The Ramseys are Cleared

[angelwngs]

Common sense says you are correct wenchie.

A little tidbit I learned about the case but I can't say from what source...

According to this source (not a law enforcement source but someone I would trust) there were other items of JonBenet's in the basement with her. A few of her favorite things.

I hate it when people quote sources but won't back it up by naming the source. People like that should be flogged...except me

It is someone I trust but I can't say for sure if it is true.

Now, if true, what kind of "inturder" would take the time to do this as well as everything else?

I think the jewelry on JBR was also probably staged. I would love to know what jewelry if any she had at the White's party.

 

[Adalena935]

Common sense says you are correct wenchie.

A little tidbit I learned about the case but I can't say from what source...

According to this source (not a law enforcement source but someone I would trust) there were other items of JonBenet's in the basement with her. A few of her favorite things.

I hate it when people quote sources but won't back it up by naming the source. People like that should be flogged...except me

It is someone I trust but I can't say for sure if it is true.

Now, if true, what kind of "inturder" would take the time to do this as well as everything else?

Someone who's been stalking the family enough to know like my stalker knew intimate details of my personal life a law enforcement officer; yet had no obvious connection to me (other than he had access to my home no one was aware). If he had murdered me no one would've known who he was, either.

They would've most likely suspected the most likely target; my husband or my sons who happened to live with me. surprise surprise

If it was items from her bedroom maybe he asked her or she told him. The Smart girls never let out a peep when their crazy as a loon entered their home for malice. And no one knew him either. Plenty of folks thought their father was the criminal in that case, too.

What kind of intruder? How many kinds are there? I could break & enter my neighbors homes tonite if I decided to or drive 200 miles to do that same crime. There is nothing to stop me or anyone from murdering anyone they please.

The manson family did it. They broke into people's homes just to snoop around. regularly.

Who knew?

O wait, in that case they thought the hubby was guilty of wrongdoing too.

 

[trixie]

The case has never been closed. The DA and the other DA's office didn't spoof the lab tests. A person would have to believe so many people in so many dif professions in so many dif agencies are all conspiring to lie about everything. ETA: And all news agencies lying with them.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16833682/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

I don't know what that means in relation to my post. Maybe I'm just getting burned out but I don't think I said anyone was lying? The DNA may be transfer from the underwear. That needs to be looked into. How it got where it was found. Another DA might want to do that. I think I said re-open because I heard someone today on Nancy Graces show say that. I think they and I meant re-investigate. I know it hasn't been closed, I'm in burn-out mode. Time to take a break!

 

[rosario_c]

Was Burke's DNA taken? Or tested since he was a minor at the time of the crime?

 

[wenchie]

Again I ask: Why wasn't Patsy running around turning the house upside down, looking for JonBenet?

What mother wouldn't be.....ransom note or not?

What mother could just sit there in a chair for hours while her daughter is missing.......and not even in the same room where the phone where the alleged kidnappers would be calling on?


Patsy was soooooo busy separating herself from the crime that she actually put herself right in the middle of it by her actions.

 

[Adalena935]

I don't know what that means in relation to my post. Maybe I'm just getting burned out but I don't think I said anyone was lying? The DNA may be transfer from the underwear. That needs to be looked into. How it got where it was found. Another DA might want to do that. I think I said re-open because I heard someone today on Nancy Graces show say that. I think they and I meant re-investigate. I know it hasn't been closed, I'm in burn-out mode. Time to take a break!

This DA did contact another agency. It's in the link I posted. No, you didn't say lying. I did. I said anyone would have to believe all these people are all lying about the dna results released to the public today. what this thread is addressing. That breaking news today.

 

[SeekingJana]

I wanted to say that I am glad that we are able to discuss this case, which has haunted so many of us for 12 LONG years, almost.

Although many of us have differing viewpoints and opposing theories, I applaud our respect for each other and ability to care for each other while disagreeing about such an emotionally- laden case.

That's all. Carry on.
Love you all,
:blowkiss:
Maria

 

[Adalena935]

Again I ask: Why wasn't Patsy running around turning the house upside down, looking for JonBenet?

What mother wouldn't be.....ransom note or not?

What mother could just sit there in a chair for hours while her daughter is missing.......and not even in the same room where the phone where the alleged kidnappers would be calling on?


Patsy was soooooo busy separating herself from the crime that she actually put herself right in the middle of it by her actions.

Mothers of missing children sitting in chairs is not evidence. DNA in 3 dif locations on 2 dif garments on the dead child's body is.

 

[Chanler]

Your first answer makes sense to me, that after JonBenet, the molester became inactive. I was also wondering if there was a "how can I top this" aspect to it.

Thanks for your note, Peculiar Petunia. I think that sex thrill killers sometimes become inactive (or very, very careful). I think that both BTK and the Green River Killer went dark for so long that people thought that they were dead. The "how can I top this" strikes a resonant chord, I think: Apparently, BTK savored memories from his "best" kills and he, like many of these guys, collected material on his crimes.

 

[BBB167893]

Your first answer makes sense to me, that after JonBenet, the molester became inactive. I was also wondering if there was a "how can I top this" aspect to it.

No way. Criminals like that don't just stop. They can't. They can't help themselves. In my home state of Vermont, they just buried a 12-year-old girl who was killed by a person like this who SHOULD have still been in prison.

