Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared #2

[kappy50]

I respectfully but wholeheatedly disagree... NOT when you have an earache...

Laughter is the best medicine so I have heard...we don't know if baby girl had earache,ear infection, teething, sinus issues ( which by the way have been horrible here in my part of the country for months) or anything for that matter...

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

So many questions regarding little ones, babies & pet babies can be answered on the internet. I am sure TH knows that.

 

[human]

I know how painful they are, but I stand by what I said:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ear-infections/DS00303/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

http://ent.about.com/od/pediatricentdisorders/f/week_end_ear_infection_.htm

from the first article. I think acetaminophen is out as well, but how could Terri accomplish the other three while driving?

* Over-the-counter medications. If your child is uncomfortable, ask the doctor about using an over-the-counter pain reliever such as acetaminophen (Tylenol, others) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, others). Use the correct dose for your child's age and weight. Don't give aspirin to anyone younger than age 16, due to the risk of Reye's syndrome — a rare but serious condition. Giving over-the-counter cough or cold medications is also not recommended for children age 2 and younger.
* A warm compress. It also may help to place a warm, moist cloth over the affected ear.
* Distractions. When caring for your child, plan some low-key activities, such as reading books aloud or playing board games. And don't underestimate the benefits of some extra cuddling.
* Home monitoring. If your child has repeated middle ear infections, you might consider getting a monitor, such as EarCheck, to check if your child has fluid in his or her ears. To use these monitors, you place the probe of the monitor in your child's outer ear canal. The monitor will make several chirping sounds that will reflect off the membranes inside your child's ear. Based on the reading, you can figure out if the fluid level in your child's ears is cause for a visit to the doctor.

 

[human]

I know how painful they are, but I stand by what I said:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ear-infections/DS00303/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

http://ent.about.com/od/pediatricentdisorders/f/week_end_ear_infection_.htm

from the second article

Comforting Your Child With an Ear Infection During the Weekend

If your child is not too sick but you suspect an ear infection, sometimes it's best to wait out the weekend and get an appointment with your regular pediatrician on Monday. You can control a fever and pain with over-the-counter medications such as acetaminophen and ibuprofen. It also helps to keep your child propped up on pillows at night so that the auditory tube can drain. Lying down can cause pressure build up which can be painful. Distraction is often a good technique for pain control: play a game, put in a favorite movie or do something else that your child loves.

Above all, do not hesitate to call your doctor after hours. Doctors take calls to handle situations like weekend ear infections. You should be able to contact your doctor by calling their office number. There should always a way to contact your physician after hours. If you cannot get a hold of them be persistent and assertive. When in doubt always take your child to an after-hours clinic or the ER.

 

[human]

I know how painful they are, but I stand by what I said:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ear-infections/DS00303/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

http://ent.about.com/od/pediatricentdisorders/f/week_end_ear_infection_.htm

also from the second article

Where to Go When Your Child Develops an Ear Infection Over the Weekend

Your child's age is going to make a difference. While there are distinct symptoms of ear infections, they overlap with other illnesses and if you have an infant under the age of six months you may not be able to pinpoint the cause of their distress. It is also recommended that children in this age group be given antibiotics for an ear infection while in older children it may be acceptable to wait and see if the ear infection is able to resolve on its own. This makes it even more important to seek out advice from a qualified physician when the patient is under the age of 6 months. Here are suggestions for getting your child appropriate medical care when they develop an ear infection over the weekend:

1. Check with your doctor's office to see if they have an after-hours clinic. Many offices do this. If you are referred to the physician on-call, which is very likely, he or she may tell you what to do next. Follow your physician's advice above all but keep the following options in mind.

2. Try taking your child to an after-hours clinic. These are clinics that remain open nights and weekends but are less expensive than the emergency room and are designed for less serious illnesses such as a weekend ear infection. If you are unable to locate one of these clinics, and you have insurance, you can call the member services number on your insurance card and ask them to help you locate a clinic. A useful website for finding after-hours clinics and other medical services is UCompareHealthCare.

3. If your child does not have insurance, they are under the age of 6 months and/or have the symptoms listed below, take them to the emergency room. Legally your child cannot be turned away regardless of your ability to pay.

4. If you have insurance, as a last resort you can take your child to the emergency room if they develop an ear infection over the weekend, but first consider the risks versus benefits and the condition of your child.

