The Phone Calls in the early morning of Dec.18, 2013 (both PayPhone & cells)

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cujenn81 said:
Ok so I went to the Kangaroo on 10th/joe white ave and the pay phone there doesn't even work... there was no dial tone. So I went looking for other pay phones on that road and I found one at the Circle K gas station on the corner of Kings Hwy aka 17 Business & 10th ave/joe white.





I called my cell phone and the number that showed up was 843-916-4534. I called it back and the pay phone did not ring. On my cell phone, it rang once and then emitted a loud screeching beep... kind of like a fax machine. I looked for cameras outside but I didn't see any. They may have them but if they do, they are hidden.


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Cujenn81, Thank you so much for doing that...:yourock:
 
JulesInVA said:
"It is not clear who Sidney Moorer was with at 1:35 a.m. Dec. 18 when he made the call from a payphone on 10th Avenue North in Myrtle Beach to Elvis. The young woman was at home after having been on a date that night..."

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy

Does this mean they're sure he was with someone, just not whom?


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My guess is they don't know if he was with anyone...well maybe LE does, but media doesn't, IMO.
 
I wonder if LE knows where SM's phone was during those last calls? It doesn't mention anything except for HE's location at PTL. But they knew SM and TM's phones were at their house for the 3:18 call? Did they both turn their phones off? Could LE be with holding that info?
 
I believe that Heather's mobile provided was T-Mobile. When you do a usage search, the calls appear in the time zone of the call, which is obviously eastern time zone. However, the texts show in the time zone of T-Mobile headquarters which is located in pacific time zone. This could be the reason why the time line was off and the words around 6am are being used. If she sent a text at 3:17, it would show on her phone records as being sent at 6:17am. This is not commonly known information and can be confusing.
 
JulesInVA said:
"It is not clear who Sidney Moorer was with at 1:35 a.m. Dec. 18 when he made the call from a payphone on 10th Avenue North in Myrtle Beach to Elvis. The young woman was at home after having been on a date that night..."

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy

Does this mean they're sure he was with someone, just not whom?


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I guess I must have missed something. I understand they can confirm the payphone number and location, if the number showed up on Heather's phone...however, I still don't understand how they knew it was sm calling her..do they have video of him standing in the phone booth at that time??? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
Clear Water said:
I believe that Heather's mobile provided was T-Mobile. When you do a usage search, the calls appear in the time zone of the call, which is obviously eastern time zone. However, the texts show in the time zone of T-Mobile headquarters which is located in pacific time zone. This could be the reason why the time line was off and the words around 6am are being used. If she sent a text at 3:17, it would show on her phone records as being sent at 6:17am. This is not commonly known information and can be confusing.
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If she sent texts at 3:17am it would show up as 12:17am not 6:17am. You're moving the wrong way with your time zones.
 
Missouri Granny said:
I guess I must have missed something. I understand they can confirm the payphone number and location, if the number showed up on Heather's phone...however, I still don't understand how they knew it was sm calling her..do they have video of him standing in the phone booth at that time??? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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That's exactly what I'm speculating about, MO Granny. :) I don't think we know how they knew it was SM who called.

Either they "know" because one of them confessed to it, or they have him on camera, OR because HRE called her roommate and said he'd just called her, they're pretty sure this is the call. Taking the article to mean, "we know he was with someone," is just wishful thinking on my part, hoping they have surveillance video of the call.


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JulesInVA said:
"It is not clear who Sidney Moorer was with at 1:35 a.m. Dec. 18 when he made the call from a payphone on 10th Avenue North in Myrtle Beach to Elvis. The young woman was at home after having been on a date that night..."

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy

Does this mean they're sure he was with someone, just not whom?


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The article says matter of factly the Ms both were home at Heather's 3:17 call that was answered, as if there is some proof they were both there, and if that's the case, then maybe there's proof specifically when someone next left the home and specifically who, as in who and what vehicle left (as in going the landing). Trying to think of ways you know someone is home- eye witness, camera sees them coming/going, proof the person was on the phone or online- anyway, the article suggests LE knows for certain they were both home when that call was answered.
 
Catlady2 said:
That sounds to me it was definitive. Someone suggested it was thrown into the water and that would have been the same as smashing it. I know they used sonar and it was a sparkly pink but after 2 months maybe sediment had covered it over. It Would be hard to locate a phone in a boggy marsh/river area.

