As I understand it only one spot on the ground floor in that large garage was scanned. Kathee, correct me if I am wrong on that. If the entire ground floor had been scanned and only that one spot produced any anomalies then I might feel a little bit differently. But what if the entire ground floor was scanned and produced maybe 4-5-6 different spots or more that showed anomalies; would you feel any differently then? The more spots that produce anomalies the more it would tend to discredit the theory that the 3MW are buried under the ramp, and support the idea that it is likely just tree roots. And we simply don't know how many more anomalies that we might find there by scanning the entire ground floor.
The entire parking garage was scanned the first time. I was only interested in the area under the ramp when Norland did the second scan as that is the ONLY place in the garage where there were anomalies.
The area that became the paking garage was totally excavated as it had been a dump for years. The took out t.v.'s, washers, etc. and then backfilled it.
I happened onto your post from 2009 regarding Gerald Carnahan and wanted to ask if you would consider to fleshing this out about him. I can't say I had heard or read this (or had forgotten) before but it in no way surprises me. I find myself thinking he is climbing up the suspect list now that I am more intrigued than ever over the grave robbing business. There may be a connection of sorts.
Thank you so much. Do you recall if that was on the way to Sparta or did it go west from Nixa toward Clever? As I recall, Carnahan was dark haired and it is debatable whether he could be referred to as stocky at that time although he is now. In any event that is quite interesting. Thanks again!I apologize for taking so long to reply. It has been so long I no longer remember all of the specifics, but I believe I heard three different stories of women being followed while driving. One did describe the same kind of truck Carnahan drove at the time Jackie was found murdered. The truck with a stocky dark-haired man followed her down 14, then to a side road and on to her home. She pulled into the driveway, and the truck came in right behind her. She opened the garage door and ran in there and called family to help her. He didn't try to force himself into the house and left before anyone got there. That was before 1990. I heard a few more stories along that line in the mid 1990's as well.
I apologize for taking so long to reply. It has been so long I no longer remember all of the specifics, but I believe I heard three different stories of women being followed while driving. One did describe the same kind of truck Carnahan drove at the time Jackie was found murdered. The truck with a stocky dark-haired man followed her down 14, then to a side road and on to her home. She pulled into the driveway, and the truck came in right behind her. She opened the garage door and ran in there and called family to help her. He didn't try to force himself into the house and left before anyone got there. That was before 1990. I heard a few more stories along that line in the mid 1990's as well.
Pretty sure that most of those details are covered somewhere in the threads, but the exact plan for the day has never been discussed, which would shed light on things.Bystander, I have many of the same questions, as well. Some of the statements in the media I take with a grain of salt because they are coming through a third party. But I do not get why two kids a day out of high school would let themselves into someone else's house, for any reason. And especiallyif the relationship was not super close.
Well the relationship was closer than the media made it sound apparently, these girls had known each other all there lives. Walking into each others houses especially if you have plans for the day is not uncommon. You ever knock and open the door? hello? Hello? you ready yet? I know people in that group of friends and they did not find this unsual.
And answering the phone? Moving things around? Unheard of. We've been over this ground and people disagreed with me before. It's also worth noting that LE has never indicated they were looking at Janelle and her boyfriend. But I've never been comfortable with the girls needing to leave Janelle's house Would you sleep on a pallet or drive 10 minutes and sleep on a waterbed?
with the clean-up of the broken globe, with Janelle and Mike going in, moving thngs, answering the phone, and then just going ahead to the water park. What was the hurry? Why not call the McCalls and then start looking around and making calls toother people? The cars were in the driveway--where could they have gone? Did they leave a note for Suzie and Stacy? My guess is that there is something about that whole situation that we don't know..
I couldn't agree more with the whole Janelle issue. It was said that the girls had already had a "Pallet" laid out for them in anticipation of them staying at the Kirby house.
Then they get there, and all of a sudden they're told there is really not enough room due to family staying at the house......Something that should have already been sorted out way way earlier.....especially if they had laid a "Pallet" out for the girls. I would say that If they went the to trouble of laying a "Pallet" out for the girls, than the whole family staying in the house was already known because they went a head an laid out a "Pallet" for the girls, knowing full well how much family they had in the house.
So long story short, I have always felt that whole story has some issues that need sorting out.
I also have a problem with Janelle and the way she reacted on the KOLR 10 interview tape. I watched the tape over and over and over until I was practically cross eyed. In summary, from what I have seen in the KOLR 10 interview tape, there is a lot of "Strange" and possibly "Telling" body movement, expressions, answers, small subtleties in facial expressions, tone....etc.
Also I find there actions the next morning out of place too. Going to Sherrill & Susie's house, which she had never been to, and just letting herself into the house....and then proceeding to walk all through the house. Seems far too familiar to me!
Then there is the call Jannelle takes from some obscene caller at the Levitt home that morning....or at some point.....But she doesn't remember what the guy said. It was not stated that she did not know what the obscene caller said.
Then there is Janis McCall listening to the message on the machine...."Accidentally Erasing" it......But yet she didn't "Remember" what the message said. She does not remember what someone elses message was? It was not obscene at so why would it be rellevent? She didnt remember after 18 years, I do not know if that refers to 1992.
I've always said that Grave Robbers provided the most logical motive. Graduation Night would have provided the opportunity.
Yes the graverobbers provide the most logical motive, and the most obvious motive. The very first place the police looked as a matter of fact and not one shred of evidence to prove that they were involved in this. They were able to pass polygraphs, were surveiled had alibis. In all these years no one has said they were told by one of them that they did this crime. I think that people forget that the grave robbing incident was three months before this crime. If the opportunity was needed to get the only person that could hurt them "Suzie" they could have done this at any time before that night. Why do it at her house? Eliminating Suzie didnt do anything for them, the pawn shop called the police with the evidence. Those charges were not gonna be dropped and were not. It is likely these guys had talked to attorneys and knew what to expect before this crime occurred.
People have definitely been killed for less. And if two young men are potentially looking at a lengthy stay in Prison.....of which NEITHER of them had ever been to prison.....its not too much of a stretch to say that they were in "Self Preservation Mode" so to speak. If they got rid of their presumed witnesses, then they won't have to spend god knows how much time in prison as some big buck's new cell mate toy.......get where I'm going with that.
I mean, all of the Grave Robbers had Crap for alibis if I'm correct.....right?
And.....two of the Grave Robbers flee out of state shortly after the women's disappearance.
If you thought you would be framed for a murder you didnt commit would you skip town? They were the only suspects on the board, innocent or not it did not matter at that point. I sense a fear
Plus you have one of the Genius's making a statement, "I hope those *****es are dead"
The disagreement with the officer would be interesting to hear, sounds as though he was pushed to anger somehow. If not you are correct a very stupid statement.
You also have Janelle's boyfriend Mike making some statement if I'm correct to the effect, "I hope they find those women before something bad happens to them".....strange.
Wrong guy, Reclas brother is who you are thinking of
Then you have Janelle crying her eyes out in the back of her boyfriend Mikes car after they can't locate the women....prior to she and Mike going to the water slide together.
I just fully feel that this case is not as far flung crazy as we all have learned to believe that it is.
Keep it Simple Stupid. It could have been just that simple if the crime scene hadn't been corrupted by everyone going traipsing through the house.....not messing with things....IE. erasing a answering machine message that might have had some pertinence to the case