Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee

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My guesses would be:

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Witness to her plan to kill her.
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I respectfully disagree with that.

If LE was aware of someone who knew in advance KC was planning to kill Casey, that person certainly wouldn't be a tossed around as mere threat or potential "witness". That person would of already been charged as an accomplice and be equally responsible for Caylee's death. By mention of KC being "solely responsible" says the evidence they have suggests NO ONE knew in advance. No passing the blame on others in that....this is all about KC.
 
Excellent point---not sure how or who started this "gaff" tape nonsense.

I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.
:rolleyes:
 
I'm thinking of heavier gloves working though. If you could get ahold of the tape. Canvas type gardening gloves wouldn't stick like latex. Just a thought.

You are right they don't stick as badly, but they would leave fiber and any dirt on them left behind. And, it is impossible to rip the tape, have to use scissors or teeth to get it going if wearing gloves.
 
My guesses would be:

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Witness to her plan to kill her.
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I respectfully disagree with that.

If LE was aware of someone who knew in advance KC was planning to kill Casey, that person certainly wouldn't be a tossed around as mere threat or potential "witness". That person would of already been charged as an accomplice and be equally responsible for Caylee's death. By mention of KC being "solely responsible" says the evidence they have suggests NO ONE knew in advance. No passing the blame on others in that....this is all about KC.
 
If you will go back through this case, you will find many, many instances where their "sources" could only be LE. The information which "leaked" turned out to be coming directly from their reports and information only they would have had access to in order to release it.

I think what we are dealing with here are posters who have not followed this all along, so they don't see the pattern of "sources" right before something big happens.
 
If you will go back through this case, you will find many, many instances where their "sources" could only be LE. The information which "leaked" turned out to be coming directly from their reports and information only they would have had access to in order to release it.

I think LE may be giving Baez a subtle hint before they put the death penalty back on the table, but I doubt his ego will let him take it.
 
If you will go back through this case, you will find many, many instances where their "sources" could only be LE. The information which "leaked" turned out to be coming directly from their reports and information only they would have had access to in order to release it.

Sometimes I think LE tells them to use the word "source" because they don't want to do a PC at the time.
IMO
 
Im weeping now
And all this info just before I go to bed
Please no one gloat over the fact that *you*were right about it being intentional and those of us that tried to hold onto some kind of humanity that Casey accidentally killed Caylee now have egg on our faces
Please do not gloat
A little girl , a beautiful little girl is dead.
Right now a Mother and Father have lost not only their granddaughter but also their daughter.
It just isnt the time to gloat

A very sad Jane :(


You know Jane, I have always thought it was intentional...and yet...AGAIN... I am sitting here with tears literally streaming down my face for this baby again. Just as they did when her tiny discarded body was found, I had already believed she was dead, I had no doubts. Finding her body impacted me in a way I can't explain and I busted out crying in my doctors office waiting room when I saw it on tv.

This case has moved me from the start and has effect me emotionally. I'm a little different because of it. I can not even BEGIN what Cindy and George are going through.
 
Excellent point---not sure how or who started this "gaff" tape nonsense.

I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.
:rolleyes:
 
I don't find anything remarkable about the article itself. It's old news, with the exception of the botany and entomology reports. Until now, I had not seen any report on the flora and fauna at the crime scene. If this is new -- maybe I just missed it earlier -- it was likely an offensive move by the SA to dispel any theories about the body being moved from place to place before team KC starts throwing up smoke and mirrors vis a vis the MR and PI's.

Otherwise, the article is not particularly newsworthy. The timing is interesting, though. Not sure what to make of it yet. A little nudge to JB, maybe. We've got the goods. DP still an option. Don't waste time and money with a trial. Advise your client to plea.
 
Why do you say that? How would you know?

I personally believe KC better take LWOP before it is too late - this could be an intentional leak right before the DP is put back on the table - That is what I believe.