The payphone not ringing could mean sm was standing there waiting for her call but that's just silly to me. Sm would've called her before going back home. What is more likely to me is:
Sm missed her called her and said wanted leave tm. She kinda played it cool like well I'm moving on but I wish you the best. She thinks about it and has second thoughts. (Sm may have asked her to run away with him) she calls payphone no answer. She calls him. Sm is handcuffed to the bed and tm is passed out. The phone wakes her up and she starts drilling sm. You tell her to meet you at ptl!! Or it could've been planned from sm's call from the payphone for Heather to meet sm at ptl. I have a hard time thinking sm Knew tm was going to kill her. Maybe he agree to let tm beat her up? I mean she punched Heather at walmart and Heather didn't go to the cops maybe she wanted to do that again. Maybe tm promised everything would go back to normal and she'd quit drinking if sm got rid of her. One thing for sure, she Hated Heather enough to kill her. Imo
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I have thought about this too, even thought TM could have had SM call her and said if she calls back that's it, she's done.
 
rtjedarling said:
The article says matter of factly the Ms both were home at Heather's 3:17 call that was answered, as if there is some proof they were both there, and if that's the case, then maybe there's proof specifically when someone next left the home and specifically who, as in who and what vehicle left (as in going the landing). Trying to think of ways you know someone is home- eye witness, camera sees them coming/going, proof the person was on the phone or online- anyway, the article suggests LE knows for certain they were both home when that call was answered.
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Ugh, thanks for this. If they were really both home at 3:17, that blows my whole theory away. I was picturing that call as maybe being between TM and HRE, with SM already in place at PTL and lying in wait when HRE arrived. Thought maybe he used HRE's phone to call TM, then TM picked him up. That would explain why the truck was seen heading home so quickly after HRE phone data ended at 3:41. But if SM was really home at 3:17, I can't see how he would have made it to PTL on foot in time.

I am so confused as to how murder took place in 3 mins or whatever it is. And when the H did they have time for marital relations in a car?


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I having a very hard time trying to figure out why Heather would even call the payphone back after all that time had elapsed...did she think he would just be standing there waiting for her to return a call to him???? That just sounds a little absurd to me....I am starting to think something happened after she talked to her roommate...perhaps tm showed up at Heather's apartment and tm possible made those calls from Heather's phone to make it look like Heather was the one calling them...I don't know...something just isn't settling right with me, the voice of reason says something else has happened in this time frame, and perhaps LE knows but is just not sharing...and that's OK...we don't have to know what they know, as long as they know enough to get a conviction for this awful crime. WHERE'S HEATHER!!!!
 
"At 2:29 a.m. , she called the payphone back, but no one answered. Elvis, who was still at her home, then called Sidney Moorer’s cell phone at 3:16 a.m. and again a minute later. During that call, someone answered the phone and there was a 4:15 minute conversation.

Both Tammy and Sidney Moorer were at their home with the cell phone and Elvis was at her home, Elder said. But based on that conversation, Elvis got in her car and drove to the boat landing, Elder told the court.

At 3:38 a.m. , Elvis’ phone records show her phone was at the boat landing. From there, she called Sidney Moorer’s phone. She called it three more times a minute later, no answer.

At 3:41 a.m. Elvis’ phone stops sending data signals to cell phone towers or to a GPS backup connected to a Google account, Elder said."

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/03/18/4104390/testimony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html

I have highlighted the comment because how would they know what the conversation was, unless it was a text, but yet it states "someone answered the phone".....
(this is all just very confusing and crazy, IMO)
 
Yes LE withholds information. We will not be privy to any info until there's some kind of hearing or when the trial starts OR if any legal document happens to be released and that document contains information.

The wording of the articles is a reporter's interpretation. It might not be exact.

The wording of the probable cause or arrest warrants are not necessarily precise -- it's LE's best guess at the time the document was written. The information could change based on what they learn and gather as time goes on. The documents like the warrants will not change.

Taking either as gospel and analyzing each word at this stage and outside the context of a trial will only serve to confuse and twist the speculatator (my own made up word) into a pretzel.

Could it mean.... <this> yes or maybe no.
Could it mean... <that> yes or maybe no.
Could it mean... <something slightly different> yes or maybe no.
Does LE know more than we do? yes, always.
Will LE tell us what all they know? no, never.
Does that mean the state doesn't have a case? No, it means the public will not learn the details until a trial.

And, we are just members of the public.



 
Missouri Granny said:
I having a very hard time trying to figure out why Heather would even call the payphone back after all that time had elapsed...did she think he would just be standing there waiting for her to return a call to him???? That just sounds a little absurd to me....I am starting to think something happened after she talked to her roommate...perhaps tm showed up at Heather's apartment and tm possible made those calls from Heather's phone to make it look like Heather was the one calling them...I don't know...something just isn't settling right with me, the voice of reason says something else has happened in this time frame, and perhaps LE knows but is just not sharing...and that's OK...we don't have to know what they know, as long as they know enough to get a conviction for this awful crime. WHERE'S HEATHER!!!!
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there could be such a scenario, maybe SM said he was coming over to her apt during the gas station call and Heather was waiting and then called the # back, maybe someone else is involved and they went to Heather's apt, or were dropped off by SM/TM or both ot them and the person drove Heather's car to PTL or got her to drive to PTL, or maybe someone else lay in wait for Heather at PTL. If someone else was involved then the stupid M's should have never left the house that night, unless it was SM going to check on her at PTL and then hurrying back least he too should get the same fate. Now I see how writers come up with plots- but plausible- truth is very often stranger than fiction.
 
