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human said:
It sounds to me like those pics the detective saw of the boys were not pornographic
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Most of the six pictures found were school-type pictures. One was of a boy coming out of the shower with a towel wrapped around him, and another was of a boy in underwear. Possibly not pornographic, but awfully weird for a man to have of children that are not his own, or too big to be photographed like that (most parents probably have pics of their babies or toddlers wrapped up in towels, but after a certain age it isn't likely unless something odd is going on, imo).

Apparently he felt that they were borderline inappropriate, because he later burned them. I agree, though, it wouldn't have been enough to arrest him for child *advertiser censored* at that point.

What else has he burned over the years? I wonder how far back the "trophies" they found in 2015 date? Have any of those items been connected to JNS or the other Paynesville attacks from the mid-80's? That several bins of boys clothes were found is all I've read/heard (that I remember off the top of my head), which isn't much to go on.

I looked through some old news articles from when the boys in the pictures were in school. At least 3 of the boys were on the school wrestling team in high school. From what I can tell they are all still living. I wonder if LE has talked to any of them to see if DJH was acting strangely or said anything before or after their house was burned down. Did they suspect him of the burglaries?

Just throwing out some random thoughts.
 
I read that new information was recently released that, I believe, Aaron Larson, was groped in the groin area before being told to run and not look back.
Does anyone know if his pants were kept as evidence? If Heinrich's DNA is on those pants, it would prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was Jacob's kidnapper.
I am hoping LE has those pants, just as they had Jared's sweatshirt.
 
Red Viewfinder said:
I read that new information was recently released that, I believe, Aaron Larson, was groped in the groin area before being told to run and not look back.
Does anyone know if his pants were kept as evidence? If Heinrich's DNA is on those pants, it would prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was Jacob's kidnapper.
I am hoping LE has those pants, just as they had Jared's sweatshirt.
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One would hope so, but I'm not sure in all the confusion of that night that LE was really considering AL to be a victim, and may have overlooked that. Maybe they have them, but there's not enough DNA on them to trace? I would like to know also.
 
Simplemama said:
I looked through some old news articles from when the boys in the pictures were in school. At least 3 of the boys were on the school wrestling team in high school. From what I can tell they are all still living. I wonder if LE has talked to any of them to see if DJH was acting strangely or said anything before or after their house was burned down. Did they suspect him of the burglaries?
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I can't edit that previous post, but just wanted to clarify: I am referring to the boys of the family whose pictures DJH had in 1990 and then burned. And wondering if DJH acted suspiciously before or after their aunt's home was burned (not theirs).
 
YES! Agree with this post also.
What I meant was if I read it correctly, SAS had mentioned taking out the whole house. I took it as his post meant " was it worth taking out the entire house?"
One thing I thought was if DH did have SOMETHING he wanted destroyed, perhaps he threw it in basement without a thought and started the fire from there.
Reading the arson info and Bessie's post just now on how it could have been related to pathological behavior, makes a lot of sense!!
bessie said:
The fire originated in a basement storage room.

The affidavit makes it sound as though the house was burglarized at the same time as the arson.

"...had again been burglarized and set on fire in approximately 11/1989."

If one wanted to burn evidence, such as clothing, to avoid detection, wouldn't it make more sense to set a fire in a wooded or isolated outdoor area?

I have a feeling that if DJH did, indeed, start the fire, it wasn't related to Jacob's abduction, per se, but might have been another manifestation of the pathological behavior he was exhibiting during that period. JMO

The article that Lotus linked is worth a read.

https://archive.org/stream/psychologyoffire00vree/psychologyoffire00vree_djvu.txt

I'd love to know what items were taken during the burglaries beside photographs. I also wonder if he didn't spend time hiding inside that basement, and creeping around when no one was home, or the occupants were asleep. If that were true, I could see where he might stash 'souvenirs", e.g., a victim's hair, items of clothing and personal effects, in a secret lair. Then out of a twisted sense of guilt, he had to burn them in a kind of cleansing ritual.
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Wisdom said:
Another article on Heinrich / vehicle
http://www.fox9.com/news/49649710-story
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They have nothing on this guy that surely ties him to the Wetterling. They have the tire track and shoeprint comparison, neither one is conclusive. They have the suspect, he is alot shorter in height than previously anticipated. What happened in the investigation since having this knowledge since 1990? DR has got to be explained.
 
Wisdom said:
Another article on Heinrich / vehicle
http://www.fox9.com/news/49649710-story
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It is very odd that photographs were stolen. Not jewelry, not a weapon, not an interesting piece of art, but family photographs. Odd! Maybe his intension wasn't to burn evidence but just anger. Maybe he liked one of those boys and he was shunned. Seems odd to burn evidence in a house fire if you are simply going to steal something else to possibly connect you to it.
 
DJH could have had an obsession with those boys hence why he would come over with his brother and watch them play football. He might have been so obsessed with them that he wanted photos and burglarized the aunt's home to get photos of them. Maybe he had done other things with the boys and burned the home because he thought his DNA might be found on clothing or somewhere else in the home.

It's possible he could have stolen more things before starting the fire and thought that people would think the items were lost in the fire instead of stolen and wouldn't be looking for them.
 
