South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #4

[L2L]

L2L guess who would be their Instructor?
Mild mannered Botha, teaching them their 'round about moves'!!

:happydance:

Wouldn't it be lovely!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Hi Everyone :wave: Enjoy.... lots of mismatch pretty teacups today and cake!

lets see what the day brings.

 

[L2L]

Hi Everyone :wave: Enjoy.... lots of mismatch pretty teacups today and cake!

lets see what the day brings.

Oh! So beautifully served, Prime!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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The Van Breda trial resumes shortly with the Defence 2nd witness, Dr. Michael Du-Trevou, taking the stand today.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Neurosurgeon Dr Mick du Trevou is Henri VanBreda's second expert witness. He will testify in the WC High Court this morning.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

[video=youtube;u1vkVKxN57s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1vkVKxN57s[/video]


Please refresh page if live streaming has stopped, usually fixes it.

 

[L2L]

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Neurosurgeon Dr Mick du Trevou is Henri VanBreda's second expert witness. He will testify in the WC High Court this morning.

I've finished the sandwiches!

 

[LouP1209]

Morning all,

I noticed the reference to Prof Derman - wasn't he the witness to shot back at Nel WTTE "you don't have to be a genius" prompting the response from Nel "but you do need to be a psychologist" :laughing:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Adv Botha dives into the career of the witness in the stand, referencing his CV


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A report handed up, Adv Galloway says she has no objection, but says it's hearsay evidence bec based on Dr Perumal, Henri van breda account


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Findings based in part on Henri Van Breda's version of events (not before court). Judge Desai says it's hearsay evidence until he testifies.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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du Trevou says he has no formal training in medicine, but has involvement in brain dissections. Currently works as senior lecturer


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Adv Botha goes through Dr Trevou CV. He is semi retired, does little surgery but is a senior lecturer


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Adv Botha working through Dr du Trevou's CV. He is semi-retired, currently, performs very little surgery. Now a senior lecturer.


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Quite a contrast between Olckers & du Trevou. The Durban doc is a first language English speaker, he speaks clearly; forcefully.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Dr du Trevou's report deals with Rudi's VanBreda's post-mortem as well as Henri's version of what happened the day of the murders.

Rudi found on floor 1m from where he was attacked on bed. He says Rudi #VanBreda's cerebral injuries wouldn't have caused immediate death.

Won't speculate how long took Rudi #VanBreda to die. Could gurgle up until he died. Possible he was capable of movement after attack.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Dr Trevou: agrees with Dr Perumal report, that Rudi was capable of movement. Could have made gurgling sounds and some Ltd movement

Dr Trevou: cannot say how long he would have been alive for after sustaining injuries


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Doctor won't prognosticate on how long Rudi may have survived after being bludgeoned. I find that a bit odd.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Hmmm, Botha is reading from HvB's second statement? I thought they had to stick with his first, where there was only one intruder and no mention of Rudi being alive and gurgling.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Henri is keeping his head down with eyes closed as Botha refers to the witness his plea statement


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Dr Trevou: doubts gurgling sound was spech, possible blood or saliva in his throat

du Trevou describing retrograde amnesia and how loss of memory could be permanent.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Henri #VanBreda's plea explanation discussed. Dr du Trevou says not possible to determine if lost consciousness or recollection of incident.


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Defense seems to be implying Henri was suffering some kind of brain trauma as well. Oh he had retrograde amnesia too?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Du Trevou says if person fully conscious, won't expect abnormality on MRI scan.


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Dr Trevou: not possible to say if accused lose consciousness or if he simply loss recall of events

Dr Trevou: if the patient or person is conscious 4 hours later, you wouldn't expect to see damage to brain in scans

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Galloway cross examining Dr Trevou

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Passing out for the period Henri #VanBreda described is consistent with mild head injury, Du Trevou says.

Adv Galloway cross-examines. Is neurosurgeon right person to testify? Not neurologist? He is the right person, Du Trevou says.


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Galloway: a neurosurgeon is a person who specialises in brain surgery. You're not a neurologist. Quite #VanBreda. Desai weighs in.

I was approached to answer 4 questions. One is: "Could amnesia have caused accused symptoms?" Intwisting.


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Adv Galloway: is a neurosurgeon the correct person to consider loss of consciousness

Dr Trevou: (my mandate) I was approached with four questions by defence

Dr Trevou: on Rudi's movement capability, loss of consciousness symptoms, MRI scans

Dr Trevou says he sometimes works for Dr Perumal

Dr Trevou has not seen evidence of state nor has he examined the accused

Adv Galloway: so you were asked comment blindly on memory loss? Dr Trevou: Yes

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Did you examine Henri on January 27th? "No, not at all." So you were asked to comment blindly. "Yes, that's correct."

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Judge Desai asked Dr T if it's possible HvB was unconscious for 2 h 40 min, he says he can't comment!!!

His testimony seems to be only about Rudi possibly alive for awhile and might have been able to move but he can't say positively.