The Doe Network: Part 1: Who is Princess Blue?

[LionRun]

Okay, we are getting some good leads on names of the missing classmates from RKnowly. Does anyone think we should have a list of people to contact and keep it updated as to who was contacted and what happened? It could go sideways if we don't, I think. Where is a good place to put the list where we can all see it? Also, it should have an area where we can include added info(new phone number , email addy, or street address that we find on a different search source).

Should we just start a thread on the proboard site for that?


Lion

 

[MrsG728]

haha I go away to bake for a few hours and I come back to:
a HERD of zebras
a bedpan
a scandal
mad cow disease

and a whole lot of amazing sleuthing! :woohoo:

Seriously now, we are making tracks. Now if we could just get on with that yearbook... grumble grumble.

Happy Easter everyone! I'll check back with y'all tomorrow night.

MG

 

[MrsG728]

Okay, we are getting some good leads on names of the missing classmates from RKnowly. Does anyone think we should have a list of people to contact and keep it updated as to who was contacted and what happened? It could go sideways if we don't, I think. Where is a good place to put the list where we can all see it? Also, it should have an area where we can include added info(new phone number , email addy, or street address that we find on a different search source).

Should we just start a thread on the proboard site for that?


Lion

As SOON as I get that yearbook, I can compile a list of males and females who graduated. We can put it on proboard yes and I'll create a database so we can email it to each other and check stuff off and add addresses/emails etc.

MG

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

I think it's possible that the Skylar Trammell you posted below may have passed away.

It is possible this is them:

Social Security Death Index
Skylar B. Trammell

Name:Skylar B. Trammell
SSN:459-27-5427
Last Residence:77036 Houston, Harris, Texas, United States of America
Born:22 May 1959
Died:26 May 2001
State (Year) SSN issued:Texas (1974 )

ETA: hmmm there is a Skylar Trammell in Houston, TX listed US Phone Directory for the years 2000,2002 ...another PM on the way Lion, lol! Sorry I should have put it all in one PM

Hi RKnowly. I just emailed gstolting the letter that I previously drafted. I immediately received notice that it is a bad address. I checked to be sure, and it is a bad address. Perhaps we can find new info on him via zabasearch or peoplefinders.com.

Also, I received an email from someone who attended REL for only 2 years in 1974 and 1975. She didn't have a yearbook; but, she remembers 3 names for people who attended. Maybe we can look up these along with Gary and /or Cynthia. If we even get a phone number I don't mind calling them. I don't want to shock anyone via strange call about unidentified body, so I will be careful. If we can find good email addys that would be best, though.

Gary C. Stolting
Cynthia Kelly
Trevor Giles (may be living in OK)
Skylar Trammell
Dan or Daniel Hollie

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

That sounds great! Thank you again. ohhhhhhhhhh and MOOOOOOOOOOOOO (mad cow talking here)

ETA: HAPPY EASTER everyone!

As SOON as I get that yearbook, I can compile a list of males and females who graduated. We can put it on proboard yes and I'll create a database so we can email it to each other and check stuff off and add addresses/emails etc.

MG

 

[LionRun]

Hi Sadie. I read through the zebras you compiled. I think most zebras still stand, except for a couple now that we have learned new info and/or facts. I made notes in the dreaded red font, :yikes:, for what ever that may be worth, of my opinions and possible updates on zebra status.

I did not read through every post myself, though. You must be quite patient to have read through every post. Thank you.

Well scrolling back through everything, Here is a list of our zebras. If I left any out please let me know and I'll edit the post:

Although, it is possible that the ring was stolen by some thief from the original owner and given to a girlfriend, our Princess Doe, or some other scenario could have occurred where the original owner did not know Princess Doe, it is possible the two knew each other.


maybe the ring belonged to the murderer of Princess Doe (If indeed she was murdered) and that they placed the ring on her finger as their signature

I hate red; but it does stand out. I can eliminate the zebra that it was a man's ring. We know now that is was indeed a woman's ring. That does not rule out the zebra where it could have been stolen by some kid who in turn gave it to Princess.

