Suspect #1: Dellen Millard *Charged* 1st Deg Murder 15 May 2013 #2

[Curiositykitten]

Yes, the police press release said there is a boxed tattoo.

It does not say that test drive one witness provided a description of a boxed tattoo.

 

[Blomquist]

Yes, the police press release said there is a boxed tattoo.

It does not say that test drive one witness provided a description of a boxed tattoo.

http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-cellphone-found-police-release-new-details-on-suspects-1.1275631

The witness was able to give police a more detailed description of one of the suspects. He said the man had several tattoos, one of which said “Ambition” on his wrist where one would normally wear a watch. The tattoo is said to have some kind of box frame around it.

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-ce...w-details-on-suspects-1.1275631#ixzz2YsWzG7jC

There you go...

 

[Curiositykitten]

http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-cellphone-found-police-release-new-details-on-suspects-1.1275631

The witness was able to give police a more detailed description of one of the suspects. He said the man had several tattoos, one of which said “Ambition” on his wrist where one would normally wear a watch. The tattoo is said to have some kind of box frame around it.

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/bosma-s-ce...w-details-on-suspects-1.1275631#ixzz2YsWzG7jC

There you go...

Sorry folks, but I'm going to split hairs here. Look at the quote above carefully. That the tattoo said ambition is attributed to the witness. That there was a box around the tattoo is an unattributed quote.

Granted, this could just be bad writing. Or it could be significant.

Checking out for the night, folks.:seeya:

 

[Blomquist]

Sorry folks, but I'm going to split hairs here. Look at the quote above carefully. That the tattoo said ambition is attributed to the witness. That there was a box around the tattoo is an unattributed quote.

Granted, this could just be bad writing. Or it could be significant.

Checking out for the night, folks.:seeya:

They are talking about the alleged witness who is the only one at this point to have described the tattoo.... self explanatory IMO

 

[bessie]

The Leafs game was on the Weds night so I believe that the trailer would have been dropped off at around midnight. JMO Some articles (I posted a few above,) simply say FC called the police...another says he waited a couple of days ...then another says Sunday.... thats MSM for you.... but as in my above post I find it interesting that FC says he could not see the plate as the lights were too bright....but if he called on Sunday because he had only just learned of the arrest as some say.... then why was he looking for a plate on Weds/Thurs night ?

Also, he says DM was with MB when she moved in , but that he hasn;t seen DM for a decade. This is very strange because it would seem that MB and WM were together in 2006 (as per CM obit) . So surely MB and WM lived in the house on Maple (where DM was living when arrested) or BOTH WM and MB lived in Kleinburg. BUT FC makes no mention of WM living at Kleinburg. So I would guess that MB has not even lived in Kleinberg for a decade. So how on earth did FC see DM a decade ago.... and see his alleged multi coloured hair dos if they didnt move there until after 2006 ? (which was only 6-7 years ago) JMO MOO

Where are these statements attributed to FC? Links, please

 

[Blomquist]

Where are these statements attributed to FC? Links, please

I posted them in an earlier post...will find again


http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/13/hamilton-bosma-mystery.html

 

[Blomquist]

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/13/hamilton-bosma-mystery.html

''
Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate. They also noted they hadn't seen Millard's mother all week. ''

There it is Bessie

If you look at the other links you will see that the neighbours were FC AC RF and BD. Would you like me to put 'neighbours' instead of FC so that it covers all of them ? It says neighbours and in the other links there were four of them I believe.

 

[bessie]

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/13/hamilton-bosma-mystery.html

''
Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate. They also noted they hadn't seen Millard's mother all week. ''

There it is Bessie

Yes, "neighbours", Blomquist. The statement doesn't specify FC, and we know at least one other neighbour reported seeing the trailer.

Just trying to keep that ole muddy water at bay.

Added after my reply

If you look at the other links you will see that the neighbours were FC AC RF and BD. Would you like me to put 'neighbours' instead of FC so that it covers all of them ? It says neighbours and in the other links there were four of them I believe.

Yes.

 

[lanman]

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/13/hamilton-bosma-mystery.html

''
Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate. They also noted they hadn't seen Millard's mother all week. ''

There it is Bessie

If you look at the other links you will see that the neighbours were FC AC RF and BD. Would you like me to put 'neighbours' instead of FC so that it covers all of them ? It says neighbours and in the other links there were four of them I believe.

One thing I've learned from this case is don't believe what reporters report unless what they write is an exact quote.

Possible scenario:

Reporter to neighbour: Did you see what kind of truck it was or get the licence plate?

Neighbour: No, the lights on the truck were really bright.

Reported story: "Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate."

 

[Blomquist]

One thing I've learned from this case is don't believe what reporters report unless what they write is an exact quote.

Possible scenario:

Reporter to neighbour: Did you see what kind of truck it was or get the licence plate?

Neighbour: No, the lights on the truck were really bright.

Reported story: "Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate."

Believe what you want to believe as it were... I guess if its ok to believe all the MSM reports about DM then I don't feel so bad believing that something is amiss in a neighbours, an ex boyfriends or a disgruntled employees MSM report JMO ;-)

 

[Alethea Dice]

Sorry folks, but I'm going to split hairs here. Look at the quote above carefully. That the tattoo said ambition is attributed to the witness. That there was a box around the tattoo is an unattributed quote.

Granted, this could just be bad writing. Or it could be significant.

Checking out for the night, folks.:seeya:

I think if you read Cansleuther's other links, they more clearly indicate that the entire tattoo description came from the business owner who went on the first test drive.