Your child needs to be seen by a doctor immediately if:

* they have a high fever
* they are inconsolable or complaining of severe pain
* they are lethargic (you are unable to wake them up, they are slow to respond, abnormally sleepy or inactive)
* they are unable or unwilling to eat or drink
* you suspect dehydration (child is not urinating, has not had wet diapers, does not have tears, has dry or cracked lips)

 

[kappy50]

So many questions regarding little ones, babies & pet babies can be answered on the internet. I am sure TH knows that.

I know this is O/T..but what is "PET BABIES"...besides my husband, I have no idea....

 

[wondering1]

Now I'm confused...I thought she would have been at the school at 8:01 for the Science Fair...She left the school at 8:45...How long was she supposedly there?

Not long, apparently

 

[BeanE]

The Effects of Morning Naps, Car Trips, and Maternal Separation on Adrenocortical Activity in Human Infants

3 studies of adrenocortical activity in healthy 9-month-old infants were conducted to examine unanticipated results obtained in previous research.

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In the second study, riding for 40 min in the car was also shown to significantly lower salivary cortisol concentrations. This effect was obtained both for infants who did and who did not sleep during the car trip.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119341970/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

cortisol

- A steroid hormone released by the outer part (cortex) of the adrenal glands. Cortisol has a robust circadian rhythm under constant conditions and is also released in stressful situations. ...

- A vital hormone produced in the brain and more commonly known as the 'stress hormone', as it is involved in our response to stress.

- the body's chief stress fighting hormone produced by the adrenal gland (a glucocorticoid). Cortisol is high during periods of stress, and low when relaxing. A decrease in cortisol is associated with increase in serotonin and dopamine. ...

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[BringKyronHome]

I suspect IF she deemed it necesary to call the doctor that morning to tell him her daughter had an earache she would have been advised to bring the child in sometime that day..JMO

Every doc is different, but I know that my docs office would have asked a slew of questions, the first being is there a fever.

Then follow up with things like: is she teethign, is she eating, does the ear have a rotten smell, is she sleeping, etc. etc.

Bottom line is, lack of fever PLUS some other explainable thing, like teething, would result in...ride it out...if it gets worse call us, otherwise over the counter meds & home remedies.

 

[kappy50]

I'll say this and not say anything else in regards to the possibility baby girl had a earache or infection or anything else......my daughter was a first time mother at the age of 30...everytime my grandson passes gas or burps wrong...she calls the doctor...yet again, one more co-payment...sometimes common sense can overrule and be very effective....JMO...sorry to be kind sorta O/T...

 

[Leila]

Not sure if this observation belongs in this thread. It does not directly link to TH's movements, but it DOES link to major gaps in her story. We know she took Ky to school in the truck so she could pick up the Science Project. Sometime between about 8 am and 8:45, she becomes 'aware' the science fair goes until 10 am (even though that info was posted on the school's public readerboard). We know (from her later actions) she did not ask, that morning, when the project could be picked up. We know that about 1:20 she posted Ky's picture and exchanged emails with DY (Oregonian interview). At this time she STILL did not know when to pick up the project (DY: “She emailed me during that day to let me know she was going to find out when she could pick up the project so I could see it. So she obviously didn’t know when she was supposed to pick it up.”) And finally, we know that she didn't bother to return to the school to TRY to pick up the project ... even though she promised to show it to DY.

The more I think about it, there's serious flaws in the time line given and Terri's reason for using the truck that day. According to that time line, Terri left the school at about 8:45am, went to two grocery stores at some distance away until 10:10am, and then spent the next 89 minutes (nearly an hour and a half) driving aimlessly on rural roads in an effort to soothe her baby's fussiness due to an earache.

Since her reason for borrowing the truck that day was to bring the science fair project home, and since she wanted to drive baby K around in the truck to soothe her, wouldn't it have made sense to return to the school during those 89 minutes she spent driving aimlessly on rural roads, and pick up the science fair project? She could have called the school and asked someone in the office when the projects could be picked up.

But, if Terri had returned to the school to pick up the science fair project.............someone might ask about Kyron. His disappearance would have become known a lot earlier in the day.

I get the feeling that Terri purposely avoided going back to the school or even calling anyone there to ask when the projects could be picked up. She opted to wait until after 1:00pm and then sent an email, knowing it wouldn't be answered until later in the day. It almost seems like Terri was stalling for time.

 

[Emeralgem]

Every doc is different, but I know that my docs office would have asked a slew of questions, the first being is there a fever.

Then follow up with things like: is she teethign, is she eating, does the ear have a rotten smell, is she sleeping, etc. etc.

Bottom line is, lack of fever PLUS some other explainable thing, like teething, would result in...ride it out...if it gets worse call us, otherwise over the counter meds & home remedies.