Or, the killer could have stolen the ring from the original owner(like I suggested as just one possibility before), then given to Princess Doe in life or possibly placed on her finger as a reverse souvenir effect, a signature as it were. He would have no concern that it would be tied to him if he had stolen it. if it were originally his, he might not want to leave it on her.


I can't help but think that this ring may belong to her father, if her age is closer to 16 or (15 maybe) minus the age from her date of being located, would make it 1974-1975? Could she have the ring from her father? Perhaps, something may have happened to him and this was given to her as remembrance of him. Is there someway of finding out if someone from that class passed away? The size of the ring does lead me to believe it could be a mans ring, seeing as though there are no initials, men in my class (1984) didn't have inscriptions done,

Did LE say that they thought she weighed around 175? Or is it just a guess b/c of the ring? I am 115 pounds, but I have really big fingers. My ring finger is an 8, and my index finger is a 9 1/2.
The Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse representative handling Princess's case said that they used other methods besides the ring size to estimate her weight in life. I imagine they noted the width and mass of the the long bones along with articulating surfaces of tendons to bone(the heavier and/or muscular as a result of weight lifting exercises, the larger the area of contact of tendon to bone). I still don't think we should ditch the zebra of her weighing less than 175. What if she had wide fingers, weighed 140, and did a lot of heavy lifting, for example. Something went wrong in the investigation, and it could be a zebra was overlooked.

She may not have originally been from Texas, despite her ring.


What if the mystery owner moved or dropped out by her senior year? I think we need a list of the juniors for 1974 as well. most of them will be the same; but, who knows? What if what I am saying is true? I am going to call the school now and see if there is a way to get a list of the students.

How about white or Asian? We can't rule this out, although they are pretty sure that she was of white/hispanic heritage. This is a zebra, I think.

And if it comes down to chasing zebra's, here's one: There's a chance that the person graduated in 1975, and wasn't able to order their ring when the rest of the seniors did. They could have waited, say a year, and then ordered their ring from a different company. I never ordered a class ring, but if I wanted to, I could go somewhere entirely different and order one

Here is a website for a woman/teacher who graduated from Lee in 1975. Her name is Ms. Martin http://members.aol.com/thisblonderox02/commander.html
Since she went to college in and teaches San Antonio I am inclined to think she may have attended the REL in San Antonio. But, you never know. it could be a zebra for later, and we can always try to track her down again if we get nowhere with what we have.


The zebra would be that the, "L" stands for original owner's name

I was also wondering if they knew for a FACT that she was hispanic because of DNA or if they are just guessing --Good question. Back in 1990 DNA from say bone marrow, hair, or teeth was not available to discern ethnic heritage. But, I don't know if any tests like that were done recently. I have a feeling that they weren't but, who knows? Generally, they guess heritage by noting the bones of the face and skull. It is less than accurate; but, it is a good generilization, I think.

It's a possibility that the original owner of the ring pawned it. Back then class rings were actually gold and had true stones, not synthetic (at least mine did, from '72), so it would have been worth pawning. If you do find the original owner and it was pawned, maybe the pawn shop has records that could be searched. I realize this is unlikely, but it is a possibility

Since she has remained UID for nearly 17 years, I am inclined to think that there may be one or more zebras involved. This could be another one. Chances are greater that ring came from a mother, an aunt, or an older sister who no longer wanted to wear her HS ring. But, what if the dad is an American citizen with a sister who gave it to Princess Blue? A mother from another country where English may not be her first language and who may not know what we are doing may not know to check the various sites.


What if she quit drugs, the drugs in her entire system diminished, and then she was murdered. She would have to have been murdered after the birth of her child, albeit. There were no baby skeletal remains. This is again, another zebra. Dang, I hope you guys don't get too sick of me using that word all the time; but, we have have accumulated a lot of them just in the first couple of weeks.

