Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared #2

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And gyms are dirty places, bacteria content is so high due to sweating and all that, just does does fit a doting caring mother who is worried about her childs health.

jmo

I know nothing about this gym, but our gym has a big area for the kids and only the kids. No adults can get in except the staff. It is seperated into 3 areas, 1 for the infants with appropriate toys that get disinfected nightly, 1 for toddlers with a play structure and big foam blocks & things, and 1 with a Wii system and rock wall, etc for the 7+ range. There are windows all around so that parents can see all corners of the area and check/peek in between sets or whatever.

There are rules, no fever or diareah w/i 24 hours of dropping off, and things like that.

Again, if this was an alibi, then of course she can't say K had a ranging fever, and then also be able to go to the nursery, etc.

Is anyone close enough to check in on this place and tell us what it is like so that we aren't guessing???

In terms of her using the Beavertown versus the closer one to her current home, I wonder if she had a work-out buddy, a trainer she liked, or maybe just specific equipment that she prefered...or maybe it was just someplace that would give her more driving time while K rested???
 
She called it an earache, not an ear infection...for the moment I'm going to assume that she somehow was able to distinguish the two. I don't think it's a HUGE assumption...either she took the child to the Dr earlier or there was another reason that she was able to figure out without a Dr...like swollen gums or something.

You all are assuming that the child was a screaming banchie, when she could have just been overly tired, or having some pain.

If a child has an earache or some other head thing going on, the longer they fuss, the worse it gets. Yes a tired baby will eventually cry themselves to sleep...but if the pain keeps amping up with each sob, then yes it would be torture...if something distracts enough to allow her to calm and fall to sleep...then great.

I have stated many times in my lifetime that I would rather be in labor than have an earache and since I have experienced both on more than one occassion I know for a fact there isn't too much outside influence that will distract you from the pain of an earache until the pain itself subsides...

Also, pressure changes when riding in a car can cause ear pain (fussiness, crying, or pulling on ear) when riding in a car in the mountains or riding in an airplane.
 
Well, I can tell you that sleep distracted my kids.

I'm NOT talking about a ranging infection though...so that may be where we might be having some trouble seeing eachother's perspectives.

I honestly don't recall whether we ever made driving trips while my eldest had an infection (my youngest has never had one)...but there have been PLEANTLY of teething trips, where the teething has given rise to ear discomfort.

My eldest got tubes because he could not have antibiotics, so he rarely had infections after that...but certainly had his share of ear/throat pain and congestion due to teething.

Mostly all we needed to do was distract him...thankfully we had lots of kids around during the day for that.

Every kid/person is different...so how can we really say for sure how K responded to this, we can't.

So at this moment all I can say, is that I need more information. Before hearing from you all, I kinda thought it was like this with all kids, I really had never heard of NOT needing the occational car ride to secure some much needed sleep or placing the car seat atop of a running washing machine...maybe my circle and family is just like that...

I had horrible ear & sinus infections when I was an infant - childhood...my mom was the one who made the original suggestion to me with my kids....

So, I guess this is just one more of those 'things' that we will need more info on to really know anything...it's a toss up as near as I can tell :banghead:
 
Is it my imagination that Kaine said in an interview this past week that the baby was teething? Maybe the audio interview?

ETA: I have a note from the audio interview:
-Terri mentioned teething but Kaine really can't talk about it.
 
I tried to post this earlier but it was deleted. I am new to posting. Anyway, Terri was online playing Family Feud on Facebook at 9:01am on June 4, according to her wall posts. I'm sure someone here has a link to her wall, but I don't know the correct allowed link and don't want this deleted again. I think this is an important bit of info, since she said left the school at 8:45am and went shopping until 10:10am.

Are you in the same time zone as TH? Because FB shows your local time and if you are, for instance, on the east coast, 9:01 am would be 12:01 pm in Portland.

ETA: Oh, duh. I just realized I wrote this backwards. 9:01 on the east coast would be 6:01 in Portland. Sorry for the stupidity.
 
Is it my imagination that Kaine said in an interview this past week that the baby was teething? Maybe the audio interview?

Yes, I remember that from the audio interview. But I don't remember whether he was saying that he had personal knowledge she was teething, or whether he said TH said she was teething.
 
Sorry, I'm not buying it...If the child had an earache and was fussy she should have never taken baby K out in the first place..There was no need for her to even take the baby to school or take Kyron to school either for that fact since she had taken his project in the day before...And we all know she didn't bring the project home. IMHO.. Woman is guilty as HELL-O in reference to Kyron's disappearance.. And IMHO it will be proven...JMO

All of that makes perfect sense! When my kids were small and could ride the bus, I never took the youngest out in the morning if I could avoid it - and certainly not if they were sick. Either the whole thing is a lie or Terri is just super-selfish and had to get in that gym time regardless of how the baby was feeling.

If she had gone to a friend's house for lunch, maybe it would make sense even if the baby was sick. She could just sit and hold the baby to comfort her. But to a dirty gym and a day care? That would be no.

