation trick for the effect it was having on her family.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...hyperventilation-and-hyper-hyperventilation-1

Apparently purposeful hyperventilating is possible.

I think Stoddard may have been attempting to describe a man who was calm in demeanor but didn't want to appear to be and so while no one was in the interview room with him, in anticipation of the coming interview, purposefully breathed more quickly and tried to "work up" a more frantic upset state than he was actually in.

JMO
 
The Cooper Harris case: Silence in face of injustice
The Marietta Daily Journal
By Allen B. Goodwin
July 26, 2014 11:40 PM


I am quiet. But it hurts. I am without that settled feeling that usually overcomes me when I know my mouth is safely shut and my computer keyboard is asleep. I am quiet but unsettled. I need to write to somebody.

Like many people, I’ve followed the coverage of the tragic death of Cooper Harris, the toddler who suffocated in his father’s car on June 18 in Cobb County.

Although possible, as of this writing, I seriously doubt Cooper Harris was murdered. Here’s what may have happened:

His dad, Ross Harris, pulled into the Akers Mill shopping center parking lot as he was discovering that he’d just made the biggest mistake of his life. He’d accidentally killed his own son. He’d left his son, whom he loved, in the car that morning.

“What have I done?” he cried.

He was “uncooperative with police,” in the minutes that followed. He cursed one officer and told a female officer to “Shut up!” I’m guessing that the officers took those remarks in stride.

Then comes Detective Phillip Stoddard. He hasn’t seen the display of raw emotion that one eyewitness called, “definitely genuine,” and all the cops on the scene had accepted at face value. He speaks with Harris, who makes a poor first impression when he was not completely truthful with his answers about who he’d been calling on his cellphone.

Detective Stoddard hears the stories of Harris’ disrespect toward the uniformed officers. I suspect Harris’ remarks — retold — offended the detective more than they did the officers themselves.

Detective Stoddard then has to “process” the death car in the hot sun, a time consuming and gruesome procedure. Stoddard sees and smells the results of Harris’ carelessness. He questions the depth of Harris’ stupidity. How could anyone be so dumb? And this smell, how could anyone miss this smell?

He factors in the disrespect toward the uniformed officers, one of them a woman. It’s hot. A shade tent was eventually brought in. And somewhere between hot and bothered, Detective Stoddard concludes that whether Ross Harris is guilty of anything or not, he needs to be taught a lesson.

[modsnip]

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More of the article at link:
http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_...per-Harris-case--Silence-in-face-of-injustice
 
Umm he said FU not Shut Up to the officer. Big difference IMO.
 
this examiner article is confusing. Not that I consider the examiner site MSM but I know the rules for this site have relaxed a bit from what I was accustomed to when I first became a member so I do not dispute its being linked.

This part here makes no sense. IMO it implies the writer thinks RH is a minor???

The Guardian reported on Saturday that Justin Ross Harris is not alone when it comes to sexting among minors. In the UK, it is estimated that as many as 62% of the population owns or has access to a smartphone, and this rising use of technology is causing a big problem with the Nottinghamshire Police Sexual Exploitation Investigation Unit.

http://www.examiner.com/article/relationship-advice-from-justin-ross-harris-could-your-sexting-be-a-felony
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Also the headline is misleading and implies that RH gave advice to others on sexting and not that his story could be used by others as a cautionary tale or to avoid a possible legal pitfall.

JMO
 
I hope that piece from the MDJ was a op-ed piece and not considered actual journalism or coverage of the case because to me it reads like one guy's opinion. I respect his right to have it but it is not news. It is opinion. And it does a good job of voicing some of the concerns I have seen from members here and probably across the web.

I feel differently but he has every right to his opinion.
 
osu said:
The Cooper Harris case: Silence in face of injustice
The Marietta Daily Journal
By Allen B. Goodwin
July 26, 2014 11:40 PM


I am quiet. But it hurts. I am without that settled feeling that usually overcomes me when I know my mouth is safely shut and my computer keyboard is asleep. I am quiet but unsettled. I need to write to somebody.

Like many people, I’ve followed the coverage of the tragic death of Cooper Harris, the toddler who suffocated in his father’s car on June 18 in Cobb County.

Although possible, as of this writing, I seriously doubt Cooper Harris was murdered. Here’s what may have happened:

His dad, Ross Harris, pulled into the Akers Mill shopping center parking lot as he was discovering that he’d just made the biggest mistake of his life. He’d accidentally killed his own son. He’d left his son, whom he loved, in the car that morning.

“What have I done?” he cried.

He was “uncooperative with police,” in the minutes that followed. He cursed one officer and told a female officer to “Shut up!” I’m guessing that the officers took those remarks in stride.

Then comes Detective Phillip Stoddard. He hasn’t seen the display of raw emotion that one eyewitness called, “definitely genuine,” and all the cops on the scene had accepted at face value. He speaks with Harris, who makes a poor first impression when he was not completely truthful with his answers about who he’d been calling on his cellphone.

Detective Stoddard hears the stories of Harris’ disrespect toward the uniformed officers. I suspect Harris’ remarks — retold — offended the detective more than they did the officers themselves.

Detective Stoddard then has to “process” the death car in the hot sun, a time consuming and gruesome procedure. Stoddard sees and smells the results of Harris’ carelessness. He questions the depth of Harris’ stupidity. How could anyone be so dumb? And this smell, how could anyone miss this smell?

He factors in the disrespect toward the uniformed officers, one of them a woman. It’s hot. A shade tent was eventually brought in. And somewhere between hot and bothered, Detective Stoddard concludes that whether Ross Harris is guilty of anything or not, he needs to be taught a lesson.

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More of the article at link:
http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_...per-Harris-case--Silence-in-face-of-injustice
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This writer is pissing me off. Is this a MSM publication? What is up with the media in Georgia playing devils advocate on this case? I get being skeptical what I can't comprehend is tailoring the data to match your theory in a news media publication. I need to calm down. I left him a comment at the end of his article. <mod snip>
 
tlcya said:
I hope that piece from the MDJ was a op-ed piece and not considered actual journalism or coverage of the case because to me it reads like one guy's opinion. I respect his right to have it but it is not news. It is opinion. And it does a good job of voicing some of the concerns I have seen from members here and probably across the web.

I feel differently but he has every right to his opinion.
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Where can I read this piece?
 
WOW. Well, if RH gets out of jail, by acquittal, we know he has at least one friend. Perhaps an author, to tell his sad story. JMO
 
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