Thank you for that clarification. (Putting my Super Dave designer 'rose colored glasses' firmly back into place now...with EVEN MORE respect for your opinion than before...if that is possible.)

A sincere "Thank You" for your reply.

You're welcome. I just thought everyone knew.

 

[Chanler]

Was Burke's DNA taken? Or tested since he was a minor at the time of the crime?

According to several reports, it was.

 

[Adalena935]

I read the story about the first case DNA was used on in human history. I understand how absolutely accurate it is. Much moreso than fingerprint evidence which has been widely accepted as evidence in criminal prosecution for a long time.

We release people from Death Row based on it.

 

[Chanler]

No way. Criminals like that don't just stop. They can't. They can't help themselves. In my home state of Vermont, they just buried a 12-year-old girl who was killed by a person like this who SHOULD have still been in prison.

Well, if the Ramseys were pedophile murderers, they apparently stopped.

 

[Tricia]

Isn't that something?

Some crazy guy is talking about his fantasies about Jonbenet - and John Ramsey doesn't even say that hearing about it makes him want to vomit!

Now think about what Marc Klaas would do if someone talked like Karr did about his daughter.
There aren't enough strong men in the world that could hold him back from getting at the creep.

John Ramsey acts like it's no big deal...just another day in RamseyLand

 

[Adalena935]

I believe murderers do whatever they want to do. Green River, BTK and the Manson family is ample evidence of that. The FBI profilers have often said these killers never just stop. After they apprehended BTK they admitted they were wrong about that assessment. Gary Ridgeway had no choice for 22 years the police had their eyes close on him. They had his DNA yet the science wasn't perfected to the point it later became. FBI admitted BTK neutralized all their theories about serial killers. Maybe that's why they couldn't figure out who he was for so many decades? Their set notion (their yardstick as it were) was faulty.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, if the Ramseys were pedophile murderers, they apparently stopped.

I never claimed they were, Chanler. That's my point.

 

[trixie]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I want to see where the DNA from the panties matches the DNA on the long johns. Then I'd like to see the coroner provide DNA samples to be sure that it wasn't left by him as he undressed the body and handled the clothing.
And yes, let's apply the "touch DNA test" to the cord, tape, spoon, flashlight.

There are still a few things that should give us pause now...IMHO, PR wrote the ransom note- I've seen those exemplars. She wrote that note.
And the pineapple. Either they lied about the pineapple or they are covering for someone. For JBR to have sat and eaten the pineapple with someone- it was someone she knew. If she had snacked with her brother and the parents were unaware of it, then why wouldn't her brother say so? He is over 21 now. Old enough to know that the pineapple in his sister's stomach and the fact that his parents denied feeding it to her was a major issue in this case. However he was at age 9-10, Asbergers's or just an immanture kid, he went to college and should have the sense to speak up about it now.

Also, Lacy has "exonerated" the IMMEDIATE family. The three Rs that were in the house that night. But what about some family members that COULD have been there and have denied it? JAR? Grandpa?

And one last thing- this is Lacy- a Hunter legacy. They've been on the R side for 12 years. They threw enough roadblocks in front of this investigation from day 1 to have been charged with obstruction of justice themselves.
Remember the Karr fiasco and Lacy at that press conference?
Let's take this all with a grain of salt until that DNA actually matches a PERSON.
I think it's very telling that the ONE thing that could go a long way to solve the case: testing the garrote itself- hasn't been done.

 

[angelwngs]

Again I ask: Why wasn't Patsy running around turning the house upside down, looking for JonBenet?

What mother wouldn't be.....ransom note or not?

What mother could just sit there in a chair for hours while her daughter is missing.......and not even in the same room where the phone where the alleged kidnappers would be calling on?


Patsy was soooooo busy separating herself from the crime that she actually put herself right in the middle of it by her actions.

At first, I blamed this emotional challenged aspect of PR's behavior on sedatives or her possibly regularly prescribed antidepressants. Later, I decided it was just part of her 'performing' personality. Life seemed to be a day-to-day on stage performance for her, IMO. Finally, I came to terms with the real probablility that she had most likely been responsible for what had happened to her daughter and was infact center stage in the most important performance of her life. (IMO)

What relatively sane mother would take the time to call friends when her daughter was genuinely missing with a ransom note telling her so? There are so many things that PR did which make no sense whatsoever if you appear to view her as a relatively sane mother in this situation.

So at worst, IMO, she is still to blame. At best, she was totally emotionally detached, raving mad and totally "abbie-normal" in relation to how a normal mother would have reacted....IMO.

 

[monkalup]

Everyone should realize that so many people doubted the parents because many didn't believe someone could just come in their house in the middle of the night, undetected.

But since then, we've seen two high profile case, no three, where this very thing happened. Elizabeth Smart, Danielle VanDam, and the one in Florida, I believe.

I think this is good evidence and I think it clears the parents.

Now, where's the perp? Who is it? Back to square one, IMO.

JMHO
fran

I completely agree...with everything you just said.

 

[wenchie]

Mothers of missing children sitting in chairs is not evidence.

I happen to think that the mother sitting in a chair is evidence that she knows exactly where her daughter's body is, and doesn't want to be the one to find her.