The report that was done concludes that Casey is 100% guilty of intentionally murdering her daughter. The report is based on a "source." These are huge accusations that have a direct impact on Caseys right to a fair trial by jury rather than by media proclamation. Most news organizations have clear rules about how and when anonymous sources are used. This stroy violates the general rule that you do not use such sources for personal attacks on individuals. This goes far beyond personal attack. I fear that this news report is going to provide JB with a lot of fuel to drag this case on even longer. The story is only going to further complicate the seating of an unbiased jury when the media has already declared her guilty by "overwhelming" evidence. Such a strong statement with no source. JB is going to jump all over that. LE doesn't need to leak this sort of info. If it is true, it's a slam dunk at the proper time. If it is true and it was leaked by a source close to the investigation, all they have done is given JB ammo to drag this case on and on.
 
Casey was in such a crazed state that she did not carry out the murder as she had planned - hence there is probably evidence of her being where the body was found. She panicked and thought she could get away with cutting corners in terms of leaving a trail - now she's cooked.

Now they are opening the door to a guilty plea which, because of the pompous attorney's need for attention, won't happen. Part of me thinks this thing is not going to go to trial and part of me thinks because of stupidity of the players involved, will. Casey maybe really believes she could get away with this. I say it again, please let me stick the needle in. Better yet, bring back the chair.
 
Excellent point---not sure how or who started this "gaff" tape nonsense.

I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.
:rolleyes:
 
Casey was in such a crazed state that she did not carry out the murder as she had planned - hence there is probably evidence of her being where the body was found. She panicked and thought she could get away with cutting corners in terms of leaving a trail - now she's cooked.

Now they are opening the door to a guilty plea which, because of the pompous attorney's need for attention, won't happen. Part of me thinks this thing is not going to go to trial and part of me thinks because of stupidity of the players involved, will. Casey maybe really believes she could get away with this. I say it again, please let me stick the needle in. Better yet, bring back the chair.
 
I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.
:rolleyes:
 
Why do you say that? How would you know?

I personally believe KC better take LWOP before it is too late - this could be an intentional leak right before the DP is put back on the table - That is what I believe.

The report that was done concludes that Casey is 100% guilty of intentionally murdering her daughter. The report is based on a "source." These are huge accusations that have a direct impact on Caseys right to a fair trial by jury rather than by media proclamation. Most news organizations have clear rules about how and when anonymous sources are used. This stroy violates the general rule that you do not use such sources for personal attacks on individuals. This goes far beyond personal attack. I fear that this news report is going to provide JB with a lot of fuel to drag this case on even longer. The story is only going to further complicate the seating of an unbiased jury when the media has already declared her guilty by "overwhelming" evidence. Such a strong statement with no source. JB is going to jump all over that. LE doesn't need to leak this sort of info. If it is true, it's a slam dunk at the proper time. If it is true and it was leaked by a source close to the investigation, all they have done is given JB ammo to drag this case on and on.
 
What about the duct tape?

Good question, kinda reminds me of when my 7 year old chihuahua died. My kids were home that day because it was during the summer, and to keep them from knowing at that moment, I wrapped him up in a blanket and carried him outside. They never knew until after I buried him.
I think the duct tape was wrapped to silence her from her own bedroom to keep her parents from hearing anything. I don't think GEorge seen them that day. I guess I'll have to wait to find out exactly what was found with her body to keep with this theory, but I do think it is very likely..
 
A big thanks to 21merc7 & Angel Who Cares for posting the story & the video. Much appreciated!

In summary, IMHO, the report is basically telling us that the botanist's & entomologist's findings triangulate the timeline that ties:
(1) the date & time of death, to
(2) the body being xfer'd from the Pontiac to this disposal location without any lapse in the chain of custody of the body as determined by
(3) continuous possession the Pontiac.​

IMHO, the clear possession of the Pontiac will be the thread that pulls all this together and sews Casey up.