Madeleine74 said:
Yes LE withholds information. We will not be privy to any info until there's some kind of hearing or when the trial starts OR if any legal document happens to be released and that document contains information.

The wording of the articles is a reporter's interpretation. It might not be exact.

The wording of the probable cause or arrest warrants are not necessarily precise -- it's LE's best guess at the time the document was written. The information could change based on what they learn and gather as time goes on. The documents like the warrants will not change.

Taking either as gospel and analyzing each word at this stage and outside the context of a trial will only serve to confuse and twist the speculatator (my own made up word) into a pretzel.

Could it mean.... <this> yes or maybe no.
Could it mean... <that> yes or maybe no.
Could it mean... <something slightly different> yes or maybe no.
Does LE know more than we do? yes, always.
Will LE tell us what all they know? no, never.
Does that mean the state doesn't have a case? No, it means the public will not learn the details until a trial.

And, we are just members of the public.
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You have just summed up EVERY single case I have followed here
 
Missouri Granny said:
I having a very hard time trying to figure out why Heather would even call the payphone back after all that time had elapsed...did she think he would just be standing there waiting for her to return a call to him???? That just sounds a little absurd to me....I am starting to think something happened after she talked to her roommate...perhaps tm showed up at Heather's apartment and tm possible made those calls from Heather's phone to make it look like Heather was the one calling them...I don't know...something just isn't settling right with me, the voice of reason says something else has happened in this time frame, and perhaps LE knows but is just not sharing...and that's OK...we don't have to know what they know, as long as they know enough to get a conviction for this awful crime. WHERE'S HEATHER!!!!
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We don't know if Heather knew for sure the call she was getting was from a payphone. She may not have realized it or maybe she did know but just hit "call" on the last number that called her.

We'll never know what LE knows because we're not LE and we're not working in the Solicitor's office. There will absolutely be pieces that are unknown. Maybe some of the pieces will never be known. Fortunately a conviction can be obtained in most cases even when there are some missing pieces.
 
Lovejac said:
You have just summed up EVERY single case I have followed here
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That sums up every case I've followed anywhere, not just on WS. It's the way it always has been and the way it will always be.
 
Lovejac said:
You have just summed up EVERY single case I have followed here
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all we can do is speculate around what we are provided and what we dig up about those involved- but it is great brain exercise. I just have to try not to do in exclusion of other exercise, which I have been doing to avoid other exercise and likely will continue- oh well!
 
if I had to write a lifetime movie out of the bare bones of this case....it would start with the breakup of SM and HE shortly after TM got wind of their affair. I think she succeeded in scaring the Beejesus out of both of them...with threats of violence toward Heather on one hand and threats of murder/suicide on the other.

TM wins.

But her drinking, always a problem, escalates. In drunken rages, she continues to extract more promises and punishment out of SE...the handcuffing, the surrendering of his phone, trailing him to work. When sober, she is a pitiful wreck. SE swings between resentment for her emasculation of him with her demands....and guilt when she is sobbing and sober.

They take off on a "therapeutic" family vacation but, (in my movie script) TM is constantly online, stalking HE...and drinking and raging at SM. She cannot be placated. Night after night, this is endured by all...with no relief in sight. Any attractiveness about TM is lost in her drunken raging behavior.

Once home, drinking and raging continue to alternate with sobbing ploys for sympathy. That night, drunk again...she makes a new demand. She wants SM. to give her a specific type of sex in the exact places where he had been with Heather. And she wants to photograph him doing this and send them to HE.

Meanwhile HE is on her date and sees one of these abominations...switches off her phone and tells the date it was her Dad.

Finally SM has had enough. He walks on on a drunken TM and walks to the phone booth. He keeps calling until finally HE walks in the door...and not recognizing the phone number...picks up. He blurts out an apology for the sexts, and begs her to pick him up...he wants a divorce. He is afraid of his crazy drunlen wife! He wants HE! He needs help!

HE says no...calls her friend...she cries...but quickly regrets her negative decision. She is afraid of TM...but now she is afraid FOR SM. She tries calling him back...no answer.

After an hour of fretting, she calls the cell. On the second try, he answers. Come pick me up...I'm leaving now. I'm walking to the boat landing.

TM tells him...you don't need to walk...I want you out...I will drive you. She can have your sorry a$$. Good riddance.

She drives slowly over there because she does not want a DUI. She is berating him, raging. But unbeknownst to SM...she has her gun. She pulls in to the landing.

HE is phoning to see where SM is. She gets out of her car in her impatience. Suddenly she sees the car. Puzzled she walks over to the drivers side.

TM stops the car...rolls down the window...shoots her point blank. And all 5'9" 200+ pounds of her....gets out...throws a limp or lifeless HE in the truck and peels out.

SM helps with the coverup. She convinces him that this is really all HIS fault. She threatens to kill herself and the kids.

And here we are...
 
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