The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

[Mountain_Kat]

Or a minister/religious radio show host with a "sick wife" sob story

Or the heart-broken "husband" who tried to rescue his crack addicted ex-wife from a life on the streets of AC

Or an artist and/or his associates who was/were asked, by a mother of a local female artist who died, to paint Sea Turtles.

Or the Director of an established rehab center who is offering to save you from a life on the streets.

Who would fear leaving with any of them or one of their friends or associates?

So many possible suspects... (CPH, CJA, HA, PB or associate artists, or SY)

Now, most people might fear someone like CM or that other LI SK's brother but not a good doctor, a radio show minister of sorts, an artist, a grieving "husband", or a Substance Abuse Specialist.

All good points.

Going with that train of thought, that's a strike against Brewer, imo. I'm a streetwise girl...no way in hell would I have trustedBrewer without some kind of backup. And obviously, Shannan didn't either.

JMO

 

[Dwntwnslim]

All good points.

Going with that train of thought, that's a strike against Brewer, imo. I'm a streetwise girl...no way in hell would I have trustedBrewer without some kind of backup. And obviously, Shannan didn't either.

JMO

Agreed.

 

[MrsPC]

going back to the beginning of this case...

I couldn't locate any published news reports about Gilbert's disappearance prior to mid-December 2010.

As is well known - in May 2010 Gilbert had her cell phone with her & placed the 23 min 911 call. (I don't recall if Coletti mentioned whether or not she had her phone when she came to his door.)

But, then in June 2010 Waterman was persuaded not to take her phone with her and in September 2010 Costello was persuaded not to bring her phone along.

Obviously, Gilbert's cell phone & 911 call created some major waves in Oak Beach.

IMO, the most reasonable inference with regard to Waterman & Costello not bringing their phones is that the killer didn't want to *re-experience* what he did with Gilbert & her 911 call.

That definitely limits the suspect pool of the Gilgo 4 killer to the people who last saw Gilbert the night she vanished - Coletti - Pak - Brewer - or possibly Hackett

or possibly a law enforcement officer who 1st responded

just my 2 cents

 

[MrsPC]

another thing that puzzles me...

most news reports say that police didn't arrive til about 6am to Oak Beach

yet, in the reports about Barbara Brennan who called 911 at 5:22am...those reports say that police arrived 10 min later

so did 2 different officers respond???

 

[Doop]

At this point, Im sick and tired of having no real answers and so many questions. I for one dont think that SG is related to the Gilgo Beach 4, but what the hell do I know. I also dont think this moron will be caught, and if it is I dont see it anytime in the near future.

 

[Redbird]

another thing that puzzles me...

most news reports say that police didn't arrive til about 6am to Oak Beach

yet, in the reports about Barbara Brennan who called 911 at 5:22am...those reports say that police arrived 10 min later

so did 2 different officers respond???

I have read the Schwartz Report (mentioned before) which is a "Long Island Nassau Suffolk County New York Political Forum regarding Police Issues." It seems to discuss inside issues in the police dept. written by disgruntled cops letting off steam, and wanna be cops. Hard to wade thru because of all the police jargon and the language used could not be repeated here. It discusses the protocol of dispatching calls. As best I can understand SG's 911 first went to the dispatcher who had to request approval of a duty officer to locate her by satallite. It took 15 minutes to locate the call . The department is structured so that it was 20 to 25 minutes into the call before the call was sent to the proper department, the marine unit (instead of an officer on land and maybe 10 minutes away.) The marine unit is on land and has to travel to their boat to go to oak beach. They reach oak beach, get in a car and drive to the location. Travel time abou 15 minutes. All together one poster said it took them 45 minutes to respond.

One unit responded, advised they could not find the subject, requested additional resources, which ultimately were denied by the county as per the depts protocol. At the next tour (coming on at 9 am) a k-9 officer was dispatched in an attempt to track a scent that could have been 4-5 hours old, which also meant if the woman was wandering aimlessly she would have a 4-5 hour head start. Eventually the aviation section came in and was dispatched. They flew around and saw nothing. 5-6 hours later. The officer wrote a field report. It was written up as an incident.

They say at one point the call was sent to the state police and then back.

There are comments saying the 911 call may be withheld in order to hide the inefficiency of the response. Or other things that might embarrass the department.

I found this all very difficult to follow, but it was quite fascinating to read and I have made this poorly written post just to let you know how hard it is to answer the question "How long did it take them to respond." If anyone is interested the link is:

4 bodies found - Long Island Nassau Suffolk County New York Political Forum

It seems like Barbara Brennan's call was kept secret a long time. Wasn't mentioned at all on this forum.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

At this point, Im sick and tired of having no real answers and so many questions. I for one dont think that SG is related to the Gilgo Beach 4, but what the hell do I know. I also dont think this moron will be caught, and if it is I dont see it anytime in the near future.