Detailing these points…

Perhaps the botanist's results re: plant growth through the skeletal remains, will be the evidence that definitively proves the body was in the final disposal location from the time it was discovered, working backwards, until the date it was removed from the Pontiac. IOW the body was not put there by someone other than Casey at a time other than when it left the trunk of the Pontiac based on the ADD (of ~2.6days) - no ZFG & no body shuffle by anyone else - period.

Perhaps the entomologist’s results will confirm the date & time of death independent of the circumstantial evidence we currently have (i.e. ADD of ~2.6 days is a duration not a date/time, and last known witness of 12:50PM 6/16 is all we currently have to establish the earliest possible date/time of death).

Add to the above that at no time close to the date & time of Caylee’s death (week of 6/15) was the Pontiac in anyone’s possession other than Casey’s, and you have a solid chain of custody that ties Casey DIRECTLY to the body through the Pontiac. This chain of custody would prove Casey’s culpability beyond a reasonable doubt, IMHO.

Fingerprints on the duct tape would just make the case even more iron clad identifying Casey’s culpability, IMHO, it just likely won’t prove the manner of death any better.

Perhaps the pivotal point of this case at trial will be proving the source of the chloroform in the trunk. Based on what we know at this time the absence of a reasonable explanation for that elevated level of chloroform will make it circumstantial evidence pointing to its use in carrying out the crime, implying intention. The SA strategy might be to try to put the burden on the defense to explain it away. I’m not wild about this proposition…so I’m hoping there’s more evidence to come regarding the chloroform as recovered from the disposal or G&C’s via the final SW.​

…on the emotional side of all of this…I’m completely there with you guys on the wide range this news brings. IMHO, there are NO winners in all of this…Caylee’s life was taken…no amount of justice will reverse that sad fact.:frown: If there is a silver-lining…it maybe that through the efforts of many, many good & decent people, justice maybe served…and this apparent flagrant, deceitful victory of evil overpowering the innocent good is but fleeting…and that our/my faith in the victory of good over evil can be restored. I have faith that balance is never upset in the grand scheme…just here where we witness it…it gets kicked outta kilter sometimes.

And finally, it isn’t lost on me that the VERY thing that is sewing all of this together is dear, sweet, little, 2 year old, Caylee Marie. She gave LE everything they needed…her very flesh and bone. She didn’t need to do that for herself…she gave that gift for us to have the justice we need. Moreover, she gifted the world with a living example of how the power of our love for one another can move us…so much more profoundly than evil ever could.

…sorry the long post & for waxing poetic…I just had to pen that outta my system. :rolleyes:
 
I'm sorry but I'm not really sure why ANYONE is introducing the idea that the tape found on the remains is GAFF TAPE and not DUCT TAPE. Two TOTALLY DIFFERENT types of tape. All the reports from LE, etc. that have been reported in the media have referred only to DUCT TAPE.

Here is what gaff tape is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaffer_tape

Here is what duct tape is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape

Although both are pressure sensitive, one is backed with cotton material and the other vinyl.

PLEASE, PLEASE don't try to confuse the issue ... it makes me think that anyone that tries to say gaff tape was with the remains is trying to point the finger at someone who has not been implicated and is merely involved because she just happens to be a friend of the accused.

Just after Caylee was found to have tape on her Geraldo was giving an impromp-to 'breaking news' deal. He was the one calling it gaff tape. He called it that several times. Michael Baden was there with a roll of duct/duck tape and was calling it duct tape and doing a demonstration of just how good the tape was at collecting prints and tissue. He also pointed up that it would be nearly impossible to use with latex/rubber gloves too. Baden also demonstrated tearing the tape with his teeth and leaving DNA evidence behind.

So...blame the Gaff tape on Geraldo. I was watching 'live' and I honestly couldn't understand why one of them was saying duct and the other gaff. I didn't even know what Gaffer tape was.
 
I believe it was the inimitable Geraldo who first said Gaff tape. I remember rolling my eyes when he said it.
:rolleyes:
 
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