Matthew1026 said:
DJH could have had an obsession with those boys hence why he would come over with his brother and watch them play football. He might have been so obsessed with them that he wanted photos and burglarized the aunt's home to get photos of them. Maybe he had done other things with the boys and burned the home because he thought his DNA might be found on clothing or somewhere else in the home.

It's possible he could have stolen more things before starting the fire and thought that people would think the items were lost in the fire instead of stolen and wouldn't be looking for them.
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It is odd that they noticed the photos missing. Maybe they were in a frame and cherished? I doubt DH took anything other than photos. Photos seem to be his main interest.
 
It seems odd also that all the boys (that we know about) who were attacked in Paynesville hung around in the same group. From the victim interviewed on TV... "Cole explained that he and the other victims were in a small circle of friends, and felt they were being stalked or watched." Heinrich did seem obsessed with just this one small group of friends.
 
Matthew1026 said:
DJH could have had an obsession with those boys hence why he would come over with his brother and watch them play football. He might have been so obsessed with them that he wanted photos and burglarized the aunt's home to get photos of them. Maybe he had done other things with the boys and burned the home because he thought his DNA might be found on clothing or somewhere else in the home.

It's possible he could have stolen more things before starting the fire and thought that people would think the items were lost in the fire instead of stolen and wouldn't be looking for them.
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shergal said:
It seems odd also that all the boys (that we know about) who were attacked in Paynesville hung around in the same group. From the victim interviewed on TV... "Cole explained that he and the other victims were in a small circle of friends, and felt they were being stalked or watched." Heinrich did seem obsessed with just this one small group of friends.
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Maybe that group rode their bikes a lot or stayed out past dark.
 
Why would he burn down this particular house? The boys he hung out with there did not live there; this was their aunt's house. I suppose they would have some photos of their nephews, but I doubt the "questionable / inappropriate" photos were taken from there. Which makes me wonder - did he take those photos (as in, was DJH the photographer)? If not, where did he get them? I'm not sure it matters in the big scheme of things, but it is something I'm curious about.
 
Why do sexually abused kids do fires?

When my hubby was a kid, for awhile he lived by a family that sexually abused their children, Everyone knew it but it was considered disgusting , but so what.

Anyway, a couple of the boys , I suppose at least old enough to be committed to St. Peter, would be released for some kind of home visits. My hubby was a kid so he had no idea why this happened.

Anyway, they would be home for awhile. One of the boys would start a fire and then run in to rescue the people. He was hailed as a hero in the paper .

My hubby did report him to LE. I forget now if they listened to him or not. He was just a kid at the time.

I remember almost 40 years ago when I was first a teacher hearing about a car crash with teens in this family and another family. One boy was killed. Another teacher reported to me that the sister was upset her brother died because she would not have anyone to sleep with anymore. We were disgusted, but there was no mandatory reporting then. Nor did we think of it as a crime.

Yes, that is the way it was before Jacob happened.

I have other stories as well and I am sure others do too
 
human said:
Why do sexually abused kids do fires?

When my hubby was a kid, for awhile he lived by a family that sexually abused their children, Everyone knew it but it was considered disgusting , but so what.

Anyway, a couple of the boys , I suppose at least old enough to be committed to St. Peter, would be released for some kind of home visits. My hubby was a kid so he had no idea why this happened.

Anyway, they would be home for awhile. One of the boys would start a fire and then run in to rescue the people. He was hailed as a hero in the paper .

My hubby did report him to LE. I forget now if they listened to him or not. He was just a kid at the time.

I remember almost 40 years ago when I was first a teacher hearing about a car crash with teens in this family and another family. One boy was killed. Another teacher reported to me that the sister was upset her brother died because she would not have anyone to sleep with anymore. We were disgusted, but there was no mandatory reporting then. Nor did we think of it as a crime.

Yes, that is the way it was before Jacob happened.

I have other stories as well and I am sure others do too
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A small child having a nightmare and crawling into an older sibling's bed for comfort is not sexual, imo. We have to be careful to remember there is such a thing as "good touching" that children need, and often siblings can be very close and caring about younger ones. Obviously you thought there was more to it than this, so I respect your opinion. I just think we risk viewing everything as sexual these days.... and that's not good either. There needs to be a middle road.
 
ELOC, could you refresh me on the fbi book title you read?


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nmogren said:
ELOC, could you refresh me on the fbi book title you read?


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Sure thing, depending on what you're looking for - see below:

Mind Hunters - John Douglas - For a well written summary of several cases that John & colleagues covered over the years, how they nailed the profiles, etc.

Law & Disorder - John Douglas - Very interesting and well written book about several infamous cases of the cops getting the wrong guy. Best chapters are on Jon Bonet Ramsey and The Memphis Three. By the way, The Devil's Knot is an amazing movie about the The Memphis Three.

Whoever Fights Monsters, by Robert Ressler is also good, but IMO does not measure up to John Douglas' books.

Another great book, by James A. Jack:
Three Boys Missing - Tells the tale of three boys murdered in a Chicago suburb in 1955, and the long term investigation that followed. Written by the lead investigator in the case.
 
The three boys murdered in Chicago, was that the one that Edward Wayne Edwards committed?
 
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