JMO

Kavanagh said the Toronto man described the orange shirt as being short-sleeved and noticed several tattoos on the suspect’s arms. The most distinctive was one on one of his wrists where a person wears a watch. It read “Ambition” and was framed by a box in the same direction as a watch.

http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/bosma-suspects-ambition-tattoo-unique-police/

 

[Blomquist]

I think if you read Cansleuther's other links, they more clearly indicate that the entire tattoo description came from the business owner who went on the first test drive.

JMO



http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/bosma-suspects-ambition-tattoo-unique-police/

Thanks for tidying up a few split ends Alethea ;-)

 

[Carli]

"Google scrubbing"???

All of the original articles still pop up in a simple google search: tim bosma + trailer.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tim+bosma+trailer

After midnight on Thursday, would be Thursday, as in 12:01 A.M., 12:02 A.M., 12:03 A.M., and so forth and so on.

"Brightly colored hair" has been taken out of context. In its original context, it referred to hairstyles of a much younger DM, and not the "mohawk" DM sported later.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

I was specifically referring to neighbor FC's decision to inform the police of his suspicions on Sunday morning. There are now numerous variations on the theme but few that still specify Sunday.

I apologize if I took the "brightly coloured hair" reference out of context. Is there some understanding that DM dyed his hair when he was a boy? I hadn't run across this information, for which I also apologize.

 

[Blomquist]

Yes, "neighbours", Blomquist. The statement doesn't specify FC, and we know at least one other neighbour reported seeing the trailer.

Just trying to keep that ole muddy water at bay.

Added after my reply

Yes.

Done...let me know if I have missed anything... ok

 

[Carli]

Further re Cansleuther's links, specifically the Flamborough Review article quotoing LE Kavanaugh:

http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/bosma-suspects-ambition-tattoo-unique-police/

"The most distinctive was one on one of his wrists where a person wears a watch. It read “Ambition” and was framed by a box in the same direction as a watch."

To the extent that some photos appear to show a rather indicipherable UNFRAMED tattoo on BOTH arms located considerably above wrist watch position, this information is baffling, imo. Does anybody know how many framed "Ambition" tattoos DM actually has?

 

[Juballee]

IMO, there has to be more people who had recently seen the tattoo. Hopefully we'll get eye witness reports on whether or not it was in a box. Also, perhaps the box was a temporary tattoo...something drawn on for special events...or to throw off LE if they ever came looking for DM on any matter since it was reported that the "ambition" part of the tattoo was quite popular.

I think if he wanted to alter his tattoo temporarily to throw off the police, he could have just covered it up completely with marker or a Band-aid. In my opinion it still doesn't change the fact that the press releases on the tattoo description changed drastically AFTER the suspect was caught.

 

[Carli]

"Google scrubbing"???

All of the original articles still pop up in a simple google search: tim bosma + trailer.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tim+bosma+trailer

After midnight on Thursday, would be Thursday, as in 12:01 A.M., 12:02 A.M., 12:03 A.M., and so forth and so on.

"Brightly colored hair" has been taken out of context. In its original context, it referred to hairstyles of a much younger DM, and not the "mohawk" DM sported later.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

Also, FYI, and not meaning to put too fine a point on it, but 1 second after midnight = 1 second "ante meridian" AKA, ergo "AM". Therefore, 1 second after midnight is the first second of the morning of the following day. That's why we have 24 hour clocks. MOO. http://www.say-it-in-english.com/TellingTime.html

"From one second after midnight (on Thursday) (12:00:59) until and including twelve o'clock noon is considered to be (Friday) morning and is shown by adding A.M. (ante meridiem) to a time."

Basically, a new day starts at midnight. Are we hooked on semantics again? Perhaps it was quite correct to say the vehicle's delivery sometime Wednesday night was noticed a few hours later (after midnight) on Thursday morning.

 

[Juballee]

There is no report anywhere that the witness at test drive #1 saw a boxed ambition tattoo. I challenge you to cite such a report.

You have used something that never happened to accuse a witness of lying, confusion and/or fraudulent behaviour.

It seems that, according to this OC conspiracy theory, everyone but DM is a lying pawn.

If no one can find the original articles that stated that the ambition tattoo is in a box according to the first test drive witness, there is no hope for justice in this case in my fearful opinion. I clearly remember reading that statement from the first test drive witness several times in the beginning, and unless this is George Orwell's 1984 and I may be charged with thoughtcrimes soon, then someone in the media is changing the 'facts' to match the accusations, it seems to me. Doesn't this frighten anyone else?

 

[Carli]

If no one can find the original articles that stated that the ambition tattoo is in a box according to the first test drive witness, there is no hope for justice in this case in my fearful opinion. I clearly remember reading that statement from the first test drive witness several times in the beginning, and unless this is George Orwell's 1984 and I may be charged with thoughtcrimes soon, then someone in the media is changing the 'facts' to match the accusations, it seems to me. Doesn't this frighten anyone else?

It's in the cited May 10 Flamborough Review article, Juballee.

http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/bosma-suspects-ambition-tattoo-unique-police/

Also

http://www.cp24.com/news/search-for-bosma-continues-despite-arrest-police-say-1.1277199

 

[Juballee]

It's in the cited May 10 Flamborough Review article, Juballee.

http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/bosma-suspects-ambition-tattoo-unique-police/

Also

http://www.cp24.com/news/search-for-bosma-continues-despite-arrest-police-say-1.1277199

Phew! Thank you Carli and everyone who found the links! The way the challenge was presented so adamantly made me assume that it had been thoroughly searched for but 'Google Scrubbed' as I believe you so elegantly put it.