Concerning the birthstone type and/or color there could be one zebra that I can think of I never got an HS ring; but, I got so far as choosing one. And, my graduation year was 1977. We had the option of choosing any of the stones available that we wanted. Most chose their birthstones. However, my birthstone has a color best described as being in between puke green and urine yellow. That was not and will never happen for me. I would have ordered a pretty blue sapphire instead, for my favorite color is blue. But, along with the other zebras, I will place this though on hold until we explore all of the horses, the more likely possibilities

 

[LionRun]

haha I go away to bake for a few hours and I come back to:
a HERD of zebras
a bedpan
a scandal
mad cow disease

and a whole lot of amazing sleuthing! :woohoo:

Seriously now, we are making tracks. Now if we could just get on with that yearbook... grumble grumble.

Happy Easter everyone! I'll check back with y'all tomorrow night.

MG

I again have, "laugh" tears in my eyes from reading your post, MrsG.

That would be grand if you could compile a data base and such. Please keep us updated, for I emailed duffy about the yb, so I will stop bugging him if he contacts you and/or gets that book to you.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Hi guys, and Happy Easter! Here is the form letter I did to contact the alumni. You can replace what is in red with what ever info you need to, and you can change the first part of the letter according to whom you are sending it to. I put all pics we have of Princess Blue's jewelry on one thingy, and I am including that, too. You can perhaps send the pic of her jewelry in an attachment when emailing if you like. If you to change the letter up a bit for what ever reason, that is fine with me.

Lion






Hello. I am emailing each of you from an alumni list I tracked down on the internet for Robert E. Lee High School, Houston.

I belong to Websleuths, an internet sleuthing community. We are working to identify the remains of a victim we now call, Princess Blue. She was wearing a 1975 Robert E. Lee High School, Houston, TX ring. She was discovered in Brazoria County, in 1990 and was estimated to be between the ages of 16 and 22. Therefore she was too young to have attended your High School. Her mother, aunt, or older sister may have graduated with you in 1975.

We believe that it is possible that whomever it was from your class who originally owned this ring may be the key to this Princess Blue’s identity. Please feel free to visit us at websleuths to read what we are trying to do on behalf of our Princess Blue at

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1413554&posted=1#post1413554

Here are additional sites we have just created. They are all up and running, and we welcome you to join us there, too.

http://uidprincessblue.proboards80.com/

http://www.myspace.com/uidprincessblue

http://someoneknowsme.com/upload/index.php


I have included some pertinent information to this case in the hopes that one or more of you may help to ultimately solve this case. Surely Princess Blue is loved and missed by someone, and I am asking for any help you can give. Additionally, if there is anyone else from your class that you are still in contact with that you can forward this to, I would be most thankful.
Is there anyone from your class who had a younger sister, daughter, niece, or other family member go between 1988 and 1990? Please email me with any information at

Your contact info here

Most Sincerely,

Your name here


The Doe Network: Case File 137UFTX
Unidentified White / Hispanic Female
The victim was discovered on September 10, 1990 in Brazoria County, Texas.
Est'd Date of Death: 6 mos - 1 yr
Est'd age: 16-22 yrs
Approx. Ht. & Wt. 4'10" - 5'2"
Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim possibly had a tumor on her knee.
Dentals: Dental information available DNA: IN CODIS
Jewelry: A gold band with 6 clear stones, 2 thin silver bands, a silver band with a scroll design, a Robert E. Lee High School, Houston, TX ring (1975), a silver ring with a turquoise unicorn and a pearl-beaded bracelet.
The victim was located on a pile of debris at the end of a Brazoria County road on September 10, 1990
The skeleton was found by an Alvin man who had pulled off the highway to find a place to urinate. He stepped behind a barricade and saw a skull in an old tire.
Authorities believe the rings are the clue to solving the case.

Investigators

If you have any information about this case please contact:
Manvel Police Sergeant Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail him at jcoffman@manvelpd.org.
Harris County Medical Examiner
713-796-9292
Or
Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse
800-346-3243
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
U0310014 NCIC Number:
U-940003426
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

 

[sissy's mom]

Sorry everyone it took me longer than I thought to read this whole thread. There are some amazing people working on this case. My only thought right now is the class ring either belongs to Princess Blue's older sister or her mom. I just don't see her wearing it otherwise, jmo of course.