This is what I tell myself whenever I start to feel pessmistic: The police probably have to keep a lot on the down low because, if the perp is local, he keeps a close eye on police movements. For all we know LE could have interviewed the perp numerous times. They just haven't told us about it….yet. I am of the opinion that the perp keeps close tabs on the media, if anything just to so he can read about himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a “google alert” set up to notify him every time the phrase “long island serial killer” is mentioned in a media report. So, to me anyway, the absence of any news is good news because it probably keeps the perp in the dark too and his ego in check. JMO.

 

[Seaslug44]

Redbird, the marine unit does not have to travel by boat to get to Oak Beach. The unit consists of some officers in SUVs who actually only patrol on land. "Marine One" is the SUV land unit that responded to the SG 911 call.

 

[Doop]

This is what I tell myself whenever I start to feel pessmistic: The police probably have to keep a lot on the down low because, if the perp is local, he keeps a close eye on police movements. For all we know LE could have interviewed the perp numerous times. They just haven't told us about it….yet. I am of the opinion that the perp keeps close tabs on the media, if anything just to so he can read about himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a “google alert” set up to notify him every time the phrase “long island serial killer” is mentioned in a media report. So, to me anyway, the absence of any news is good news because it probably keeps the perp in the dark too and his ego in check. JMO.

hmm, I like your way of thinking and I can understand it. That being said, how long does it take to release the autopsy results, are we even going to be informed of that? While we dont know if he ha been interviewed, I am under the opinion that they dont a have clue. Unless they believe that he lives in Oak Beach. To me this guy will either have to make a mistake (if he even is still around), or someone that knows him will connect the dots and alert the authorities of a possible suspect. i dont see how the cops could possibly solve the SK case (im under the assumption that sg is not related), based on the lack of info they seem to have.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

hmm, I like your way of thinking and I can understand it. That being said, how long does it take to release the autopsy results, are we even going to be informed of that? While we dont know if he ha been interviewed, I am under the opinion that they dont a have clue. Unless they believe that he lives in Oak Beach. To me this guy will either have to make a mistake (if he even is still around), or someone that knows him will connect the dots and alert the authorities of a possible suspect. i dont see how the cops could possibly solve the SK case (im under the assumption that sg is not related), based on the lack of info they seem to have.

I can certainly appreciate where your coming from and understand why you feel the way you do. I just have this feeling, I'm not sure where it comes from, that LE knows who the perp is and that they are compiling and analyzing evidence, dotting their "I's" and crossing their "T's". The perp hasn't killed in a while (that we know of anyway) and I can't help but feel it's because he is being watched. Well, that's my 2 cents worth.

I definitely get where your coming from, though.

 

[Redbird]

Redbird, the marine unit does not have to travel by boat to get to Oak Beach. The unit consists of some officers in SUVs who actually only patrol on land. "Marine One" is the SUV land unit that responded to the SG 911 call.

There was a lot I did not understand, but I did understand they discussed the marine unit going from car to boat to car. One poster says "when the call was sent to marine unit he was on land and had to drive to the dock, get on the boat and respond to the beach, then drive to the block (#52). This comment (not sure I understood) "amazingly each precinct has 3 or so sector cars shut down on the midnights, mine included..." another comment you might understand: "It (the dispatcher) sent one unit to the call, the unit advised that it was 30 minutes out. The dispatcher sent no other units because there were none available with 4 wheel drive. It refused to send any further search and rescue type units (other marine, k-9., the bird) until the next tour." "When the dispatcher assigned the call to marine unit, it had to take into consideration that the call was coming from a beach front community with possible terrain issues. So they send the marine unit. "

See, I only partially understood all this cop talk, perhaps you will understand more than me what they are talking about.

 

[Redbird]

I can certainly appreciate where your coming from and understand why you feel the way you do. I just have this feeling, I'm not sure where it comes from, that LE knows who the perp is and that they are compiling and analyzing evidence, dotting their "I's" and crossing their "T's". The perp hasn't killed in a while (that we know of anyway) and I can't help but feel it's because he is being watched. Well, that's my 2 cents worth.

I definitely get where your coming from, though.

That was the speculation of some of the poster on this police forum. They were saying maybe the 911 call wasn't being released because it had information about the SK on it, an Sk they are zeroed in from the beginning.

 

[snapdragon2]

going back to the beginning of this case...

I couldn't locate any published news reports about Gilbert's disappearance prior to mid-December 2010.

As is well known - in May 2010 Gilbert had her cell phone with her & placed the 23 min 911 call. (I don't recall if Coletti mentioned whether or not she had her phone when she came to his door.)

But, then in June 2010 Waterman was persuaded not to take her phone with her and in September 2010 Costello was persuaded not to bring her phone along.

Obviously, Gilbert's cell phone & 911 call created some major waves in Oak Beach.

IMO, the most reasonable inference with regard to Waterman & Costello not bringing their phones is that the killer didn't want to *re-experience* what he did with Gilbert & her 911 call.

That definitely limits the suspect pool of the Gilgo 4 killer to the people who last saw Gilbert the night she vanished - Coletti - Pak - Brewer - or possibly Hackett

or possibly a law enforcement officer who 1st responded

just my 2 cents

Good point! I never thought of that! That sure makes sense to me...!