BBM...Under those circumstances I would change doctors..JMO..

Woke up one morning my ear was clogged up and hurting...Called my physician and made an appointment... When he looked in my ear, he requested his office make me an appointment with an ENT specialist as soon as possible....The ENT specialist had to drain my ear and insert a tube..I lost 60% of my hearing in my left ear due to fluid...Never ran a fever...JMO..

In reference to myself, I don't plan to discuss the issue any further..IMHO....IF the child had an earache, wasn't feeling well, cranky, whatever TMH should have stayed home with the child that day or taken her in to see a doctor instead of running errands like she claims she did and driving around for an hour and a half with a child who was not feeling well, and then taking her to the gym so she could work out....
However as I have stated before I believe her alibi concerning the time frame of 10:10 am until 11:39 am is a CROCK...JMO

 

[Dee10]

We haven't heard about anything.

And Terri COULD have been on the phone that morning to the doc...we just don't know.

I didn't think about that, however if that were the case I am sure it would have been confirmed. It seems they are still looking at Terri, no? (and I mean that).

 

[Emeralgem]

the more i think about it, there's serious flaws in the time line given and terri's reason for using the truck that day. According to that time line, terri left the school at about 8:45am, went to two grocery stores at some distance away until 10:10am, and then spent the next 89 minutes (nearly an hour and a half) driving aimlessly on rural roads in an effort to soothe her baby's fussiness due to an earache.

Since her reason for borrowing the truck that day was to bring the science fair project home, and since she wanted to drive baby k around in the truck to soothe her, wouldn't it have made sense to return to the school during those 89 minutes she spent driving aimlessly on rural roads, and pick up the science fair project? She could have called the school and asked someone in the office when the projects could be picked up.

but, if terri had returned to the school to pick up the science fair project.............someone might ask about kyron. His disappearance would have become known a lot earlier in the day.
i get the feeling that terri purposely avoided going back to the school or even calling anyone there to ask when the projects could be picked up. She opted to wait until after 1:00pm and then sent an email, knowing it wouldn't be answered until later in the day. It almost seems like terri was stalling for time.

bbm...bingo

 

[Leila]

You're right of course. If TH is responsible, where was Kyron during this shopping time? It would be too dangerous to just leave him in the car - she couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be seen.

She could have given Kyron some sort of medication that would make him sleep, or even an overdose that would kill him. Maybe the purpose of all that driving around wasn't to soothe the baby........maybe it was waiting for the medication to work. I hate to even think of this..............

 

[nonfictionrocks]

I'll say this and not say anything else in regards to the possibility baby girl had a earache or infection or anything else......my daughter was a first time mother at the age of 30...everytime my grandson passes gas or burps wrong...she calls the doctor...yet again, one more co-payment...sometimes common sense can overrule and be very effective....JMO...sorry to be kind sorta O/T...

We get a lot of this in Canada, our emergency rooms are filled every night and day with people "suffering" from so-called "influenza" and "common cold, ear ache-infection" symptoms; goes with having a free medical care attitude - ER personnel complain constantly about this abuse.

 

[Emeralgem]

She could have given Kyron some sort of medication that would make him sleep, or even an overdose that would kill him. Maybe the purpose of all that driving around wasn't to soothe the baby........maybe it was waiting for the medication to work. I hate to even think of this..............

I understand, however I suspect whatever it is she did, it is not going to be pretty and we are all going to have a hard time accepting it.......JMO

 

[nonfictionrocks]

Since her reason for borrowing the truck that day was to bring the science fair project home, and since she wanted to drive baby K around in the truck to soothe her, wouldn't it have made sense to return to the school during those 89 minutes she spent driving aimlessly on rural roads, and pick up the science fair project? She could have called the school and asked someone in the office when the projects could be picked up.

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Again, her husband Kaine does not believe the exchange of the vehicles was in any way suspicious, why make an issue of this if her husband clearly does not? JMO

 

[human]

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Again, her husband Kaine does not believe the exchange of the vehicles was in any way suspicious, why make an issue of this if her husband clearly does not? JMO

He probably thought nothing of it that day. But now i think he is very suspicious of why. Especially since she did not bring the project to school that day nor did she pick it up that day.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

He probably thought nothing of it that day. But now i think he is very suspicious of why. Especially since she did not bring the project to school that day nor did she pick it up that day.

He said this recently but has he since changed his answer to this question about the vehicle exchange? Sorry if I missed this, it is extremely difficult keeping up with what Kyron's parents are saying. TIA