The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

[LindsayLohan6]

Here's a quick refresher about the dirfter for those who may have forgotten:

"A second man had been partying with missing Craigslist sex worker Shannon Gilbert the night she disappeared from a Long Island beach community where a serial killer is suspected to have buried his victims, The Post has learned.

The man, a 48-year-old drifter with a penchant for strippers, was staying at the Oak Beach summer home owned by businessman Joseph Brewer, the john who hired Gilbert in May 2010 and was also with her that night. "
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Cops would not say if they have questioned the second man.

His mom told The Post yesterday that her son had contacted her after Gilbert’s disappearance. She said she believes he is now somewhere in Georgia.

“He called me,” she said. “He told me not to worry if his name was in the papers related to the case.”

.....http://nypost.com/2011/04/09/2nd-man-partied-with-missing-li-hooker/

I only pasted the sentences relevant to the drifter. Does anyone have the report that says the drifter's Mom lived in Massapequa? I'd love to get to the bottom of the drifter mystery. I don't belive that Vito Safarti the one who wrote the confessions book was actually the drifter because he claims he wasnt there that night...and the drifter was cleary there that night from the news report. LINative claimed the drifter was Eric a tugboat captain but also said he wasn;t there that night either. So how could he be the drifter who partied with Shannan? Native also claimed that friends of JB and the drifter had seen Shannan Gilbert in the days before her death hanging out with JB. Is this possible? We've been told Shannan had never met JB before. I wonder what the truth really is? Maybe you MCME...can enlighten us to some of the FACTS you are familiar with...as we only have a bunch of bull to work with here I think we'd all love to find out THE TRUTH.....
another man suggested as the drifter by flukeyou was PA who was arrested as part of robbery ring with police officer. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/feds-eye-city-rob-gang-article-1.1186137

They all make interesting drifters.....but who was actually the drifter who partied with Shannan that night? All we know is had a penchant for strippers...and fled to georgia. I think we'd all love to learn who the drifter really is. He certainly makes an interesting POI. There was the report of a websleuther who had seen Brewer's home when it was up for sale and she reported a Man living in the basement with many many cats who was with a young girl. Could this have been the drifter?How many drifters are there? There may be many but the one drifter we need to look into...is the one drifter who was the secodn man who partied with Shannan that night. I think we'd all love to know who the real drifter is....since you know the facts Mcme....do you know for a fact who the drifter is?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Honestly I'm amazed how little of the facts we know about what happened may 1 2010. Let's take another quick look at some quotes from Gus and Brewer that speak volumes about their character.

Gus: "I’ll help you anyway I can," says Gus Coletti, a 76-year-old pigeon fancier who said he saw Gilbert that night. "Just don’t ask me to give up one of my neighbors."

Brewer: Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned her gender that night. Those close to Gilbert say that’s an outrageous suggestion, since she is wholly woman.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said.

Gilbert became upset, since "she saw things weren’t going as she had hoped," and acted in an "erratic" way, Brewer said. He said her driver, Michael Pak, was waiting in an SUV outside and got her into the car to take her home, he thought.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

 

[mcme]

Honestly I'm amazed how little of the facts we know about what happened may 1 2010. Let's take another quick look at some quotes from Gus and Brewer that speak volumes about their character.

Gus: "I’ll help you anyway I can," says Gus Coletti, a 76-year-old pigeon fancier who said he saw Gilbert that night. "Just don’t ask me to give up one of my neighbors."

Brewer: Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned her gender that night. Those close to Gilbert say that’s an outrageous suggestion, since she is wholly woman.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said.

Gilbert became upset, since "she saw things weren’t going as she had hoped," and acted in an "erratic" way, Brewer said. He said her driver, Michael Pak, was waiting in an SUV outside and got her into the car to take her home, he thought.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

That's an interesting link, it's the only place I've seen it attributed to JB that he claimed to have tried to help file a missing person report. But nowhere in there does it say MP mentioned to GC where he and SG had been. It clearly states MP saw nobody besides JB at the home. It also has SG saying only "help me" to GC, no reference to her telling him that "they" were trying to kill her, before running from his home.
So, how was GC supposed to know she thought she was about to be killed, and by who. Where, besides in a newspaper that only cares about selling copies, is there one stitch of evidence that there was anyone besides JB, MP and SG at the home that night. And how was JB supposed to know what happened that night after she left, with her driver.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Very early on...in gus original account...he stated that MP had said "they were over at Brewer's". There was a lot of analysis of this statement "at Brewer's" because it showed either MP said that and showed a familiarity with MP and JB or Gus said it and showed a familiarity with Gus calling JB Brewer. If you think quoting the NYPOST syaing the drifter was there that not is not valid...then any and all MSM sources go out the window and your left with nothing. You can't pick and choose from MSM what suits your theory best you need to stick to the FACTS you claim to know so well. AND THE FACT IS the Drifter was there that night. If you "know people involved" and only Brewer, Pak and Shannan where there that night means you know Brewer. But Brewer and Shannan where not the only ones there that night were they? You can;t pick and choose MSM the way you pick and choose which questions to ignore and answer here n websleuths. So how bout answering this...who is the drifter?

 

[deedee21]

JR will have a long list of people attend a deposition. Alot of information should be revealed about what happened that night.

