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Thank you so much. That's much more info than I've been able to find before.
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Thank you so much. That's much more info than I've been able to find before.
Interesting. I just read through all of the comments. Seeing that I'm new to these forums, it's a bit confusing and hard to understand some of the lingo and references being made. From what I gathered (and I may be wrong) is that people believe this LISK is responsible for just about every female escort who's found from westchester to Montauk. Not to start a debate but because tattoos are such a common thing nowadays I don't think there's any connection to the fact that the girls had tattoos. I'm referring to GB4. i personally do not think one killer is responsible for ALL of those murders. The GB4 stand out to me because they were all white and of similar build and height. I believe that's because the person who killed them, is strictly into Caucasian women. The other victims are different races and it doesn't fit. The only other possible victim I believe is Jessica Taylor which could've been his first kill. He didn't know how to dispose of her body and so be cut her up and dispersed her body parts. When he went years without being caught he realized it wasn't necessary for him to go through all of that trouble and make a huge mess. He found the perfect dumping ground and so he resumed killing with the GB4.
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I'm not following your logic. Jessica Taylor was dumped very close to Jane Doe 2000, and dismembered in a similar way. Both of them were disposed of in Manorville AND along OP. Two separate killers dumping in the same spot on Manorville AND OP? That is a stretch. There was also a male dumped with JD 2000 and another male dumped near to the JT dump site in 2003 found in November.
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The G4 span 3 years 2007 to 2010. During the time there were victims on LI who were dismembered. Tanya Rush, Cherries from 2006. We also don't know when some of the dismembered remains along OP are from. And honestly, I don't think we know for sure that some of the G4 weren't dismembered.
I thought I covered all ground when I said separate killer/killers. Maybe one person killed Jessica Taylor and Jane Doe and someone else disposed of the GB4. I thought one of those two were found in Fire Island in a trash can or something???? Maybe I'm wrong. I also said that I believe LISK was responsible for the GB4 and POSSIBLY Jessica Taylor. I did not realize her and Jane Doe 2000 were found in similar places. My mistake. I do not know much about the Unidentified victims in this case because as unidentifieds, they don't contribute much investigative value aside from where they were found and possibly how they were killed and disposed of. None of that will help catch LISK. I still stand by what I believe as far as the GB4 being exclusive to one killer.
So maybe there are two killers and no, I don't find it too hard to believe that two separate killers used the ocean parkway as a dump site.
Also, I am pretty sure I remember hearing that the GB4 were found almost entirely intact. They may have been missing a few things here and there that could've been carried off by wildlife. There are a bunch of in depth interviews with Dormer on YouTube. specifically, there's one where he sits down with a former colleague who now runs a security company called Arrow security. Also, I believe two local stations, News 12 and Fios 11 or 1 did their own special reports on the case. I do believe that it's insinuated in most of the reports that gb4 were found as whole bodies and then they found "pieces" of remains elsewhere.
What is your theory as to why, if they are all the same killer, why did he switch up his disposal method suddenly?
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He doesn't switch up his disposal method suddenly. if you go back and look, he's always varied his disposal method. In 2000 he dumps a dismembered Jane with a "whole" strangled John. Then does the same with JT and the male in 2003. He's dismembering Peaches in 97 and FI jane Doe 1996 before that. Sometimes he dismembers a victim and sometimes he dumps them whole. There is no sudden change. The females were being dismembered and the males weren't but even if the G4 weren't dismembered, there is Cherries dismembered 2006 and Tanya Rush 2008. And we don't know when the dismembered remains were dumped along OP like the mother, or when the asian male was dumped. It's possible the dismembering has something to do with the potential of IDing the victim
http://nypost.com/2011/04/09/2nd-man-partied-with-missing-li-hooker/
I've always wondered how this one article that has no factual support, and flies in the face of statements made by people known to have been there, and statements made by LE investigating the case, became absolute proof that there was someone besides JB, MP and SG at JB's home that night/early morning.
I've always wondered how this one article that has no factual support, and flies in the face of statements made by people known to have been there, and statements made by LE investigating the case, became absolute proof that there was someone besides JB, MP and SG at JB's home that night/early morning.
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Not factual? Were you there? Why would you believe anything MP or JB says? And why would you believe anything LE says?
It's the NY post, they are a sleezy newspaper in my eyes. The National Enquierer of all the NY papers. Their articles read like a tabloid. They are just out to make headlines and stir up controversy. They are not the best source for truth in my opinion. Why wound this "guy" warn his mother yet no newspapers seem to make ANY mention of his existence. The post is a rag. They will write anything to sell papers.
Where is there evidence that the same person is responsible for every dead hooker found from Montauk to Manhattan and beyond? Again, Long Island and New York City especially, is one of the most densly populated areas in the country. Over 26,000 people per square mile (Manhattan) and 5,402 people per square Mile on Long Island. It's the most densly populated island in the United States! You think ONE person is responsible for EVERY death from Mammorneck, to NYC, all the five Burroughs and on Long Island? That's INSANE! I have already pointed out to you how two serial killers and possibly a third, were active at the very same time on Long Island. That's where we differ here. I don't think the peaches, cherries and Tanya Rush were killed by the same killer as the GB4. That would make for one sloppy serial killer! I think whom ever dumped the GB4 bodies on the ocean parkway was far too careful to leave body parts scattered about and different disposal methods.