 

[snapdragon2]

another thing that puzzles me...

most news reports say that police didn't arrive til about 6am to Oak Beach

yet, in the reports about Barbara Brennan who called 911 at 5:22am...those reports say that police arrived 10 min later

so did 2 different officers respond???

Hmmmm...interesting!

 

[snapdragon2]

I have read the Schwartz Report (mentioned before) which is a "Long Island Nassau Suffolk County New York Political Forum regarding Police Issues." It seems to discuss inside issues in the police dept. written by disgruntled cops letting off steam, and wanna be cops. Hard to wade thru because of all the police jargon and the language used could not be repeated here. It discusses the protocol of dispatching calls. As best I can understand SG's 911 first went to the dispatcher who had to request approval of a duty officer to locate her by satallite. It took 15 minutes to locate the call . The department is structured so that it was 20 to 25 minutes into the call before the call was sent to the proper department, the marine unit (instead of an officer on land and maybe 10 minutes away.) The marine unit is on land and has to travel to their boat to go to oak beach. They reach oak beach, get in a car and drive to the location. Travel time abou 15 minutes. All together one poster said it took them 45 minutes to respond.

One unit responded, advised they could not find the subject, requested additional resources, which ultimately were denied by the county as per the depts protocol. At the next tour (coming on at 9 am) a k-9 officer was dispatched in an attempt to track a scent that could have been 4-5 hours old, which also meant if the woman was wandering aimlessly she would have a 4-5 hour head start. Eventually the aviation section came in and was dispatched. They flew around and saw nothing. 5-6 hours later. The officer wrote a field report. It was written up as an incident.

They say at one point the call was sent to the state police and then back.

There are comments saying the 911 call may be withheld in order to hide the inefficiency of the response. Or other things that might embarrass the department.

I found this all very difficult to follow, but it was quite fascinating to read and I have made this poorly written post just to let you know how hard it is to answer the question "How long did it take them to respond." If anyone is interested the link is:

4 bodies found - Long Island Nassau Suffolk County New York Political Forum

It seems like Barbara Brennan's call was kept secret a long time. Wasn't mentioned at all on this forum.

Wow, thanks for that.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I think, we're in the wrong season. The GB4 were all killed between June and September - the warm season. Which led me from the beginning to think, the killer isn't most of the year in the area. We have January, so my guess, he isn't in the LI and NY area, but somewhere else and probably killing there too. So, bottom line: We have to wait for summer, or find other parts of his work somewhere else, before anything happens.

 

[MrsPC]

going back to the beginning of this case...

I couldn't locate any published news reports about Gilbert's disappearance prior to mid-December 2010.

As is well known - in May 2010 Gilbert had her cell phone with her & placed the 23 min 911 call. (I don't recall if Coletti mentioned whether or not she had her phone when she came to his door.)

But, then in June 2010 Waterman was persuaded not to take her phone with her and in September 2010 Costello was persuaded not to bring her phone along.

Obviously, Gilbert's cell phone & 911 call created some major waves in Oak Beach.

IMO, the most reasonable inference with regard to Waterman & Costello not bringing their phones is that the killer didn't want to *re-experience* what he did with Gilbert & her 911 call.

That definitely limits the suspect pool of the Gilgo 4 killer to the people who last saw Gilbert the night she vanished - Coletti - Pak - Brewer - or possibly Hackett

or possibly a law enforcement officer who 1st responded

just my 2 cents

quoting myself but...

IMO, we can rule out Pak - Oak Beach isn't his stomping ground.

That leaves Brewer, Hackett & law enforcement

Considering Hackett's call/no call, refusal to take a polygraph, etc....that seems awfully fishy to me

But I'm not ready to rule Brewer out either.

 

[truthspider]

quoting myself but...

IMO, we can rule out Pak - Oak Beach isn't his stomping ground.

That leaves Brewer, Hackett & law enforcement

Considering Hackett's call/no call, refusal to take a polygraph, etc....that seems awfully fishy to me

But I'm not ready to rule Brewer out either.

Yes, and since we know there is a very good chance that whoever killed G4, killed about 10 more.... Starting with a woman who had an operation on her legs......which do you like?


I wonder how busy kevin spacey's work schedule is....he might get a call lol

 

[Clem Snide]

quoting myself but...

IMO, we can rule out Pak - Oak Beach isn't his stomping ground.

That leaves Brewer, Hackett & law enforcement

Considering Hackett's call/no call, refusal to take a polygraph, etc....that seems awfully fishy to me

But I'm not ready to rule Brewer out either.

I'd refuse a polygraph. If you pass it they may still not eliminate you as a suspect and if you fail it's in the papers. In my opinion it does you no good to take the polygraph if you're guilty or innocent.

 

[dcgrumpy]

quoting myself but...

IMO, we can rule out Pak - Oak Beach isn't his stomping ground.

That leaves Brewer, Hackett & law enforcement

Considering Hackett's call/no call, refusal to take a polygraph, etc....that seems awfully fishy to me

But I'm not ready to rule Brewer out either.

Do you happen to have a link to that? I've never heard that the police asked him to take a polygraph and he refused.