 

[mysteryattic]

When will this case go to court?

 

[cpaul]

I'll say 18 months to 2 years minimum.

 

[hawkshaw]

Honestly I'm amazed how little of the facts we know about what happened may 1 2010. Let's take another quick look at some quotes from Gus and Brewer that speak volumes about their character.

Gus: "I’ll help you anyway I can," says Gus Coletti, a 76-year-old pigeon fancier who said he saw Gilbert that night. "Just don’t ask me to give up one of my neighbors."

Brewer: Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned her gender that night. Those close to Gilbert say that’s an outrageous suggestion, since she is wholly woman.

But Brewer said Gilbert asked him if he had ever hired an online escort for sex. Then, he said she asked, "Have you come across any transvestites?" He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. "I wanted her out," he said.

Gilbert became upset, since "she saw things weren’t going as she had hoped," and acted in an "erratic" way, Brewer said. He said her driver, Michael Pak, was waiting in an SUV outside and got her into the car to take her home, he thought.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

AS TO BREWER ALLEGEDLY SAYING THAT SG MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MAN:

Remember that there was a dead male found in the 2nd set of body finds that was wearing woman's clothing. That body has yet to be identified.

I have heard that some years ago a former very high ranking public official of Suffolk County was found in a car after a motor vehicle accident, drunk and wearing a woman's dress. That never got beyond the rumor mill.

I also have information that another ranking Suffolk official with ties to Bellone was under surveillance by a private investigator and he saw a person he believed to be that public official exit a home he knew that person to be at, and that person was dressed like a woman. The PI started following that individual. The individual realized he was under surveillance and took off in speeds in excess of 100MPH in an attempt to shake his tail. Why else would someone race away at such excessive speeds unless they were doing something wrong that would embarrass them?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

JR will have a long list of people attend a deposition. Alot of information should be revealed about what happened that night.

who needs a deposition when apparently our fellow websleuthers know the facts! That is if they were willing to speak up....but like everyone connected to this case....no one is willing to speak up. How about a nypost/newsday full front page cover with photos of unidentifieds, jewelry, mickey mouse blanket from John Valentine and JANE DOE 2000'S TATTOO!!!!!

 

[LindsayLohan6]

The first five minutes of this doc are insightful though we've all seen the interviews before. It's the story in Pak and Colleti's words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V7GGZd144

Two 911 calls, Shannan's accurate prediction that someone was trying to killer originated while inside Brewer's home. So it essential to determine who was in brewer's home with Shannan & JB. No one seems concerned with this. Also according to Pak...JB grabs Shannan! This story just DOES NOT ADD UP! Shannan & Pak drive all the way out to Oak Beach, Shannan and Brewer don't have sex? and she's in there for 2 or 3 hours? JB is lying. When someone lies in a murder investigation....they should not be given the benefit of the doubt. And remember that post from mydeathspace where Brewer's high skool girlfriend said he was obsessed with her she had to break it off with him because she was scared of him! She also said him and his friends would torture animals!!!

 

[LindsayLohan6]

The part about torturing animals is from brewer's ex...but it's in reference to two different killers she grew up? Hm...wonder what the deal is here? Where these guys friends with JB or it could be not related....its not the whole post so read the link

While not serial killers, I grew up with 2 different guys that both became murderers......They were both doing lovely things like nailing live frogs to boards for "fun" as really young kids..... it is rather shocking to have had them as neighbors.
http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?1116-Serial-Killers

 

[deedee21]

John Ray has a POI as a result of hours of depositions. He said LE is not interested. He went on to say they would have someone detained if they were. I wonder why LE is not interested in any evidence he gathered.

 

[Topcat]

Might be because John Ray is a publicity seeker without much substance to back himself up, jmo of course.

 

[deedee21]

Might be because John Ray is a publicity seeker without much substance to back himself up, jmo of course.

Is LE no longer interested in tips?

 

[Topcat]

Maybe viable tips only or maybe whatever Mr.Ray submitted was previously checked out or Mr. Ray has an ulterior motive in submitting his "tip".

 

[volcarm]

48 hours "long island serial killer" is on TLC now
Anyone else watching it?

 

[deedee21]

48 hours "long island serial killer" is on TLC now
Anyone else watching it?

its also on youtube along with a couple of documentries.

 

[CriminalMinds]

if SG is linked to GB4, why isn't the body next to them? he's a collector and a revisitor--seems like he would want to have her in his collection

--if the GB4 is an oak beach resident like CPH, then wouldn't that be the closest by far a multiple body dump site is to the residence of the killer(other than on the property itself)--that doesn't add up

 

[CriminalMinds]

if SG is linked to GB4, why isn't the body next to them? he's a collector and a revisitor--seems like he would want to have her in his collection

--if the GB4 is an oak beach resident like CPH, then wouldn't that be the closest by far a multiple body dump site is to the residence of the killer(other than on the property itself)--that doesn't add up

unless SG's killer knows the GB4 killer, and was trying his own thing

 

[giagreen]

Or if because he knew she had called the police or new that the police had been around figured he put her a ways away just in case if this happened.
If SG was found by GB4 then who would be the most obvious person? That would all most be a guarantee to get caught.