Your point about why she even took Kyron to school that morning since she didn't need to deliver or pick up the science project continues to baffle me. And considering that she emailed the teacher later in the day, I don't understand why she didn't just ask the teacher or one of the other parents that morning about when the projects could be taken home - especially since she had the truck all day???
 
Call me crazy, but I really don't see how this time period means anything anyway.

Where was Kyron?

I think the more important time was 8:45-10:10...If she didn't have him at that time, then the time period 'riding around' is irrelevant.

Unless I guess if someone else took him and then passed him back to terry after she established her alibi at the markets.

And then what? She disposed of him and rushed to the gym for more alibi?

You're right of course. If TH is responsible, where was Kyron during this shopping time? It would be too dangerous to just leave him in the car - she couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be seen.
 
Yes, I remember that from the audio interview. But I don't remember whether he was saying that he had personal knowledge she was teething, or whether he said TH said she was teething.

I can't remember either. I'm going to have to go back and listen to it again in the morning.

I think we have to keep in mind that this timeline info doesn't come directly from Terri. The reporter is retelling what he/she heard from unnamed sources. So some things could have understandably have been misunderstood or misinterpreted as they went from Terri (if indeed the info came from her), to the unnamed sources, to the reporter.
 
You're right of course. If TH is responsible, where was Kyron during this shopping time? It would be too dangerous to just leave him in the car - she couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be seen.

Maybe Kyron wasnt alive anymore during shopping time? Is it not possible she could do something to him and still stash him in the car, perhaps in a gym duffle bag? Would love to see if all her stuff like that is accounted for. Why did she need the truck that day? Was it so she wouldnt get stuck somewhere watery? Why didnt she take the science project home, isnt that what she told Kaine she was using it for, or is that unconfirmed?
 
Not sure if this observation belongs in this thread. It does not directly link to TH's movements, but it DOES link to major gaps in her story. We know she took Ky to school in the truck so she could pick up the Science Project. Sometime between about 8 am and 8:45, she becomes 'aware' the science fair goes until 10 am (even though that info was posted on the school's public readerboard). We know (from her later actions) she did not ask, that morning, when the project could be picked up. We know that about 1:20 she posted Ky's picture and exchanged emails with DY (Oregonian interview). At this time she STILL did not know when to pick up the project (DY: “She emailed me during that day to let me know she was going to find out when she could pick up the project so I could see it. So she obviously didn’t know when she was supposed to pick it up.”) And finally, we know that she didn't bother to return to the school to TRY to pick up the project ... even though she promised to show it to DY.
 
You're right of course. If TH is responsible, where was Kyron during this shopping time? It would be too dangerous to just leave him in the car - she couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be seen.

He could be under a blanket or a pile of stuff such as her gym bag, etc. Who pays attention to that?
 
He could be under a blanket or a pile of stuff such as her gym bag, etc. Who pays attention to that?

Yeah, I mean maybe its time to check out the trash disposal routes the gym garbage is picked up?
 
Maybe Kyron wasnt alive anymore during shopping time? Is it not possible she could do something to him and still stash him in the car, perhaps in a gym duffle bag? Would love to see if all her stuff like that is accounted for. Why did she need the truck that day? Was it so she wouldnt get stuck somewhere watery? Why didnt she take the science project home, isnt that what she told Kaine she was using it for, or is that unconfirmed?

How? In the Skyline parking lot? Did she pull over on the way to the market?

Apparently there was confusion around the fair, the parents involvement etc.

I asked this before...has anyone seen that PTA flyer that outlined the morning? It invited the parents 8-10, but I don't recall it mentioning the tours. What the heck were the parents doing between 8:45-10????? I honestly don't remember the flyer...that's why I want to see it again...but if Terri got there expecting to be able to hang with Kyron until 10, but couldn't because he was to report to his class for the tours, then what sense does it make for her to stay? But then why was it opened to parents until 10?

Whatever...

Terri left at 8:45 before the fair was over. Kaine said she intended on staying...did she leave because K was fussing? Did she leave because the tours were beginning? Whatever...she left at 8:45...the tours lasted until 10, she couldn't take it.

Apparently she wasn't sure if she could even take it that day at all. Seems reasonable to me that she asked for the truck IN CASE she could take it...because Desiree was interested in seeing it...I'm assuming getting it that day would make the most sense since Kyron was supposed to be going to D's that weekend.
 
Not sure if this observation belongs in this thread. It does not directly link to TH's movements, but it DOES link to major gaps in her story. We know she took Ky to school in the truck so she could pick up the Science Project. Sometime between about 8 am and 8:45, she becomes 'aware' the science fair goes until 10 am (even though that info was posted on the school's public readerboard). We know (from her later actions) she did not ask, that morning, when the project could be picked up. We know that about 1:20 she posted Ky's picture and exchanged emails with DY (Oregonian interview). At this time she STILL did not know when to pick up the project (DY: “She emailed me during that day to let me know she was going to find out when she could pick up the project so I could see it. So she obviously didn’t know when she was supposed to pick it up.”) And finally, we know that she didn't bother to return to the school to TRY to pick up the project ... even though she promised to show it to DY.

yes yes yes!!!!

