State v Bradley Cooper 4-5-2011

[SleuthinNC]

I was assuming VoIP since that was his job. I was giving the benefit of the doubt that they would need to test the capabilities across the Atlantic in order to be able to sell it to companies that have overseas offices.

It is an IP network doesn't matter if you test 2 phones sitting side by side or across the ocean. As long as the IP network works the test is the same.

 

[SleuthinNC]

You don't think they have a department to deal with wiping computers? Obviously they do since he did a "chat" with an expert to ask for software for this purpose. The Cisco employee must have felt it was out of the norm in order to make an issue of it. MOO

Two separate issues. There is an IT group in charge of wiping systems like employee laptops. Brad was in an engineering group working with their own lab. The engineering group is responsible for loading operating systems and software onto their own servers.

 

[sunshine05]

Two quick questions: Can we put a board "pool" together on odds for closing statements? Or is that a TOS violation?

So, I am betting that the words "foundation of a murder" come up on the Prosecutions closing statement.

I also want to see if BC is going to get on the stand. THAT intrigues me. He'd have to be a complete IDIOT to do it.....but me spidey sense is tingling.

I hadn't even thought about him taking the stand! Interesting to think about. The State would rip holes in some of his lies from his deposition, but having his lawyers interview him could be good for the jury to hear.

 

[Cheyenne130]

It is an IP network doesn't matter if you test 2 phones sitting side by side or across the ocean. As long as the IP network works the test is the same.

You know that and I know that. If you are selling the system, would a corporation with offices in France understand that? It might be a good idea to give a demonstration. Sorry. I honestly think he's guilty and was giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one but if you insist that this was totally unneccessary, I guess that's one more indication of his duplicity.

 

[borndem]

he probably did not keep that chat..but could be found on the server

I dunno....he's in data security and the call from Brad was very unusual. His antenna probably lit up. I would have kept it...especially coming from a high-level associate.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Two separate issues. There is an IT group in charge of wiping systems like employee laptops. Brad was in an engineering group working with their own lab. The engineering group is responsible for loading operating systems and software onto their own servers.

I can't argue this because it's not worthy. I was the sole tech department for a school system. We didn't have departments and specialists to deal with everything. Cisco is not a school system and WOULD have multiple departments. Within a group I would be shocked if Cisco did not have some tech assigned to wipe hard drives for these engineers if it was needed. Doesn't compute.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I dunno....he's in data security and the call from Brad was very unusual. His antenna probably lit up. I would have kept it...especially coming from a high-level associate.

It didn't raise any flags at the time. He looked up the history after the request that came to him in July. He was still able to bring the chat back up. That's the way I heard the testimony.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I can't argue this because it's not worthy. I was the sole tech department for a school system. We didn't have departments and specialists to deal with everything. Cisco is not a school system and WOULD have multiple departments. Within a group I would be shocked if Cisco did not have some tech assigned to wipe hard drives for these engineers if it was needed. Doesn't compute.

It is pretty standard practice. Engineers, especially test engineers at Cisco are responsible for their own equipment. An engineer would not want to wait to find somebody to wipe a drive every time they wanted to install or re-install an OS. That is a huge waste of time.

 

[Just the Fax]

Why leave the diamond earrings, yet remove and secure the diamond necklace:waitasec:

His hands were obviously all over that necklace when he choked the life out of her. Assuming he didn't break the chain, betcha he thought of the possibility of touch DNA (skin cells/oil from his hands) left on that chain....I know I would not take a chance these days.

 

[grommet]

I dunno....he's in data security and the call from Brad was very unusual. His antenna probably lit up. I would have kept it...especially coming from a high-level associate.

From what I saw in today's testimony - that chat transcript looks like it was generated from an open source instant messaging client called "Pidgin". Pidgin logs all of the chat transcripts to a local folder on the user's PC. I'd bet money that's where cfry pulled it up from...a local folder on his own PC.

I really, *really* doubt cfry's antenna went up with such a request, especially in an engineering company like Cisco where disk wipes routinely occur as a matter of doing business. The question remains - why was BC requesting to wipe a computer hard drive? There was *nothing* in today's testimony that pointed to a nefarious reason. Sure it's suspicious, but it's no where near a smoking gun. Sorry folks.

 

[Cheyenne130]

It is pretty standard practice. Engineers, especially test engineers at Cisco are responsible for their own equipment. An engineer would not want to wait to find somebody to wipe a drive every time they wanted to install or re-install an OS. That is a huge waste of time.

Going by your scenario, why would he need to seek out this program in 2008 when he had been employed there since 2000? He would have access to that program and technology if that were a regular part of his duties.

 

[SleuthSayer]

I dunno....he's in data security and the call from Brad was very unusual. His antenna probably lit up. I would have kept it...especially coming from a high-level associate.

If nothing else, today's testimony should have dispelled the notion that so many people had that Brad was a "high-level" associate. He did testing and support of VoIP products inside Cisco.

This is referred to as "Alpha Testing" as in the Greek Letter "Alpha". I.e., this means "first testing" that is done on Cisco's network before the product is placed in a customer network. Hence the term "Alpha network".

A couple of weeks ago I said that he was somewhere between a tester and an IT guy and people blasted me for underselling his prestigious position, but that is exactly what he was.

 

[CrimeAddict]

I am finally all caught up with message board and testimony for the most part today. I think everything has painted an even more bad picture for Mr BC.
A couple comments:

He was not very smart having that conversation with the security guy who obviously did not have his back. Busted.. asking questions about wiping the hard drive.. My husband and his co workers said that's not a problem to do on your own without asking around and also to spoof a call is nothing to any of these guys and they don't work with phones either, just smart IT guys.

The doctor friend was a very good witness, she was very sincere and seemed very honest. I think the jury must have really listened to her, I listened to her entire testimony and she wasn't like the other friends in that she didn't seem gossipy, etc. She was more like he did this, she said this, sha-bam.

I really hope the jury is taking good notes.

I have enjoyed everyone's posts today.. thank you for the discussion.. I don't know what I would do with my obsession with these cases if it wasn't for all of you hashing this out.

 

[borndem]

Let me put it this way: Cisco uses the same software my company uses on employee laptops. The level of security is serious. We're talking 'paranoid' level of security. Multiple pieces of software to detect if someone accesses the computer or the network, multiple layers to protect data. A random person could not get into a Cisco laptop easily. NO WAY. They would have to have ALL the credentials to do so. And then, to get on a Cisco network, they'd need another set of permissions/passwords AND a physical RSA keyfob that displays a special code that changes every 60 seconds. That code becomes part of a password to log onto the network. It literally is never the same twice. That code changes EVERY 60 seconds.

Ditto where I worked. RSA keyfob & all. There are 'way too many layers of security, encryption, etc., etc, wrapped around those systems. Think Fort Knox, and that's where you start.

 

[grommet]

Going by your scenario, why would he need to seek out this program in 2008 when he had been employed there since 2000? He would have access to that program and technology if that were a regular part of his duties.

Excellent point! Such a request would be made only if he was performing the duty for the first time. Still - it's doesn't indicate why or for what purpose.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I am finally all caught up with message board and testimony for the most part today. I think everything has painted an even more bad picture for Mr BC.
A couple comments:

He was not very smart having that conversation with the security guy who obviously did not have his back. Busted.. asking questions about wiping the hard drive.. My husband and his co workers said that's not a problem to do on your own without asking around and also to spoof a call is nothing to any of these guys and they don't work with phones either, just smart IT guys.

The doctor friend was a very good witness, she was very sincere and seemed very honest. I think the jury must have really listened to her, I listened to her entire testimony and she wasn't like the other friends in that she didn't seem gossipy, etc. She was more like he did this, she said this, sha-bam.

I really hope the jury is taking good notes.

I have enjoyed everyone's posts today.. thank you for the discussion.. I don't know what I would do with my obsession with these cases if it wasn't for all of you hashing this out.

I agree that she was VERY powerful! It may be circumstantial, but the sports bra rolled under in the back like it does when you put it on is a very powerful visual image. It's not as if Nancy put it on herself that way and ran with it rolled under.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Going by your scenario, why would he need to seek out this program in 2008 when he had been employed there since 2000? He would have access to that program and technology if that were a regular part of his duties.

That wasn't my scenario at all I was just clarifying information. I stated my scenario which was recycling.

 

[Cheyenne130]

That wasn't my scenario at all I was just clarifying information. I stated my scenario which was recycling.

You stated that in his position he would need to wipe a drive in order to install or re-install a system. I'm just curious as to why this suddenly came up in 2008 if that was a regular occurence in his duties. If it was simply recycling, turn it over to the tech guys who do that for the company.

 

[SleuthinNC]

You stated that in his position he would need to wipe a drive in order to install or re-install a system. I'm just curious as to why this suddenly came up in 2008 if that was a regular occurence in his duties. If it was simply recycling, turn it over to the tech guys who do that for the company.

I said it was not unreasonable. I further stated I believe he used the info to wipe the drive on his PC to donate for Earth Day. The tech guys don't wipe PCs for recycling.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Okay this got nuked before so I am reposting. This picture is from BRAD'S REBUTTAL AFFIDAVIT, which is in the legal docs section on this site already (look in the stickies section). This is what I think Lib Mom was talking about.

Here's Brad in shorts & Tshirt on FEBRUARY 15, 2008

Temps: high 61; low 33.

Contrast that with July 12, 2008 temps of high 89; low 68, when Brad was wearing jeans, shirt, pullover Zip.