Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #2

[cady]

The Probable Cause Hearing was just that. Was there probable cause to bind RH over on the charges presented, for trial. PC does NOT mean "beyond a reasonable doubt". If the judge was not persuaded that what evidence was offered, rose to the level of PC, he would have dismissed. One thing that clearly got him off the fence was the fact that at the end of the work day,RH got in his 130-140 degree car and drove with the windows still closed with the putrid stench of the corpse of his child several miles before pulling over to announce his "forgetfulness". JMO

 

[tlcya]

I wonder if Ross was on his phone at the Chick-Fil-A and sent a kik from there? He may have gotten a response in the car after starting to drive off. If he had his phone right next to him in the car, he could have seen an incoming kik message and hurried to get to work to get his sexting started. JMO

this is my suspicion as well. I think the sexting is going to come into this because I feel it is going ot directly factor into the timeline and RH state of mind (distraction)

 

[RANCH]

I wonder if Ross was on his phone at the Chick-Fil-A and sent a kik from there? He may have gotten a response in the car after starting to drive off. If he had his phone right next to him in the car, he could have seen an incoming kik message and hurried to get to work to get his sexting started. JMO

If that did happen, the defense will sure use it in an attempt to show that JRH was distracted when he left the Chick-fil-A. MOO.

 

[matou]

If that did happen, the defense will sure use it in an attempt to show that JRH was distracted when he left the Chick-fil-A. MOO.

Sure. It will still show negligence on his part though and not just a 'blip' in his brain that forgot about Cooper. He strapped him in tight and kissed him and told him he loved Cooper. He interacted with him. JMO

 

[tlcya]

If the defense uses the distracted by penis and breasts defense if will certainly be interesting. Because sexting was a choice to engage in sometimes illegal activities at the expense of what you are supposed to be focused on, delivering your child safely to daycare.

IMO If the sexting did start on that drive, it does not help RH case. RH opted to allow that distraction into his morning at the expense of his parental duties.

 

[RANCH]

Sure. It will still show negligence on his part though and not just a 'blip' in his brain that forgot about Cooper. He strapped him in tight and kissed him and told him he loved Cooper. He interacted with him. JMO

I don't believe the defense will try to show that JHR wasn't negligent. It's painfully obvious that he was. I think that they will try and show that JRH was distracted and forgot about Cooper.

All they need is one sympathetic juror and they get a hung jury. A hung jury is a win for the defense. JMO.

 

[Sonya610]

If the defense uses the distracted by penis and breasts defense if will certainly be interesting. Because sexting was a choice to engage in sometimes illegal activities at the expense of what you are supposed to be focused on, delivering your child safely to daycare.

I have seen a few talking heads suggesting the "Ted Bundy" defense: i.e. the devil works through *advertiser censored* and poor RH was a victim of a sex addiction etc...

So yeah if he was sexting before he got to work the defense may try that angle.

 

[cady]

If the defense uses the distracted by penis and breasts defense if will certainly be interesting. Because sexting was a choice to engage in sometimes illegal activities at the expense of what you are supposed to be focused on, delivering your child safely to daycare.

IMO If the sexting did start on that drive, it does not help RH case. RH opted to allow that distraction into his morning at the expense of his parental duties.

LOL and does anyone really think that he was lying in bed "watching cartoons"? JMO

 

[human]

If that did happen, the defense will sure use it in an attempt to show that JRH was distracted when he left the Chick-fil-A. MOO.

Substitute drunk or,high for distracted. Does that change how people think of distraction for sexting.

Same same as far as I am concerned

 

[LisaB]

Wonder how long he sexted with minors?

The AJC spoke with, Andrew Case, a New Orleans based web developer that specializes in computer forensics. Case estimates it could take months for investigators to dig through this mountain, with each discovery suggesting "fresh lines of inquiry, forcing digital investigators to re-examine all of the devices for all of that data, and then search for new evidence."

In other words, with every new piece of information that comes up in this forensic analysis, a new investigation could occur. Was there only one minor that Ross Harris was allegedly sexting with within the past year alone?

http://www.examiner.com/article/ros...ter-forensics-expert-profiler-talks-deception

 

[PaperDoll]

I feel the smallest yet the largest detail that won't be explained away is the fact that Cooper was in that car for seven hours.

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/25490723/article-Profiler--doctor-analyze-Harris

Dudley said he sees lapses in memory very often and considers them normal. What wasn’t normal about Harris’ act of forgetfulness, he said, was Harris apparently didn’t remember his child for seven hours.

“What made it unusual is the length of time that he was left in the car,” Dudley said.

I agree, how can he forget????? 7 hours and he forgets???? He even went to the car at lunch and forgets??? He didn't forget to go to work, he didn't forget his brief case, he didn't forget to take Cooper to Chick-fli-a, he didn't forget to strap him in his car seat but he forgets less than a minute to take him to day care? Gosh, I'm a broken record here.. lol but it's beyond me how he forgets his "little buddy"

 

[RANCH]

Substitute drunk or,high for distracted. Does that change how people think of distraction for sexting.

Same same as far as I am concerned

I'm not following you. Are you saying that being drunk or being high is more of a distraction than sexting?

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Do you mean that "certain sexual behaviors" like exchanging *advertiser censored* with a minor are "taboo" in the South? Because I live up North and we don't look too fondly on it either. Sorry if that makes us prudes.