 

[LionRun]

Sorry everyone it took me longer than I thought to read this whole thread. There are some amazing people working on this case. My only thought right now is the class ring either belongs to Princess Blue's older sister or her mom. I just don't see her wearing it otherwise, jmo of course.

Hi sissy. I think she may have been given that ring by her mother, and older, sister, an aunt, or someone she was close to. That is why we think we have a shot at solving this.

Is your Mom okay? I have been so busy with this that I haven't even checked your thread.


Lion

 

[sissy's mom]

Hi sissy. I think she may have been given that ring by her mother, and older, sister, an aunt, or someone she was close to. That is why we think we have a shot at solving this.

Is your Mom okay? I have been so busy with this that I haven't even checked your thread.


Lion

Hi, Lion, I won't tie up this thread with my news but I can answer elsewhere.Everyone here seems to know much more than I do so I was trying to put myself in Princess Blue's shoes. Of course I love my Aunt's , but unless they raised me, I might keep their class ring but wouldn't wear it..... Unless I was trying to appear older than I was..

 

[LionRun]

Hmmm. She was estimated to be between 16 and 22. It is possible that she may have wanted to appear older than she was, and we haven't thought of that, yet.

I think it is more likely that she felt very close to whom ever the ring belonged to. Who knows? She could have been raised by an aunt. She could have been raised by her Mom and dad, by her mom, or by her dad. She could have been in a foster home where they didn't care enough about her to report her missing. Or she could have family still searching.

Are you near Houston? Are you familiar with the county roads in Brazoria county?

Lion

 

[sissy's mom]

Hmmm. She was estimated to be between 16 and 22. It is possible that she may have wanted to appear older than she was, and we haven't thought of that, yet.

I think it is more likely that she felt very close to whom ever the ring belonged to. Who knows? She could have been raised by an aunt. She could have been raised by her Mom and dad, by her mom, or by her dad. She could have been in a foster home where they didn't care enough about her to report her missing. Or she could have family still searching.

Are you near Houston? Are you familiar with the county roads in Brazoria county?

Lion

Yes, I'm in Houston. But no on the roads in Brazoria roads. One last thought is I might have worn the ring not just to appear older, but also to make another boy jealous. just putting myself back in teenage shoes..

 

[LionRun]

Back in 1990, I would wear 2-3 rings at a time. I generally didn't wear a bracelet unless I were going out somewhere; but, that was because training large, active dogs while wearing a bracelet does not work so well. I was also in pre-vet then; and, I would usually wear 1-3 rings to classes, too.

Princess Doe was wearing 5 rings and a pearl beaded bracelet. Is it likely she was out somewhere like to a party, or on a date, or to the mall? Or is it just as likely that she didn't go out anywhere and that she just liked wearing several ring and a bracelet while at home, I wonder?

Lion

 

[richandfamous]

Topix Threads for Princess Blue:

Harris County Forum:
http://www.topix.net/forum/county/harris-tx/TL2R0OPM2B8H1RMA3

Houston/Texas Forum:
http://www.topix.net/forum/state/tx/TUAB6DN0L8ENKSSDI

 

[Aprilvic]

I found an email address for Trevor Giles , out of Enid Oklahoma. It is his business address. Please remove if I am not allowed to post this! I am new at what works and what doesn't.

I will email him the letter!
You guys are great keep up the awesome sleuthing!
April

ok emailed him!

 

[Jaded]

Anyone interested in a chat tonight? There is a chatroom on www.someoneknowsme.com that we can use to brainstorm.

 

[richandfamous]

Anyone interested in a chat tonight? There is a chatroom on www.someoneknowsme.com that we can use to brainstorm.

count me in..what time? I am on my way to church then BBQ but should be home by night time.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

I couldn't quite decide if the Trevor Giles in Oklahoma was the right one or the one listed in Houston, TX?

I found an email address for Trevor Giles , out of Enid Oklahoma. It is his business address. Please remove if I am not allowed to post this! I am new at what works and what doesn't.

I will email him the letter!
You guys are great keep up the awesome sleuthing!
April

ok emailed him!

 

[Aprilvic]

I just kinda figured if this Trevor had never heard of REL H.S. , he would just delete the message, oh well worth a try :angel: