Sunday, 6/9/2013 Radio Show

[Bayou Mistress]

You might be right about him not being a good poly candidate. It happens. But he COULD have passed his name, address, DOB, then showed deceptive on the next one, two, x number of questions that might have been involving Dylan.

I have to say, what if, instead of answering with a direct answer on a poly, Mark used his usual word salad. I don't know how anyone could get an accurate reading off of that.

As an example, the following not supposed to be derogatory, it is just how I hear Mark when he talks:

"Did you have anything to do with Dylan's disappearance?"
"Well, you know, I didn't see him when I came home from Durango, and, you know, he wasn't where I left him on the couch, so I thought he'd gone outside for a while. I didn't think anything of it at the time, so I laid down for a bit, you know, because I do that when I have the opportunity..."

How could you get any kind of reading if the answer was like that? In that case, "failed miserably" would make sense.

If a polygraph administrator asked an open ended question that allowed a long response, I'd say that was a poor examiner.

 

[JustJeannie]

Who sas he failed the questions about his name and DOB? I don't think you can fail those. Imo, They are the 'baseline' questions, which the others are compared to.

And of course he was nervous and upset, who wouldn't be? But a good examiner can take that into account as they assess the baseline vs the 'sensitive' questions.

As I understand it, and I did take a polygraph test for a job once, the baseline questions are asked to take into account your anxiety at the time. That's why they ask them. To see what the reading is when they ask you a question they know you are going to answer truthfully, like, "Is your real name John Edward Doe?" Then they have a reading to "base" your other answers off of. So if you are nervous just because you are taking the test, it won't affect anything because your general nerves are showing in your response to your baseline questions.

So you can't fail your baseline questions, because your passing or failure is based off of your responses to those questions. Or at least that is how it was explained to me.

JMO, as always.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Are you saying she was being dishonest? Maybe she was planning it WITH the help of LE.

Does EH actually plan stuff? I thought she had a support crew that did that? And then she shows up. This search coming up appears to be law enforcement's search. Entirely.

 

[katydid23]

Those results would be interesting to see, for sure. He thought he failed those questions, and well, I am curious to know if he did. Even a good polygrapher will get to the point where they decide it's impossible to test a person, which is why they have those preliminaries to determine if a person is a good candidate to take a poly. I could see LE telling him a prelim is the actual poly and that he failed it to try to rattle him. If LE hasn't asked him to take another poly that would explain why too, that he didn't pass the "candidacy test." I recall in the NG interview ER said she took a poly to see if she was a good candidate, it really does make me wonder since LE hasn't issued any releases addressing the polys, if they only issued the prelim polys, and the only info about them are coming from the parents, so if they told them they took a poly they would believe it right?



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

BBM

I don't think THOSE are the questions he was worried about. Who worries about the baseline questions?

I think that they gave him more than just the candidacy questions. Unlike ER, Mark was the last to see D and was in the immediate area when he went missing, and he was on the losing end of the custody battle. I am sure they had much more suspicion concerning him than they did with her at the time. JMO

 

[Emma Ems]

Are you saying she was being dishonest? Maybe she was planning it WITH the help of LE.

No I am thinking along the lines of it was either misinterpretation on my part or maybe she misunderstood Tricia's question. I am not sure which, I would have to go back and listen for sure. I thought Tricia asked if she(ER) had any plans for a search, but it could be that Tricia asked if she knew if there were any plans for a search. I think we got into a discussion about plans for a search ER and (I don't know what to appropriately call the people helping her with all the searches) her helpers had planned. If you recall one of my questions is how is a search being planned for, "in two weeks" but not having details on it, or knowing when it will be? I just wanted to share that I think I figured out all my questions for the most part.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO - that would mean that the discussions regarding the battery being dead or the phone suddenly stopping to work are all moot points now.

The fact is, if he did fail on those simple questions tells me the anxiety he had at the time. It could be a number of things that do not necessarily point to lying at all. How can you lie about your name? Your address? Or your DOB. I mean you can, but it would be obvious if he was, you know? I think it's safe to say that he is probably not a good poly candidate, IMO, if he failed those questions.

It could be just that the man is lying!
JMO

 

[katydid23]

Does EH actually plan stuff? I thought she had a support crew that did that? And then she shows up. This search coming up appears to be law enforcement's search. Entirely.

I am sure that her every waking moment is concerned with planning to find her missing son. EVERY single moment. JMO

 

[Chili Fries]

One thing that seemed extremely obvious to me when listening to Tricia's new interview is that <modsnip> - there were a LOT of slurred words. I say this not to bash Mark, but because I think it's important to keep in mind when trying to micro-analyze what he said. I definitely think <modsnip> the excessive, even for him, circular reasoning and conflicting statements he made in last night's interview.

I don't know if alcohol figures if Dylan's disappearance but it does seem that Mark has a real issue with it and, if Mark is innocent, it likely factors into his seeming inability to do much of anything to help the search for Dylan.

 

[Emma Ems]

Imo, he seems very very comfortable when being interviewed. He is very laid back and calm and gives very long, detailed answers, and often smiles and even makes a few funny comments. He never appears anxious imo.

A xanax could do that for you(not saying he is taking one at the time but to consider that he could to calm his nerves) but I don't think you can take something like that before a poly.

 

[Emma Ems]

One thing that seemed extremely obvious to me when listening to Tricia's new interview is that <modsnip>- there were a LOT of slurred words. I say this not to bash Mark, but because I think it's important to keep in mind when trying to micro-analyze what he said. I definitely think <modsnip> caused the excessive, even for him, circular reasoning and conflicting statements he made in last night's interview.

I don't know if alcohol figures if Dylan's disappearance but it does seem that Mark has a real issue with it and, if Mark is innocent, it likely factors into his seeming inability to do much of anything to help the search for Dylan.

I don't think you are suppose to drink before or during a poly either. Funny you mentioned that because I was thinking he could do something before an interview to calm his nerves to do it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

If a polygraph administrator asked an open ended question that allowed a long response, I'd say that was a poor examiner.

The question I posted was a yes or no answer, not open ended. And the examiner could have stopped him when there was a long response, but that wouldn't have stopped the original long response.

 

[sorrell skye]

Wouldn't we all LOVE to know the questions? <modsnip> I highly doubt it was on his name/address kind of thing.

Of course he didn't fail on his name, address, DOB, etc. Those are all what are referred to as 'control questions'. No one fails those questions. Those questions are asked to establish the baseline.

MR, IMO, is trying to discredit the polygraph, as well as the polygraph examiner, so that he can justify to himself (and anyone else) why he allegedly failed the polygraph.

I also doubt that he was only asked 5 questions. Good grief - the control questions alone could take up to 5 questions. He's full of it, IMO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

The question I posted was a yes or no answer, not open ended. And the examiner could have stopped him when there was a long response, but that wouldn't have stopped the original long response.

The examiner would have failed to explain how the test works. Like I said, a poor examiner.

 

[Ghostwheel]

The examiner would have failed to explain how the test works. Like I said, a poor examiner.

Pretty big assumption on your part. The operator can explain the rules, but it doesn't mean anyone has to follow the rules.

 

[katydid23]

The examiner would have failed to explain how the test works. Like I said, a poor examiner.

Who says it was a poor examiner? Oh yea wait...Mark says so. Funny thing though, LE already came out and said the examiner was quite well respected and experienced.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Does EH actually plan stuff? I thought she had a support crew that did that? And then she shows up. This search coming up appears to be law enforcement's search. Entirely.

And this is based on what information, particularly since LE isn't talking? The notion that EH does not have a hand in planning searches is offensive but worse is speaking for LE when LE has not said a word about an upcoming search.

 

[ColdHands]

Is there a verified professional for polygraphs on WS? I dug around a bit looking to see if there was an FAQ posted anywhere on the site but couldn't find one.

 

[Emma Ems]

That is incorrect, if he was nervous about answering questions such as name, address, DOB, it would have given the examiner their baseline. Typically a person is asked questions where both the examiner & person being tested know the answers to be true.
i.e. Is your name Mark Redwine? Do you live in Vallecito Colorado? etc.
Then they will ask you questions where you both know the truth, but the examiner tells you to lie.
i.e. Were you born in January (when the truth is August) and the person being examined will answer "yes".
The examiner then has your baseline, how your body is reacting to the truth and a lie.

Once that has been established, the questioning begins. They also take other factors into consideration, they would have IMO taken into consideration that MR would be nervous as any parent of a missing child would be.

Then what is the point of a preliminary poly to determine if a person can be tested? It's to determine if the person issuing the exam can determine the person's baseline. If there was equal reaction during a prelim test for questions that were truthful as well as the questions the person was instructed to lie on, then a baseline can not be established at all, thus making the person a bad candidate to take a poly, as the results would probably be unreadable. As I said, I could see LE telling him he is taking a poly, they go through the prelim questions, determine he isn't a good candidate, yet telling him he failed the test, even though technically he wasn't given the actual test to begin with.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Pretty big assumption on your part. The operator can explain the rules, but it doesn't mean anyone has to follow the rules.

I met your assumptive response with an assumption. In other words, you put an assumed response, contrary to instruction, to MR. If the students don't learn the material, the problem might be the teacher. Just sayin.

We might be better off assuming the polygrapher was skilled and the examinee understood and followed the rules. We should also take into account that being told "you failed miserably" is the the equivalent of actually failing miserably.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I met your assumptive response with an assumption. In other words, you put an assumed response, contrary to instruction, to MR. If the students don't learn the material, the problem might be the teacher. Just sayin.

We might be better off assuming the polygrapher was skilled and the examinee understood and followed the rules. We should also take into account that being told "you failed miserably" is the the equivalent of actually failing miserably.

Mine was not an assumed response. My post had to do with conjecture that Mark, being nervous, might have kept talking when he was supposed to answer yes or no. I was just trying to give Mark the benefit of the doubt. If you don't want to do the same, your prerogative.