So you are telling me that you don't see ANY differences in their cases whatsoever? The fact that the GB4 all shared similar physical characteristics, all advertised on Craigslist, all went missing between Memorial Day and Labor Day, all were found as whole bodies (as far as we know), all wrapped in burlap, all left without phones and other safety measures in place, and all are white, is the same as various raced women, disposed of in varying ways, dismembered, etc, etc, ??? The fact of the matter is, sex workers turn up dead or missing all of the time, for various reasons. Mafia and other gangs, pimps, boyfriends, etc could be responsible for any one of them. Joel Rifkin disposed of his victims in a very similar fashion. So did Robert Shulman. His victims were all beaten and dismembered.
I believe it is more likely that SG is a victim of the same person who killed the GB4 than it is that the others you have mentioned, (aside from Jane doe and Jessica Taylor) are all victims of the same person. I do believe their are very distinct differences in the GB4 vs any of the other mentioned victims. Even those found off the ocean parkway. Although it scares the bejesus out of me, there may be two active serial killers on the loose right now.
There are no supporting facts in the article, and there was never any follow up or repeat of anything stated in the article.
No, I wasn't there.
Every single thing that MP and JB said that we've heard, and probably a bunch we've never heard, has been gone over by LE with a fine tooth comb, and compared to phone records etc. to confirm it was truthful. If it wasn't, LE would have been all over the discrepancy to see why it happened.
I believe LEO's in general because like any other cross section of society the good parts out number the bad parts. I don't need to convince myself there's some far reaching conspiracy occurring just to support an otherwise improbable theory I have about these or any other crimes.
Perfectly said. This is one of the most high profile cases that the island has seen. We all complain that they aren't moving in fast enough but we have to have faith that they thoroughly investigated the people involved in the night that SG disappeared. They have stated that they ruled out everyone involved. They're very tight lipped about this case because it's high profile and they don't want to jeopardize it.
Well there you have it!
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Every dead hooker on LI? You mean Jessica Taylor, G4 and Tanya Rush? None of the other bodies belong to "hookers". They are all unidentified. You guys claim the post isn't credible and the drifter story isn't factual. Great, good for you. Go pick and choose what news sources you believe and decide are credible and which ones aren't. If the drifter story is made up, so are all the other post article then...must be..you guys are genius sleuths. The NYPD POI, desk duty, SI Cop, all ******** right? Must be! It's a newspaper that mcme and notorious don't find credible! LOL! The suspect related to kim raffo's stay on LI that came out THE DAY BEFORE THE DRIFTER STORY BROKE...must be complete ********...not factual because you decided so....LOL...
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There are no supporting facts in the article? What does that mean? There was never any follow up...nope...wonder why. But various individuals have been identified as the drifter. One wrote a whole book. Another was ID'd as a tugboat cap by one of our members. When has LE ever commented on the drifter? They don't comment about hardly anything at all, except to say Shannan was hysterical and drowned herself in a marsh. Nothing they say has any value to you because they have no reason to release information or tell the truth. You have absolutely NO EVIDENCE at all the drifter wasn't there that night, unlike me...who has a print source with a quote from the drifter's mother...
I don't have evidence a drifter wasn't there, I also don't have evidence the easter bunny wasn't there, yet people say he visits homes around that time of year, soooo.....
If there was any credible truth to the story, some other news source would have also mentioned it. As far as people taking an opportunity to make money, we all know how that works.
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Don't stress Lindsay..... your fighting the good fight.
Have tried on numerous occasions to connect on the right thread.........NO sorry I didn't screen shot the FB pics from the seaplane ...from the brothers account before he deleted them....so now wish I did..Why did he delete those pics???.... But on my children's lives - they existed!!!.....shots right over the area Shannan was found. What it means...if anything..I don't know.
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Have tried on numerous occasions to connect on the right thread.........NO sorry I didn't screen shot the FB pics from the seaplane ...from the brothers account before he deleted them....so now wish I did..Why did he delete those pics???.... But on my children's lives - they existed!!!.....shots right over the area Shannan was found. What it means...if anything..I don't know.
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Juggle look at seaslug44 seaplane photos! Look like bittrolff's?
mcme, there are hardly any news reports about this case, no public interest, the post is a dirty rag blah blah
mcme, there are hardly any news reports about this case, no public interest, the post is a dirty rag blah blah
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That's interesting Lindsay. I was away for a few years when the Bittrolff news came to light. had no idea that he had seaplane photos like/similar to what seaslug44 posted. I couldn't find the thread for awhile after it had been moved to the PL. I thought maybe it was shut down due to all the bickering at the time. Wonder what ever happened to that poster?
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