***SNIPPED

Plus he was involved in an ILLEGAL activity while his son died (providing/receiving *advertiser censored* with a minor). It is not uncommon for parents to be charged with a crime when their child dies while they are engaged in another crime. It doesn't automatically mean the police (and all of us) are prudes. I have sexted before. No one was underage and no one died.

I'm not sure that LE knew the age of all the women/girls at the time the original charges were slapped.

 

[PaperDoll]

I wonder if Ross was on his phone at the Chick-Fil-A and sent a kik from there? He may have gotten a response in the car after starting to drive off. If he had his phone right next to him in the car, he could have seen an incoming kik message and hurried to get to work to get his sexting started. JMO

IIRC and from my understanding Stoddard said there was nothing at that time to cause distraction. I do understand what you are saying but RH not once through out that whole day remembered he forgot to take Cooper to day care??? Then on his drive to the movies he finally notices him????

 

[LisaB]

What did Ross do at the UPS store? He went there too at lunch.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Now, let me stop you there. Did you eventually find out where he had gone during lunch that he had left out?

STODDARD: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Where had he gone?

STODDARD: He had gone to Publix, the UPS Store and Home Depot. And he had purchased two boxes of light bulbs.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html

My guess is that he checked the P.O. Box for his company (started with his two lunch companions).

 

[LisaB]

The Toronto Relationships Examiner recently reported on how Michael Baygents told the Atlanta Journal Constitution last week that there was no motive in this case, and that to say that the Harris's were in financial straits was "ridiculous."

But that is not what he said at the probable cause hearing. And that is not what the defense said at the probable cause hearing either. In preparation of asking Judge Frank Cox for a bond, defense attorney asked Michael Baygents if he considered Ross Harris and Leanna Harris wealthy, asking, "Would you say that the family is not of great wealth?" to which Michael Baygents, Sergeant in the Tuscaloosa Alabama Police Department replied, "Yes."

This testimony was used to support the defense's request for a bond of $50 thousand dollars based on the fact that "these are people of limited means."

http://www.examiner.com/article/ros...ter-forensics-expert-profiler-talks-deception

 

[LisaB]

This is a theory of mine--it is continually brought up by poster after poster as if they're disturbed by the possibility there could be any other scenario than what they envision. Not sure why this keeps getting rehashed and rehashed, but since you've asked, a child buckled into the back seat of a car would also be in a sitting position when rigor set in. He would have been able to scratch himself and he would have been able to beat his head against the back of the seat. It is questionable whether a child would be able to work its way out of a seat belt, but I don't know how Cooper reacted to the excruciating heat--it's possible he could have become extremely fatigued, may have gone into seizures, may have become totally disoriented--all which would effect his ability to get free from the belt.

Why would RH lie about buckling Cooper into his car seat? Maybe something to do with child seat belt laws comes to mind....

I don't really feel a need to rehash this over and over, I made a post on a different thread where no one responded in such a way as they have on here. But if you want to keep talking about it we can...as I mentioned before and as you said, the forensics will close this one way or the other. I guess it's a disliked theory because if RH didn't buckle Cooper into that small car seat, but put him in the backseat, it may take some heat off the theories that he intentionally killed his son?

Thanks for this. Until now, I have misunderstood what you were suggesting. I thought you meant that he put the baby in the car seat but did not fasten it. Instead you are saying the baby WAS fastened in, but was in a regular seatbelt beside the empty car seat. I would tend to agree that would make it more difficult to see him, and the visual of the empty car seat might have confused a parent into thinking that his child had been left at daycare.

 

[LisaB]

ITA. I believe the autopsy itself will prove he was buckled in tightly. I also believe he would have crawled all over the car trying to get out to find Mommy.
My niece is the same age and I firmly believe she could and would crawl into the front and open a door. No way would she sit still to suffocate when she was uncomfortable and no one is there. JMO.

I bought my first car with "power stuff" in 2011. I got to work, lowered the window to badge into the parking lot, and could not figure out how to get the window back up. Had to call the dealer. I usually lock and unlock the car using the key fob to prevent my locking it inside. If I had a toddler, he might not realize there WAS another way to open the locks and get out.
MOO

 

[LisaB]

My gut tells me RH realized what happened when he had the text exchange with LH at 3:45, and I wonder if he talked with one or more people between then and when he left work. He may have been in a total panic about his son being dead, and then about what was going to happen to him legally--it might not be absurd to think this crossed his mind since he and his brother were involved with LE.

I don't know about Stoddard telling lies, but when he was questioned by RH's lawyer, there was a surprising amount of information that LE didn't know the answer to because the information was not yet available.



There was one who said RH put Cooper on the floor of the car, another saw him put Cooper on the asphalt. Stoddard only described witnesses seeing Cooper on the ground.

I never saw "floor of the car" but DID see "floor" and thought the individual mis-spoke and meant "ground".

 

[LisaB]

When did Leanna Harris really find out about it? And what did she really start doing about it? And, when did those "hot car death" searches really start happening, and how close was that timeline to the discovery of the cheating?

Do we know without any uncertainty whatsoever that Leanna Harris wasn't catfishing her own husband that day to frame him during what she knew would become a very crucial timeline for her?

http://www.examiner.com/article/lea...between-lines-of-hot-car-death-mom-statements