Liars that I know just have no clue that their lies don't add up. Maybe if TH is a liar, then people over the years quit calling her on it.

I know I don't call liars on it anymore. I just file it under "liar".

Maybe I am bad, but I just deal with liars as if they are a tree. They are talking, but I don't care what they say. I don't have the time or interest to sort them out.

Unless it impacts my life somehow. Then I make note of it and then make note of how to deal with their lies. But not with the liar. That's a hopeless cause.
 
How? In the Skyline parking lot? Did she pull over on the way to the market?

Apparently there was confusion around the fair, the parents involvement etc.

I asked this before...has anyone seen that PTA flyer that outlined the morning? It invited the parents 8-10, but I don't recall it mentioning the tours. What the heck were the parents doing between 8:45-10????? I honestly don't remember the flyer...that's why I want to see it again...but if Terri got there expecting to be able to hang with Kyron until 10, but couldn't because he was to report to his class for the tours, then what sense does it make for her to stay? But then why was it opened to parents until 10?

Whatever...

Terri left at 8:45 before the fair was over. Kaine said she intended on staying...did she leave because K was fussing? Did she leave because the tours were beginning? Whatever...she left at 8:45...the tours lasted until 10, she couldn't take it.

Apparently she wasn't sure if she could even take it that day at all. Seems reasonable to me that she asked for the truck IN CASE she could take it...because Desiree was interested in seeing it...I'm assuming getting it that day would make the most sense since Kyron was supposed to be going to D's that weekend.

I am a teacher in another state. When we have fairs such as art or whatever, they are set up in the gym.

The parents at my school can tour all day. (Major lack of security, but we are having new schools built, thank goodness).

The teacher signs up for the time that s/he is going to bring the class to go on the tour in the office a couple of weeks ahead of time.

There are overlaps of parents in the gym, but it's no biggie.

But the sign up by teachers is to make sure that all of the children in the school aren't in the gym at the same time.

I have NO IDEA of what they do at Skyline, but as this is not some kind of rocket science, I imagine that their way of doing things is pretty much similar if not the same.
 
Is it my imagination that Kaine said in an interview this past week that the baby was teething? Maybe the audio interview?

ETA: I have a note from the audio interview:
-Terri mentioned teething but Kaine really can't talk about it.
:woohoo:

I know it was mentioned in TH's FB, but I don't know when it was because I read a ways back into it, but not all the way before it went private.
 
Maybe Kyron wasnt alive anymore during shopping time? Is it not possible she could do something to him and still stash him in the car, perhaps in a gym duffle bag? Would love to see if all her stuff like that is accounted for. Why did she need the truck that day? Was it so she wouldnt get stuck somewhere watery? Why didnt she take the science project home, isnt that what she told Kaine she was using it for, or is that unconfirmed?

I think the truck is a 4 door and is the stang a 2 door? It certainly would be more difficult to get someone out of the backseat of the stang. It also would seem that there isn't that much room on the floor of the stang.
 
I am a teacher in another state. When we have fairs such as art or whatever, they are set up in the gym.

The parents at my school can tour all day. (Major lack of security, but we are having new schools built, thank goodness).

The teacher signs up for the time that s/he is going to bring the class to go on the tour in the office a couple of weeks ahead of time.

There are overlaps of parents in the gym, but it's no biggie.

But the sign up by teachers is to make sure that all of the children in the school aren't in the gym at the same time.

I have NO IDEA of what they do at Skyline, but as this is not some kind of rocket science, I imagine that their way of doing things is pretty much similar if not the same.

Well we know that the projects were not all in one area...they were spread out in various class rooms and some were in the gym.

The PTA president said that the school opened early at 8 to accomidate working parents and at 8:45 kids were broken up into groups to tour the fair.

The school was opened to the PUBLIC from 8-10, but no sign-in was required.

If the kids were due to report to their class at 8:45, but this wasn't outlined in the flyer inviting parents, what were the parents expected to do at 8:45? Were they allowed to stay at the school? Were they allowed to chaperone the kids versus the kids joining the tours? If that is the case, how would the teachers know what kids were being chaperoned by their parents and which would be with the teachers. Seems like a pretty important detail while the school was opened to the public and had potentially hundreds of unaffiliated adults roaming the school.

Whatever...the flyer (if I recall correctly) did not mention the tours. If Kyron wanted to join the tour, why would Terri stay?
 
My middle daughter who is 33 developed ear infections when she was in her teens. She had them until a couple of months ago when she figured out how to cure them.

She puts hydrogen peroxide in them and I forget the rest of what she said.

She was not a happy camper with those ear aches and she is an adult who could do things right away for them.

Maybe I am overly sensitive about them because of my daughter, but an earache freaks me out because of her experiences.

Also, as a teacher, Terri would know that the prime age for language development is up to age 4.

If children suffer from intermittent ear problems, it impacts their ability to learn language and would impact reading, which she claims is her specialty.

Those are other reasons that her actions with a baby with an earache surprise me.

I would make darn sure that the baby wasn't having ear issues if I was a reading specialist.
 

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